Copout or not?

[xrayvision]

I think this episode was a huge copout and the "climax" was a joke. What a disgrace. I would rather have had Clark go to the Phantom Zone and get out next episode than see what I saw.

Please voice your opinions about Chloe showing up & pulling out the crystal.

[Polomontana]

Chloe had no choice.

In her mind she's saving Clark from Doomsday.

[Poyntz]

They are saving the blow out for the finale. Now if they copout on the finale then i'ld be more pissed.

I agree. Chloe feel's she's saving clark.

[O'Neill]

The whole episode was a joke. Chloe has crossed over to the dark side. The only one that has their head on right is Oliver.

[Night_Hawk90]

first off in what right does chloe have stealing clark's octagonal disk thats disgraceful
Secondly chloe taking crystal out and clark just standing there like a bump on the log i was like "why are you just standing there"
Than her reasoning for not allowing davis to be sent to the phantom zone pure b.s

[Cogito17]

I don't think it was a cop out necessarily, but it wasn't much of a fight either.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed that Chloe would play on Clark's desire to save everyone/ability to see good in others to prevent him from doing what needed to be done.

[Polomontana]

Nope, because Davis was about to take Clark to the Phantom Zone.

What if the PZ can't hold Davis? Kryptonite didn't hurt him.

Chloe did the right thing. She knows the only way to calm him down is her presence.

[clois-destiny-forever]

Not a copout, but it shouldn't have gone down the way it did at all. Chloe showing up was a major climax-killer.

[ClarkyBoy14]

They are saving the blow out for the finale. Now if they copout on the finale then i'ld be more p--sed.

I'm with you there.

[warriorrenegade]

I think this episode was a huge copout and the "climax" was a joke. What a disgrace. I would rather have had Clark go to the Phantom Zone and get out next episode than see what I saw.

Please voice your opinions about Chloe showing up & pulling out the crystal.


Completely agree. I have no clue what this episode was supposed to be about. But
Clark not killing Doomsday...I can get, but no putting him in the Phantom Zone cause he would feel guilty? WTH? It's the only logical choice for DD...other than killing him. I don't get this whole death wish Chloe is on either, it just boggles the mind. This is Chloe for godsakes. It's like she's changing from one episode to the next just to fit a particular storyline. It's laughable, it really is.

[Supsfan]

Yes Chloe showing up definantly was a huge letdown. Did we really need to see this to build up the fight for the last episode this season?

[rehana/chole]

agree 2 in her min chole belive she is saving clark .

[Ryan Kent]

Hasn't Chloe gotten bold- stealing the key, going to the Fortress, removing the portal crystal. She has really made herself at home at the Fortress.

[victory01]

agree 2 in her min chole belive she is saving clark .

That may be how she wants to justify it but then what was her dream at the beginning with the rose petals and kissing all about?

[aceofclubs]

Total cop out. Chloe shoulda kept her nose out of it. "I can finally save you" blah blah blah.

[hookem91]

only would have been a copout if we saw it through a crack in the door ;)

seriously, we still have 2 episodes left. o and i'm on chloe's side not oliver "lets kill EVERYONE" queen

[Ella]

Are you kidding me? The entire episode was amazing!!

[green_arrow_girl358]

it was okay but round one would have been awesome. only downside to that would be that they would have to top it in the finale

[rehana/chole]

agree 2 in her min dchole belive she is saving clark .

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That may be how she wants to justify it but then what was her dream at the beginning with the rose petals and kissing all about?
will like u said it was dream but i think it was nitemare if i rem rite she woke uo screaming, plus come on if davis was not dummy a hold lot of us would b saying hopw hot d sean was . , watch the end againg an listen 2 wat she say to clark na watch how she act bofore geting in d truck u seen that she doing all for clark

[super_j_man]

Chloe, Chloe, Chloe. tisk, tisk, tisk.............Is it just me or was everything that came out of her mouth in the fortress scene and onward complete CRAP! How is keeping Davis around and alive helping Clark?? I just don't see it. I actually really liked Clark in this episode and that's one of the reasons this epi was not a total wreck IMO. But Chloe, WTH?? I can understand not wanting Clark to kill Davis, but what was wrong with PZ?? Why did she have to go fall in love with that monster anyway?

[mty09]

This reminds of the season 5 premiere (Arrival) when Chloe came in when Clark was going to be (I think) Superman or at least get his training started lol She definitely came in on the wrong time lol. But hopefully they are saving the best for last, I hope this will be the best fight of the whole series! I hope its better than the Clark vs Lex showdown in S7.

[xrayvision]

I really can't believe they wasted the entire episode just to show that Chloe runs off with Davis. This episode to me had no point. You could have had Chloe & Davis running off take place offscreen before the episode began.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Lets just say; I wasn't pleased when she just entered.

[superspider02]

yea i dont feel its a copout they were just setting up the stage for the showdown in the finale. I do agree with you guys that having chloe stop clark from sending davis to the pz was wrong. I would have been interesting if clark successed in sending davis to pz but get stuck there again.

[Kschreck]

I think this episode was a huge copout and the "climax" was a joke. What a disgrace. I would rather have had Clark go to the Phantom Zone and get out next episode than see what I saw.

Please voice your opinions about Chloe showing up & pulling out the crystal.


Chloe stopped Clark from vanishing Doomsday to the phantom zone because Doomsday looks like a human. She has put the entire planet in jeopardy just to protect her new boy toy. I'll never forgive Chloe for this nor will I ever forgive the writers for what they did to Chloe this season. Maybe we will get some Chloe Doomsbabies next season as well!

[xrayvision]

yea i dont feel its a copout they were just setting up the stage for the showdown in the finale. I do agree with you guys that having chloe stop clark from sending davis to the pz was wrong. I would have been interesting if clark successed in sending davis to pz but get stuck there again.

It would have been nice getting a Clark vs. Davis fight in the Phantom Zone without their powers.

[ginnyfan]

*imagines Clark tossing Davis into the zone real quick while he's weakened by Chloe's presence*

[jpfort1957]

Chloe stopped Clark from vanishing Doomsday to the phantom zone because Doomsday looks like a human. She has put the entire planet in jeopardy just to protect her new boy toy. I'll never forgive Chloe for this nor will I ever forgive the writers for what they did to Chloe this season. Maybe we will get some Chloe Doomsbabies next season as well!

Chloe knows what Davis is. She even takes his trash out for him!!!!!!!! Now she is as guilty of his crimes as he is!!!!!!!!!!!

[chloesmygirl]

I'm sorry I love Chloe but if she had Clarks best interest at heart she wouldn't have stopped him from sending Davis to the PZ. I just did not like Chloe in this episode.

[LoisLaneJournalist]

i say this in another thread
but

i thought that Clark was the only one can use the crystals and Chloe removed the purple one!!?

Or im Wrong!?

Thats why Brainic trick CLark when he wanted to realese Zod cause only clark can use the FOS!! right?

[xrayvision]

I know. But perhaps she was able to remove it because of the state the FOS is in. Then again, it seemed to be in working shape for the Phantom Zone portal to open.

It was just too much of a plot device. That black crystal was gone after Solitude. I think it even disappeared since it was part of Brainiac and Brainiac completely disappeared (even his ship form).

[LoisLaneJournalist]

Yeah!! eVerything is COnfusing!!
iN inFamous the FOS was Dead!

and the porTal
OO im Confused!! LoL

[Smallville Vamp]

first off in what right does chloe have stealing clark's octagonal disk thats disgraceful
Secondly chloe taking crystal out and clark just standing there like a bump on the log i was like "why are you just standing there"
Than her reasoning for not allowing davis to be sent to the phantom zone pure b.s

ITA

I couldn't believe he just stood there and watched her! He didn't have to hurt her, just superspeed her way, finger pluck her in the head to knock her ass out(like he did Lois that time) AND FINISH TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS! :mad:

[Exedore]

The basic idea wasn't bad (Clark dealing with the question: is permanent imprisonment in what is essentially hell ok or not). With good writing it could have been fantastic and thought provoking. Instead we got Clark standing there doing nothing and Chloe commandeering the FOS as if it's the Talon or something. :/

[smallvillerocks45]

I was thought it was a really nice taste of what's to come. It's so funny, I was watching Clark and Davis throwing each other around, and it was the coolest thing ever... now, I can't wait for an actual smack down. It's going to be awesome!

[costas22]

xrayvision is right. This episode could have wrapped up in 20 minutes. But i was glad that they saved the big fight for the finale.

[SupermanRox]

Chloe showing up put a real kink in things.

[Theshadow129x]

not a copout. Chloe was saving Clark from himself. not just getting beat to death , but by damning someone just because he stop thinking they are beyond hope isnt what he 'is' about.

The thing is Superman would send someone to the phantom zone if he has to. Its not that he gives up on them, its that he figures its a solution compared to death. weird and nice that smallville is actually trying to show an alternative to this aspect of Superman.

[Kal-alien]

But the Fortress was created so Kryptonians could punish those that deserve punishment without Killing them. That is why it is there. It is where Davis should go. And He should go there willingly, If he's as adamant about being a good guy as he claims.

[Kcirtap41B]

I was so disappointed when the fight didn't happen. The beginning trash talk by Davis, the opening struggle, the typical "I'm taking you with me" line. It was all set up.
Then Chloe showed up. *sigh*
I still like the episode, but it was just such a hyped up scene to end so... blah.
Can't I just have a little fist flurries, then Chloe could show up? That's all I ask!

[Minela]

Yeah, I thought it was a copout, too. Not just when Chloe shows up but the whole battle. What was that? Two three shoves and that's it? Lots of talking and nobody did the walking. Pathetic. I want to see a real Clark vs. Davis showdown and a real Clark vs. Doomsday showdown for the finally.

[xrayvision]

I don't want Clark vs. Davis anymore. This was their opportunity to do that, and they royally screwed it up. If they waste any time in the finale with Clark vs. Davis, I'm really gonna be pissed. They had their chance and f'd it up pretty good. This was a waste of an episode. I would have rather seen Clark jumping into the Phantom Zone to overmatch himself in preparation for his fight with Doomsday in this episode. Instead we got a waste of an episode. A little shoving match and just a dud of an ending.

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But the Fortress was created so Kryptonians could punish those that deserve punishment without Killing them. That is why it is there. It is where Davis should go. And He should go there willingly, If he's as adamant about being a good guy as he claims.

I think you mean the Phantom Zone. And I totally agree. Clark was right about sending him there. The only one who said that Clark couldn't live with sending him there was Chloe---who never went there anyway. I'm pretty sure the physics of the PZ would apply to Davis as well & he wouldn't have any powers in there. Or be able to transform or resurrect himself.

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not a copout. Chloe was saving Clark from himself. not just getting beat to death , but by damning someone just because he stop thinking they are beyond hope isnt what he 'is' about.

The thing is Superman would send someone to the phantom zone if he has to. Its not that he gives up on them, its that he figures its a solution compared to death. weird and nice that smallville is actually trying to show an alternative to this aspect of Superman.

I disgree. Chloe wasn't saving anyone. Chloe has no idea of the Phantom Zone or why it was used by Jor-El. She's not Kryptonian. Clark is & knows why Jor-El used it. This is a prime example of Jor-El's warning to Clark for humans not to meddle in Kryptonian affairs. They don't understand and their thinking is flawed. The Zone was the only place for Davis. There is no other choice Clark has other than to send him there. He can't be killed, and if stays he will end up killing everyone.

We even have proof of this. In Infamous, even when Davis/Doomsday was close to Chloe (right next to her) he changed, ripped off the door of her car and was in the process of killing her. So this (idiotic) thing with Davis not changing when around Chloe would/will eventually end as Infamous showed.

I think it's a disgrace to have this Chloe keeps Doomsday at bay BS plot. It emasculates Doomsday and turns him into a Dawson's Creek character. No wonder so many Superman fans are pissed off at this show.

[desertcoyote]

Complete cop out, but since there are a couple of episodes left.. I can see why they had to do it. Story wise, it was horrid. Davis has killed a lot of people... A LOT. Remember the scene of the field when Clark used his x-ray vision? What can Clark do against Doomsday if he can't be killed? Oh yeah! Let's send him to a prison that was specifically designed for creatures like Doomsday. But alas, Chloe knows best and springs Davis from the FoS, leaving Clark confused and angry. Way to help out your best bud there Chloe.

[holehead13]

I mostly felt the episode was a copout because we basically saw the ending of the episode (clark slamming down the phone after chloe tells him not to look for her) in the trailer for 'beast' last week. What kind of idiots reveal what happens in an episode in the trailer?! -.- I was expecting it to be either at the beginning or in the middle of the episode

[Eurynome]

My problem was that Chloe shouldn't have been able to pull out the crystal. Brainiac couldn't put it in. And in "Blue," the crystal Clark put in to bring back his mom, Kara couldn't pull out because only Kal-El could affect the fortress. It was a WTF moment.

[Davis Bloome]

I don't know, I think the fight sequence should have gone on longer if a few scenes were shortened it would have been possible. Such as Jimmy getting a job from Oli and such. Thought that scene was of course relevant but it was a bit too long.

[marcella]

The real fight is going to happen in May 14th

[wafflles87]

Yeah. I was psyched. I was yelling "YEHAW! Clark vs Davis! How awesome is that?!"

Then the wee blond shows up and ruins it by abusing Clark's overactive guilt system.

[xrayvision]

Complete cop out, but since there are a couple of episodes left.. I can see why they had to do it.

I can't. To me this was a perfect time for Clark to try to fix the Fortress and find a crystal with a message from Jor-El telling him that he needed to enter the Phantom Zone to retrieve the Eradicator to fix the FOS. It would have been great if Clark had to dive into the lake of blood to get the Eradicator and upon coming out with it, a slew of phantoms and corporeal prisoners would sense the blood and attack him. This would be like a sequel to Bloodline and put Clark in a gauntlet like situation, facing him off against waves of prisoners he would have to defeat to get to the gate & leave the Zone. As a result of his mission to get the Eradicator to fix the FOS, he would receive some combat training & preparation for his upcoming match against Doomsday. This is what I genuinely wanted from this episode:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123661

But this episode did nothing to progress Clark forward in any apsect whatsoever. It made Chloe look like a moron, and made Davis/Doomsday look like a Dawson's Creek wuss who's rage is based on love, which is an outright outrage for the Doomsday character.

[desertcoyote]

I can't. To me this was a perfect time for Clark to try to fix the Fortress and find a crystal with a message from Jor-El telling him that he needed to enter the Phantom Zone to retrieve the Eradicator to fix the FOS. It would have been great if Clark had to dive into the lake of blood to get the Eradicator and upon coming out with it, a slew of phantoms and corporeal prisoners would sense the blood and attack him. This would be like a sequel to Bloodline and put Clark in a gauntlet like situation, facing him off against waves of prisoners he would have to defeat to get to the gate & leave the Zone. As a result of his mission to get the Eradicator to fix the FOS, he would receive some combat training & preparation for his upcoming match against Doomsday. This is what I genuinely wanted from this episode:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123661

But this episode did nothing to progress Clark forward in any apsect whatsoever. It made Chloe look like a moron, and made Davis/Doomsday look like a Dawson's Creek wuss who's rage is based on love, which is an outright outrage for the Doomsday character.

I can see your POV there. I agree that in the end, this story did nothing to progress Clark.

[Pantalaimon]

I think you mean the Phantom Zone. And I totally agree. Clark was right about sending him there. The only one who said that Clark couldn't live with sending him there was Chloe---who never went there anyway. I'm pretty sure the physics of the PZ would apply to Davis as well & he wouldn't have any powers in there. Or be able to transform or resurrect himself.
I disagree, Davis is not the kind of criminal for the Phantom Zone. Doomsday is maybe, but Doomsday is a completely unknown quantity. There really is no telling what will happen when they send him there. Even if he looses his strength, I doubt his cells will lose the ability to mutate and keep becoming stronger. In the end he might only become more dangerous. Now, I'm not sure Clark and Chloe have considered this, but they should maybe. Chloe knows about the cells thing from Hamilton and Clark didn't really think his plan through. He was in a hurry to protect Chloe and he didn't want to kill Davis.

The thing is that sending Davis to the Phantom Zone would have been a death sentence too. Even if Davis could keep killing there to avoid turning into the beast he would still completely loose himself in the end. In that respect Chloe was right about Clark coming to regret it, I think. It did make him look a bit stupid, though, just standing there being ashamed of himself. It left me wondering if Chloe's line about Clark not wanting to have blood on his hands was true.

About the fight. I don't really see the point. The only way a fight could have ended was by Davis turning into Doomsday. And we're not there yet. Even if they had both jumped into the phantom zone, what reason would Clark have to fight Davis when he's already in there? I agree that the scene did feel a little bit like and anticlimax, but the climax of this episode had to be about Chloe and Clark, not Davis and Clark, and in that respect it worked.

[xrayvision]

I disagree, Davis is not the kind of criminal for the Phantom Zone. Doomsday is maybe, but Doomsday is a completely unknown quantity. There really is no telling what will happen when they send him there. Even if he looses his strength, I doubt his cells will lose the ability to mutate and keep becoming stronger. In the end he might only become more dangerous. Now, I'm not sure Clark and Chloe have considered this, but they should maybe. Chloe knows about the cells thing from Hamilton and Clark didn't really think his plan through. He was in a hurry to protect Chloe and he didn't want to kill Davis.

The thing is that sending Davis to the Phantom Zone would have been a death sentence too. Even if Davis could keep killing there to avoid turning into the beast he would still completely loose himself in the end. In that respect Chloe was right about Clark coming to regret it, I think. It did make him look a bit stupid, though, just standing there being ashamed of himself. It left me wondering if Chloe's line about Clark not wanting to have blood on his hands was true.

About the fight. I don't really see the point. The only way a fight could have ended was by Davis turning into Doomsday. And we're not there yet. Even if they had both jumped into the phantom zone, what reason would Clark have to fight Davis when he's already in there? I agree that the scene did feel a little bit like and anticlimax, but the climax of this episode had to be about Chloe and Clark, not Davis and Clark, and in that respect it worked.

The thing is Clark isn't responsible for what the Phantom Zone criminals do in the Zone. He would have to assume that Davis wouldn't be able to transform in the Zone. What else is he supposed to think? There really is no alternative. He can either leave Doomsday on Earth to kill or put him in the Zone. Davis clearly can't stay on Earth because he's too dangerous. There's no guarantee that he will never change again with Chloe by his side. Chloe is a mortal and won't always be by his side. Also, Davis is wanted & being hunted and Chloe is his accomplice. The authorities could easily kill Chloe or move in to arrest her. Is it fair for such authorities to be murdered when they didn't need to be? Davis doesn't belong on Earth, mainly due to his doomed (no pun intended) nature. If he was a normal Kryptonian, then it wouldn't be an issue. But he isn't. The Zone was meant for Kryptonians & other aliens and given how dangerous he is, it's the only place for Davis to be. I believe Clark did think about the situation and hoped that his assumptions that Davis not having powers in the Zone was correct.

As for the battle, I would say the best thing would have been for them both to have gotten sucked into the Zone and fought inside it. They could have made a point to show us that Davis is powerless in the Zone & given us a Clark vs. Davis fight with Davis getting knocked out and jumping into the portal after Clark walks through it & before it closes without Clark knowing he escaped. This would have shown us that Clark was right in taking him to the Zone & exhausted every option before their upcoming battle. But by not having Clark send him to the Zone (with or without going to the Zone himself) and leaving the question of the Zone's effects on Davis open, they're just making Clark look bad. To be honest, I think he was in the right of sending him there, because no matter where else he throws Davis, he can end up slaughtering life on other planets as has happened in the comics where he wreaked havoc on a planet Darkseid was on no less. The only place Davis would surely not hurt anyone is at the End of Time, and since Clark no longer has the Legion ring, he can't put him there. Plus, I doubt that idea would even come to him now. Superman didn't even do that until the 2nd time he fought Doomsday in the comics.

I don't think Clark was ashamed of himself. I saw no indication whatsoever that Clark had any hangups of sending Davis to the Zone, even after Chloe mentioned it. What I saw was shock at how far from him Chloe had drifted and how bad her choices have been. Now instead of preparing himself for Doomsday, Clark will be wasting his time looking for Chloe. Now he will really be facing guilt over Chloe throwing her life away because of her idiotic notions of feeling she needs to protect Clark. Clark can protect himself and everytime anyone does something in the name of protecting him, they always make him look like a BDA, when the very character doing the "protecting" in the end is the real idiot. Clark not only was protecting Chloe by sending Davis to the Zone, but the world as well. As a matter of fact, I know his mind was on the world because he didn't know how deep Chloe was involved with Davis until she showed up at the FoS. He had no idea she was planning to run away with him. All he knew was that she sent him on a wild goose chase. He knew Davis couldn't die and that there was nothing else he could do.

[malft]

I'm going to side with Ollie on this one. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out!

[Pantalaimon]

The thing is Clark isn't responsible for what the Phantom Zone criminals do in the Zone. He would have to assume that Davis wouldn't be able to transform in the Zone. What else is he supposed to think? There really is no alternative. He can either leave Doomsday on Earth to kill or put him in the Zone. Davis clearly can't stay on Earth because he's too dangerous. There's no guarantee that he will never change again with Chloe by his side. Chloe is a mortal and won't always be by his side. Also, Davis is wanted & being hunted and Chloe is his accomplice. The authorities could easily kill Chloe or move in to arrest her. Is it fair for such authorities to be murdered when they didn't need to be? Davis doesn't belong on Earth, mainly due to his doomed (no pun intended) nature. If he was a normal Kryptonian, then it wouldn't be an issue. But he isn't. The Zone was meant for Kryptonians & other aliens and given how dangerous he is, it's the only place for Davis to be. I believe Clark did think about the situation and hoped that his assumptions that Davis not having powers in the Zone was correct.

As for the battle, I would say the best thing would have been for them both to have gotten sucked into the Zone and fought inside it. They could have made a point to show us that Davis is powerless in the Zone & given us a Clark vs. Davis fight with Davis getting knocked out and jumping into the portal after Clark walks through it & before it closes without Clark knowing he escaped. This would have shown us that Clark was right in taking him to the Zone & exhausted every option before their upcoming battle. But by not having Clark send him to the Zone (with or without going to the Zone himself) and leaving the question of the Zone's effects on Davis open, they're just making Clark look bad. To be honest, I think he was in the right of sending him there, because no matter where else he throws Davis, he can end up slaughtering life on other planets as has happened in the comics where he wreaked havoc on a planet Darkseid was on no less. The only place Davis would surely not hurt anyone is at the End of Time, and since Clark no longer has the Legion ring, he can't put him there. Plus, I doubt that idea would even come to him now. Superman didn't even do that until the 2nd time he fought Doomsday in the comics.

I don't think Clark was ashamed of himself. I saw no indication whatsoever that Clark had any hangups of sending Davis to the Zone, even after Chloe mentioned it. What I saw was shock at how far from him Chloe had drifted and how bad her choices have been. Now instead of preparing himself for Doomsday, Clark will be wasting his time looking for Chloe. Now he will really be facing guilt over Chloe throwing her life away because of her idiotic notions of feeling she needs to protect Clark. Clark can protect himself and everytime anyone does something in the name of protecting him, they always make him look like a BDA, when the very character doing the "protecting" in the end is the real idiot. Clark not only was protecting Chloe by sending Davis to the Zone, but the world as well. As a matter of fact, I know his mind was on the world because he didn't know how deep Chloe was involved with Davis until she showed up at the FoS. He had no idea she was planning to run away with him. All he knew was that she sent him on a wild goose chase. He knew Davis couldn't die and that there was nothing else he could do.
But Clark doesn't want to fight Davis. Davis is a victim. He is not the same as Doomsday. Clark said he wanted to give Davis some sort of chance to live his life in the phantom zone. I'm not exactly sure what he meant when he said that Davis could be himself, but I can't believe Clark would have really wanted to force Davis to become the monster. In that respect Chloe was right.

You are right that Clark was shocked about what Chloe was doing - I had considered that - but he did look ashamed to me. I have to watch it again though.

[Davis Bloome]

To me it also looked like Clark was confused and maybe wanted to think over what Chloe said. Maybe she was right that he wouldn't feel good about sending Davis to hell for eternity. I thought that there should be a way to freeze Davis in. If Clark couldn't break out, then there has to be a way that Davis can't either.

[xrayvision]

But Clark doesn't want to fight Davis. Davis is a victim. He is not the same as Doomsday. Clark said he wanted to give Davis some sort of chance to live his life in the phantom zone. I'm not exactly sure what he meant when he said that Davis could be himself, but I can't believe Clark would have really wanted to force Davis to become the monster. In that respect Chloe was right.

You are right that Clark was shocked about what Chloe was doing - I had considered that - but he did look ashamed to me. I have to watch it again though.

Clark meant Davis could be himself because in the Phantom Zone, he wouldn't have powers and would likely remain as his Davis self. Clark's solution would have avoided the fight, but now that's impossible to avoid.

The way I saw it, Clark knew Davis' future better than Davis himself or Chloe for that matter. Davis' & Chloe's judgements are clouded because Davis has feelings for Chloe and is ignoring his true nature that he admitted in Eternal & Infamous. Chloe also has feelings for Davis which she is obviously denying. She also wrongfully thinks she needs to protect Clark and like Davis she is denying Davis' true nature and the very purpose of his existence (to destroy Clark & the world). She is dreaming if she thinks anything can stop Davis from ultimately becoming Doomsday.

[SuperheroFan87]

Okay, The Phantom Zone in SV (and the comics) is an intergalactic prison designed by Jor-El to contain dangerous criminals from Krypton and other planets throughout the universe. It is not "hell", it is specifically designed to be an inescapable prison (well, usually inescapable). "Davis Bloome" isn't even a human.........he is merely a cloak for Doomsday to walk around in undetected. Doomsday is a creature designed to adapt to whatever habitat or environment it finds itself in. Clark made the right decision and Chloe had to screw it up to save her "love muffin".:rolleyes: Clark only looked bad because Chloe knows how to emotionally disarm him and play his feelings against him........which made the climax even more pathetic, imo. Also, I wouldn't say it isn't in Superman's nature to send criminals to the PZ, he does it in the comics when no other option is available. The only character progression I saw for Clark was that he acted very much like Superman and resolved to make a sacrifice with humanity's best interests in mind, saving the world at that moment was his top priority...........but Chloe just had to put humanity further in jeopardy to save her "misunderstood, underappreciated boyfriend".:mad::rolleyes:

[borednow]

Chloe, Chloe, Chloe. tisk, tisk, tisk.............Is it just me or was everything that came out of her mouth in the fortress scene and onward complete CRAP! How is keeping Davis around and alive helping Clark?? I just don't see it. I actually really liked Clark in this episode and that's one of the reasons this epi was not a total wreck IMO. But Chloe, WTH?? I can understand not wanting Clark to kill Davis, but what was wrong with PZ?? Why did she have to go fall in love with that monster anyway?

I don't know but I'm totally with you on all of that. I'm beginning to think Chloe is in love with being miserable...

[Pantalaimon]

Clark meant Davis could be himself because in the Phantom Zone, he wouldn't have powers and would likely remain as his Davis self. Clark's solution would have avoided the fight, but now that's impossible to avoid.

Ah, that is why you think he will lose his powers. I hadn't looked at it in that way. I assumed Clark meant that Davis couldn't hurt any innocent people there because there are only phantoms.

It's certainly a possibility, but I'm not sure that's what the writers had in mind. Chloe said Clark was forcing Davis to become Doomsday. He didn't refute that, which I'm sure he would have if the writers had wanted to make it clear that that was Clark's plan.

[Davis Bloome]

How could Clark actually know that he could be his true self? Because Clark himself had no powers when he was in there... Well wasn't it said that not Davis, but Doomsday is his true self....

[xrayvision]

Ah, that is why you think he will lose his powers. I hadn't looked at it in that way. I assumed Clark meant that Davis couldn't hurt any innocent people there because there are only phantoms.

It's certainly a possibility, but I'm not sure that's what the writers had in mind. Chloe said Clark was forcing Davis to become Doomsday. He didn't refute that, which I'm sure he would have if the writers had wanted to make it clear that that was Clark's plan.

IMO, the only reason he didn't refute it was because he was shocked at everything Chloe did. I sure would if I was him. I would never expect someone who I was such close friends with to stab me in the back like that & not have any faith in me. Chloe took away the only chance Clark had to send him to the Zone without any deaths. Clark had him in the Fortress as Davis. He will never get that chance again.

I don't think it's only a possibility, but most likely that Davis wouldn't have powers in the Zone. That is the main purpose--to depower criminals so they would be stuck there forever without powers. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether Davis would be Davis or Doomsday in there. Either way, he would have to be depowered based on the physics of the Zone, which not even Davis could defy.

[Pantalaimon]

Well, I hope they shed some light on this issue in the next episode, because I'm not sure.

[baltazor]

I liked that they just through a couple of punches. This allowed Clark to make an effort and imprison DD without killing him. He tried to find a way to neutralize him without taking his life. So when DD is unleashed in the near future then we will see their massive fight.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Im glad the boys had their little throw around...they need their practice for the BIG FIGHT!!!!

But I am not happy that Chloe showed up at all!!!!!!

[SGuthrie27]

While I wouldn't have minded seeing the battle last a little bit longer, I knew it couldn't end with Davis getting beamed to the Phantom Zone. What would there have been left to do in "Injustice" and "Doomsday" if that had happened? That being said, do I agree completely with Chloe's decision to show up and stop Clark from trying to toss Davis through the portal? No, because I think that it was a good idea on Clark's part, and who's to say that Davis would've lost his human side completely, anyway? It could've been a temporary move until they could come up with a way of separating the two personas. Oh well... that's obviously not what TPTB had in mind.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Jawth]

:rolleyes:Nope, because Davis was about to take Clark to the Phantom Zone.

What if the PZ can't hold Davis? Kryptonite didn't hurt him.

Chloe did the right thing. She knows the only way to calm him down is her presence.

Clark was clearly shown to be stronger than Davis while in human form. He was about to kick his ass and throw him into the portal.

Chloe is an idiot. Clark was dealing with the problem at hand. The Phantom Zone is another dimension and would have held Davis forever. Hell, there's a good chance it would neutrilize his transformations, like it did to the Kryptonian's powers.

[SGuthrie27]

Jawth, I believe you're right that Clark is stronger than Davis when he's still in the Bloome persona, but from what we saw in "Bride," as Doomsday, he packs a serious punch, and who's to say both of them wouldn't have gotten pulled in if it hadn't been for Chloe showing up when she did and sapping Doomy's strength? But you do bring up an interesting point that I wonder if Chloe thought about when it comes to the possibility of Davis' transformations being rendered inert. But in that case, it'd be even more tragic, as he'd be his truly nice, human self, and probably get ripped apart by all the phantoms there (not that the Doomsday side of him doesn't have it coming after all the carnage he's committed, but still...). I still say an attempt with black kryptonite is the way to go.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Jawth]

Jawth, I believe you're right that Clark is stronger than Davis when he's still in the Bloome persona, but from what we saw in "Bride," as Doomsday, he packs a serious punch, and who's to say both of them wouldn't have gotten pulled in if it hadn't been for Chloe showing up when she did and sapping Doomy's strength? But you do bring up an interesting point that I wonder if Chloe thought about when it comes to the possibility of Davis' transformations being rendered inert. But in that case, it'd be even more tragic, as he'd be his truly nice, human self, and probably get ripped apart by all the phantoms there (not that the Doomsday side of him doesn't have it coming after all the carnage he's committed, but still...). I still say an attempt with black kryptonite is the way to go.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

If he had even really begun to transform (i.e., horns starting to portude, skin turning grey and lumpy) there'd be a chance he could have matched/overpowered Clark. Clark slapped him across the room without considerable effort and Davis was unable to break Clark's grip.

Even ignoring the strength gap, Clark has more abilities at his disposal. He would have tossed Davis in.

[SGuthrie27]

Let's hope so, and that would've been cool, except for the whole "messing up the plans for the season finale" thing. ;)

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--