ShapeShifting changed the spot.

[Yoshua]

Ok, so the people who were poking at that Sylar had the ability to change the sweet spot were spot on. Pun intended.


That being said?

Ok, so Sylar is Nathan Patrelli. He obviously still has Intuitive Aptitude by the end of the episode, so shouldn't his auto healing factor still be intact? I mean.... Wouldn't he notice if he nicked himself shaving or cut himself and it instantly healed?



I see many problems ahead for this story line, least of all being all the plot holes we will shoot in it.

[phalcomb]

Even more to the point... Angela knows that Sylar has Claire's healing ability. She also knows, because of the episode where her memories were restored by Linderman that healing can restore memories wiped by powers. Why didn't she, above all people, realize that it was a bad idea to give someone with rapid cellular regeneration a brain reprogram?

[targis]

You can't move the pats of your brain around and have it still function can you?

[RedPhoenix23]

Even more to the point... Angela knows that Sylar has Claire's healing ability. She also knows, because of the episode where her memories were restored by Linderman that healing can restore memories wiped by powers. Why didn't she, above all people, realize that it was a bad idea to give someone with rapid cellular regeneration a brain reprogram?

Not only is the healing ability and Sylars apitude thing a problem but he's got a crapload of other abilities that's going to make it impossible for "Sythan" to continue to think he's regular old Nathan. What about the bullcrap detector? Angela knows Sylar has that. Everytime someone lies to to him, he will know. I mean, WTF, he's just suspose to not notice that?!

[Yoshua]

You can't move the pats of your brain around and have it still function can you?

Me?

No.

Sylar? According to what he said on screen?

Yes.

[pycer]

Ok, so the people who were poking at that Sylar had the ability to change the sweet spot were spot on. Pun intended.


That being said?

Ok, so Sylar is Nathan Patrelli. He obviously still has Intuitive Aptitude by the end of the episode, so shouldn't his auto healing factor still be intact? I mean.... Wouldn't he notice if he nicked himself shaving or cut himself and it instantly healed?



I see many problems ahead for this story line, least of all being all the plot holes we will shoot in it.


Ahem, yes...yes thank you, I know, it is such a burden to be always right...but it is my cross to bear...

Anyway, yeah, I've got like negative hope that this storyline will turn out well.

[targis]

Ok, so the people who were poking at that Sylar had the ability to change the sweet spot were spot on. Pun intended.


That being said?

Ok, so Sylar is Nathan Patrelli. He obviously still has Intuitive Aptitude by the end of the episode, so shouldn't his auto healing factor still be intact? I mean.... Wouldn't he notice if he nicked himself shaving or cut himself and it instantly healed?



I see many problems ahead for this story line, least of all being all the plot holes we will shoot in it.

No Plot holes if they make him remember right at first and decide to just go with it.

[targis]

The spot is still in is head isn't it or can he move to any location on his body?

[ChrisB85]

I don´t think so, as I recal it the spot is some kind of knot in the brain that triggers the hole regeneration, if not every ability one has. So it still has to be in the Brain and i don´t think Sylar moved his entire brain down to his balls.

[targis]

At the start of the episode Sylar transformed into Danko and framed him for murder. then he shifted into Towel and said he had him.

Well didn't HRG kill Towel/Sylar in a previous episode. I would think the soldjers would be like "hold on a minute, aren't you dead?"

[ChrisB85]

Good point, you´re right!
HRG found out about Sylar and Danko told him it´s Towel.
So HRG ran on to him, shot him in the chest (I think?) to prove that he´s Sylar, because then he would regenerate.
Another story hole, and this time just a few eps when it happend.

[j-kent]

I'm sure he'll start to become suspicious as he discovers more of his powers, but the only thing that was inconsistent was that essentially Parkman was taking away memories of Sylar- physically this is scarring of tissue for those certain memories (Sylar is seen squarming in pain as those memories deleted and were replaced by Nathan's). In logic, this scarring of memories shouldn't last as prevented by tissue regeneration and healing factor...

[targis]

I'm sure he'll start to become suspicious as he discovers more of his powers, but the only thing that was inconsistent was that essentially Parkman was taking away memories of Sylar- physically this is scarring of tissue for those certain memories (Sylar is seen squarming in pain as those memories deleted and were replaced by Nathan's). In logic, this scarring of memories shouldn't last as prevented by tissue regeneration and healing factor...
Do you mean the only thing inconsistent about the whole episode?

[gja1926]

yep i agree with you 100% this show is going to have alot problems

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yep i agree with you 100% this show is going to have alot problems
QUOTE=Yoshua;4778100]Ok, so the people who were poking at that Sylar had the ability to change the sweet spot were spot on. Pun intended.


That being said?

Ok, so Sylar is Nathan Patrelli. He obviously still has Intuitive Aptitude by the end of the episode, so shouldn't his auto healing factor still be intact? I mean.... Wouldn't he notice if he nicked himself shaving or cut himself and it instantly healed?



I see many problems ahead for this story line, least of all being all the plot holes we will shoot in it.[/QUOTE]

[Leo]

At the start of the episode Sylar transformed into Danko and framed him for murder. then he shifted into Towel and said he had him.

Well didn't HRG kill Towel/Sylar in a previous episode. I would think the soldjers would be like "hold on a minute, aren't you dead?"

I'm pretty sure the guy HRG killed wasn't the guy that Sylar was impersonating.

[RedPhoenix23]

The first guy Sylar was impersonating was some blonde/light redish haired dude. HRG shot him and Sylar was able to stop himself from healing long enough for Noah to get arrested. After that, Sylar started impersonating the brunatte guy. Weirdly, in one of those montage scenes in the begining of eps - the ones with scenes from previous eps - you can see Danko telling Sylar to impersonate the brunette guy... but I don't remember that from any real episode...

[targis]

Yeah I was wrong. The other guys name was Donner. Sorry

[j-kent]

Even more to the point... Angela knows that Sylar has Claire's healing ability. She also knows, because of the episode where her memories were restored by Linderman that healing can restore memories wiped by powers. Why didn't she, above all people, realize that it was a bad idea to give someone with rapid cellular regeneration a brain reprogram?

Actually that's exactly what I said in another post. good stuff..

[Lok]

Sylar could control his healing ability, he proved that when he got shot bei HRG as that agent, he said to Danko he let himself bleed out more for realism...

Maybe the Sylar abilities cannot be activated by "Nathan", only by "Sylar", because he doesnt know he has them...... yet ;)

[cyzer]

Think it is all a moot point right now...
Sylar cuts people people heads open to see how their brain works and gets his ability from the knowledge of knowing how things work right?
If all Sylar's memories are completely destroyed, wouldn't the knowledge of how those abilities he learned work be gone too?
He's back to his original and only ability of seeing how things work and none of the other ones... I don't think he's autohealing and what not now, all that knowledge is gone. Remember he said the ability of how things work was the only ability that was truly his.
It would all have to reset, the moment he hugged Angela all her memories should have flooded to him instantly.

[LILVILLE]

Angela knows that Sylar has Claire's healing ability. She also knows, because of the episode where her memories were restored by Linderman that healing can restore memories wiped by powers. Why didn't she, above all people, realize that it was a bad idea to give someone with rapid cellular regeneration a brain

i think anglea wanted this all the time...in vol 3 she wanted sylar 2 be her son..if u rewatch the end of 1961 when sylar was nathan at the press confrence she had a smile on her face like she already knew what was gonna happen..i think she wanted sylar 2 become nathan so she could manipulate him and sylar has powers which she can use to her advantage till sylar realizes who he is..

[targis]

So if someone is sticking a knife in his head and it is headed for the spot he can move it out the way of the knife before it is fully stuck in his head.

[WhoRU?]

I think that it maybe possible to wipe his memories of "How" the healing works, auto or non auto.

[DevilsDreams]

I think that if Syler has indeed been 'wiped' it would explain his loss in power, cause he is imensely powerful really, near immortal with the regeneration, a multitude of offensive powers and latent abilities like the lie detection and alike.
But if in wiping his memory these abilities have also been wiped then it would make a little more sense to be honest. The only trouble I see a little would be technically he wouldn't have the ability to fly... which would probably make him wonder wtf was happening.

if he has kept all his powers then there are so many weird ways it just doesn't overly work, i guess it could be a little like Peter's initial ability where he had to understand the power and remember the person in order to use it.
like someone said, when he hugged Angela he would have read the 'history' of the items etc and would know what had happened.
also with Peter's ability being limited to touch what happens if he 'borrows' another ability then goes back to "Nathan" to get flight back... he'd realise it's Sylar from the fact of the multiple abilities or he could possible "borrow" the ineptitude (and possibly the 'hunger' )

[Yoshua]

Think it is all a moot point right now...
Sylar cuts people people heads open to see how their brain works and gets his ability from the knowledge of knowing how things work right?
If all Sylar's memories are completely destroyed, wouldn't the knowledge of how those abilities he learned work be gone too?
He's back to his original and only ability of seeing how things work and none of the other ones... I don't think he's autohealing and what not now, all that knowledge is gone. Remember he said the ability of how things work was the only ability that was truly his.
It would all have to reset, the moment he hugged Angela all her memories should have flooded to him instantly.

Can't say yes for the simple fact he is still shape shifted.


Parkman made him forget, but his abilities were still there. Just like the hatian made peter forget about his abilities and how to use them, but they were still there. Forgetting how to use them doesn't remove them in this show. Just makes you have to relearn how to use them.


Things like Intuitive aptitude and healing factors are innate abilities. They require no knowledge of how they work, they just do.

[CompanyMan]

Things like Intuitive aptitude and healing factors are innate abilities. They require no knowledge of how they work, they just do.

That's about what I would have said. He has a few passive abilities (meaning that they don't require him to consciously call them out--much like we can smell when someone needs a shower, for instance). IA and healing are two, the lie detector is another. I forget if he has any others that are passive. But having IA makes it easier for him to use the other abilities -- he often has better control over these powers than the original person had, so I would not doubt that he might inadverdently use a power or two when provoked without really knowing he has them (like what happened to Peter in the beginning of volume 2).

[Syn]

I don't think Sylar's memories are going to be coming back. The Haitian guy's power worked by scarring a specific part of the brain. Matt Parkman actually controls brain functions though, so if he literally replaces memories then it's not like healing is going to bring the old memories back, because there's nothing damaged that needs healing.

What'll be interesting though is when Nathan finds out who his body really belongs to. Will he still see himself as Nathan or just be a really messed up Sylar?

Also, if they really wanted to kill Sylar, why didn't Parkman just try and find "the spot" by reading Sylar's mind then jam a knife in there?

[Yoshua]

He knew that the clock was off. that alone says that he still has his memories locked away.


And that he has intuitive aptitude alive and active.

[Syn]

He knew the clock was off because of his intuitive aptitude, which is a physical thing, not a memory, so why would a memory wipe remove that power? It's his collected abilities that might be lost.

[Yoshua]

i get your thought process. just don't agree.


If sylar was erased then i think his power would be gone. Otherwise you would have Nathan having all these abilities and not understanding how, then linking who else had them and figuring out what happened.

Either way, he is going to figure it out, and i dont think his memories were out and out erased, just suppressed.

[Syn]

But isn't suppressing memories more what the Haitian does? Matt Parkman literally controls brains, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to completely remove a memory. After all, memories are just specific arrangements in the brain; the haitian made it so certain memories were severed but still there, but Parkman has the ability to manipulate the brain completely. Given that he was dealing with a super powerful psycho killer I don't think he would have done a half assed job.

[CompanyMan]

Since it took an act of healing to restore memories wiped out by the Haitian, it appears that the memory wipes by him are made by scarring the brain.

The Parkman whammy is different. Matt can implant telepathic illusions in another's head, but his power does not effect the brain itself like the Haitian's does. Matt himself was whammied in a simular way by his father and was able to "wake up" from it with out any need for healing.

So it appears that Sylar as Nathan still has his memories (as well as abilities) intact, but is under the impression that he is Nathan, at least until he somehow "wakes up" from the spell Matt put him under.