Finally got to see a younger version of them

[kp1984]

We got to see a younger version of angie, linderman and Bob. I was hoping I would get to see a younger version of Arthur but he was'nt in it. Wonder if Arthur took the telepahty powers from that black guy?

[Ginx]

I hope we get another flashback so we can get more information about the first company.

[haydenclaireheroes]

i liked this because it seemed like company man the best episode in this series. Heroes was gone and missing for along time now but this episode will defently make a difference it was really good.

[kp1984]

Wonder if we'll ever see a young Noah.

[targis]

Who was the telepath?

He seemed very powerful in the cafe. Why didn't he get everyone out of the relocation facility? He could have easily done it.

[haydenclaireheroes]

i think the telepath is actually simon's father.

[xMaNiAx]

yeah its Charles Deveaux, the dying guy Peter cared for in season 1.

and the girl who played Angela, wasn't she in that TV show with Britney Spear's sister?

[warriorrenegade]

Yeah seeing the Lil' Company was cool.

[haydenclaireheroes]

xmaniax she was in zoey 101

[Lilah]

That was Charles????? Really???? So that Angela/Charles theory I heard back around the time of season 1 was true! Ah! I can't believe one episode has gotten me so excited for the show again... Only for it to end in two weeks. Ugh!

[Skaterpen357]

I thoroughly enjoyed the flashbacks; I like seeing "secret origins" and the like. I was also kind of hoping for an Arthur cameo at the end, but seeing Linderman and Charles in action was pretty awesome. (Bob really didn't do anything, which was kind of disappointing...)

Also, my dad called the scene where Charles and Angela were dancing-- "There's no way a black man would be allowed to dance with a white girl in the 60s..."

So it was pretty neat seeing the whole telepathy bit. :D

I also agree with the Arthur theory (about stealing Charles' ability); it would explain why we never saw it in the present.

One last thing: is it just me, or did the girl playing Angela actually look like a very believable younger version of Angela?

[super_j_man]

It's not just you. I really liked her as young Angela though I did think she had some off scenes as far as acting goes. But she was good nonetheless.

Deveaux's ability makes perfect since (how he was able to see and talk to Peter in his dream in How to Stop an Exploding Man), but I wish it was more original and not just the same as Matt and Maury.

[number8]

I liked seeing the younger version of the early Company founders. I got a chuckle out of Bishop and Linderman, I kind of wished Bob displayed his power though.

It was also very interesting to see Charles Deveaux, didn't realize who he was at first. But there's too many telepaths out there.. must be a common power...
The girl who portrayed young Angela was good, agreed.

[targis]

Angela/Charles a couple? Strange they would put them together like that. Maybe Angela has another kid out there somewhere.

[Ginx]

Deveaux's ability makes perfect since (how he was able to see and talk to Peter in his dream in How to Stop an Exploding Man), but I wish it was more original and not just the same as Matt and Maury.

Maybe it's not the same but we only got to see a glimpse of it? There are lots of different forms - some people control dreams, others focus on power of persuasion etc. So I hope we get at least one more flash back, maybe on how Arthur meets Angela or something and the whole love triangle aspect more or less just to fill in the wholes of how Arthur became involved then went rogue.

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Angela/Charles a couple? Strange they would put them together like that. Maybe Angela has another kid out there somewhere.

There has always been something in the air with the two characters. The rare times they had screen time together you could just tell something had happened in the past. I can't recall if they hinted stronger at it when Peter went back in time and saw his mom and Charles talking on the terrace.

[LOONEY]

Linderman didn't meet Aurthor until the war and he had NO power. He must have been one of the first subjects to get synthetic abilities.

[ash91]

hmm i confused about who bob is, is he elle's father? the guy who can turn objects to gold? because i recognised everyone else, but was racking my brain as to who he was

[LOONEY]

Bob "Goldy" Bishop.....ALF's host!

[Litle bit more bizarre]

Yes Bob was Elles father

[super_j_man]

There has always been something in the air with the two characters. The rare times they had screen time together you could just tell something had happened in the past. I can't recall if they hinted stronger at it when Peter went back in time and saw his mom and Charles talking on the terrace.

Angela & Arthur, Angela & Charles, and Angela & Kaito. She gets around doesn't she. ;)

Linderman didn't meet Aurthor until the war and he had NO power. He must have been one of the first subjects to get synthetic abilities.

Maybe he had his power all along, he just didn't manifest until after the war. After all, the war was the first time that he had met anybody with powers, and since his power is taking other powers it would have been useless around people without powers (if that makes sense). Nonetheless, It's never really clear. Maybe they'll come out with more GNs about Arthur.

[targis]

I wonder if Samson was there also. they didn't show him this episode but he could have been there somewhere

[LOONEY]

I believe somewhere in the universe it's been said that Arty had no powers to start off with. This would explain why Nate had to be given powers....

[targis]

I think Arthur had powers all along. I don't see any evidence to think otherwise.

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I believe somewhere in the universe it's been said that Arty had no powers to start off with. This would explain why Nate had to be given powers....
Arthur gave Nathan Synthetic powers because he liked Nathan better than Peter.

In the episode about this Arthur told Angela that he wanted to give Nathan the shot because the wrong son got the power.

[last man of krypton]

I think Arthur had powers all along. I don't see any evidence to think otherwise.

Issues 24-29 of the Heroes Graphic Novel explains whether or not Arthur had powers all along.

Arthur didn't know anything about special abilities during the war, and was shocked when Linderman displayed his power. Though it doesn't explain whether or not Arthur's powers are natural, he at least didn't receive them until well after the war.

[targis]

Issues 24-29 of the Heroes Graphic Novel explains whether or not Arthur had powers all along.

Arthur didn't know anything about special abilities during the war, and was shocked when Linderman displayed his power. Though it doesn't explain whether or not Arthur's powers are natural, he at least didn't receive them until well after the war.
Yeah I didn't read that

[Alexander III]

Lindaman doesn't look badass when he was young, i was disappointed by that!

[taolbi]

I think that Angela had relations with more than just Arthur and Charles.

Didn't someone say that Kaito and Angela shared a hug that held a little bit too long?

I wouldn't be surprised if all the 61 supers used their DNA as a template to create other test tube babies, as a test. Angela being the constant variable. TULS!

[super_j_man]

I think that Angela had relations with more than just Arthur and Charles.

Didn't someone say that Kaito and Angela shared a hug that held a little bit too long?

I wouldn't be surprised if all the 61 supers used their DNA as a template to create other test tube babies, as a test. Angela being the constant variable. TULS!

Angela sure gets around, doesn't she? :lol:

[Merfish]

Theres a line in season 2 when kaito dies and parkman asked her if she was sleeping with him, and then she replies "No, not for a long time" ZOINKS!

[The Striving Artist®]

I was confused about Zimmerman's appearance.Here he seemed to be in league with Chandra and the rest of the group.Yet in "I AM BECOME DEATH" he talked as if he had worked for The Company and got his memory wiped by the Haitian.

[Lilah]

^Yeah that's when everyone was wondering if they were going to make Nathan, Peter and Hiro brothers lol! I remember that line...

[LOONEY]

Issues 24-29 of the Heroes Graphic Novel explains whether or not Arthur had powers all along.

Arthur didn't know anything about special abilities during the war, and was shocked when Linderman displayed his power. Though it doesn't explain whether or not Arthur's powers are natural, he at least didn't receive them until well after the war.

I just reread ALL of those issues and nowhere did it say He Had powers, he was afraid of Linderman as a matter a fact. The emotions he would have had would have kicked his powers in if indeed he had any, which he obviously didn't.

I can't tell what was blocked out but how can a graphic novel be a spoiler?

[last man of krypton]

Just highlight the text to reveal blacked-out text. I've considered it a spoiler in case people hadn't read the graphic novel yet.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I liked seeing the younger version of the early Company founders. I got a chuckle out of Bishop and Linderman, I kind of wished Bob displayed his power though.

Umm, this was in black and white, it would have been tough to show off a power that turns things into gold.

[CompanyMan]

I was confused about Zimmerman's appearance.Here he seemed to be in league with Chandra and the rest of the group.Yet in "I AM BECOME DEATH" he talked as if he had worked for The Company and got his memory wiped by the Haitian.

He did tell Tracy that he worked for a company, but couldn't remember what company he worked for. I doubt it was the Haitian, but it could have been Charles Devereaux who made him forget.

[Skaterpen357]

Umm, this was in black and white, it would have been tough to show off a power that turns things into gold.
Huh. Hadn't thought about that... :lol:

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He did tell Tracy that he worked for a company, but couldn't remember what company he worked for. I doubt it was the Haitian, but it could have been Charles Devereaux who made him forget.
Interesting point--telepathy is becoming quite the encompassing ability on this show. I wonder if telepathy could affect powers...telepathy is said to control every part of the brain, which on this show includes powers...

[LOONEY]

I just reread ALL of those issues and nowhere did it say He Had powers, he was afraid of Linderman as a matter a fact. The emotions he would have had would have kicked his powers in if indeed he had any, which he obviously didn't.

I can't tell what was blocked out but how can a graphic novel be a spoiler?
He still didn't have them when Linderman showed up at his house with Angela sitting on the couch.....If they made the company when they were really young did Arty not know?
I mean the war would have been after "1961" epi so he already new Arts wife? i don't get that at all! So he must not have know his wife had powers then either?

[CompanyMan]

I think that things make slightly more sense after it is realized that the episode 1961 is not a flashback episode, but a retcon. I once stated that Heroes does not have retcon episodes, and then the writers threw a retcon into my living room. Live and learn, I guess. I'm sure it wasn't intended to be a retcon, but a rose by any other name is still a rose. A few of the characters had their histories rewritten, most notably Chandra Suresh, but to a minor degree Angela, Charles, Bob, and Daniel also had their histories re-written. I'm a huge fan of Heroes and I do my best to roll with the punches.

[topo21]

Angela/Charles a couple? Strange they would put them together like that. Maybe Angela has another kid out there somewhere.

Maybe Simone was Peter's half sister.

[super_j_man]

Maybe Simone was Peter's half sister.

EWWWW, NO!!! They slept together!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Skaterpen357]

I think that things make slightly more sense after it is realized that the episode 1961 is not a flashback episode, but a retcon. I once stated that Heroes does not have retcon episodes, and then the writers threw a retcon into my living room. Live and learn, I guess. I'm sure it wasn't intended to be a retcon, but a rose by any other name is still a rose. A few of the characters had their histories rewritten, most notably Chandra Suresh, but to a minor degree Angela, Charles, Bob, and Daniel also had their histories re-written. I'm a huge fan of Heroes and I do my best to roll with the punches.
I just hope they don't waste this new Mohinder plot...retcon or no, Chandra's encounters with evolved humans changes a lot about Sylar's origins, etc. Unless of course you subscribe to the "Chandra got mindwiped" theory, but really, unless Mohinder's plot pans out well, they could have just used Zimmerman for that role...

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

It wasn't a very obvious retcon, and as retcons go i think this one is forgivable. This episode taught us a hellova lot.

I can see now the ultimate nature and grand scheme of heroes.


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Pre history, people have powers far in the past, the activation of powers has something to do with eclipses.


After the events of 1961, the company is born.

The company successfully removes the secret of people with powers from the government. It also makes smaller the problem of people with dangerous abilities by locking away these dangerous individuals.

Problems started to escilate, individuals with ever more dangerous powers are creating havoc and the company cannot control everything.

The freindships within the company begin to fall apart. High ranking members of the company loose their objectivity and execute risky dangerous plans, most noticably Arthur, Adam and to a lesser extent, Linderman.

Sylar is "activated" by Noah and Elle.

The new generation of Heroes start getting their powers after an eclips and suddenly this newer generation of Heroes stats to unravel the companies objectives all this come to a climax with the election, the comapanies plan to destroy New York is thwarted, as is their long term goal to have direct control over the white house.

Linderman is killed. Sylar looses his powers due to injury.

The company is going into overtime to clean things up and now the companies old friend and new enemy, Adam, is back to reak havoc and destroy the world with a virus, his plan is thwarted.

Sylar gets his powers back.

The future is revealed to Hero and the world is going to split in two, somehow.

Things go from bad to worse for the company when Arthur reappears and tries for a new scheme to give powers to the military and control the world through those controlling people's powers. His plan is thwarted and he is killed by Sylar.

Sylar detroys the company completely.

Nathan spills the secret of people with powers to the governement. Things appear to go full circle, the governamnt has the scret and a new "company' has to be formed to keep the secret form the government.

It is revelaed that Sylar has become involved in the governments plans and impersonating Nathan in order to get into politics.

[CompanyMan]

It was quite obvious that it was a retcon for those who have followed Heroes since volume one. And unfortunately, it opened a plot hole big enough to drive a Mack truck though it. We once thought Chandra's Patient Zero was Sylar, but not anymore. Now it's the folks from Coyote Sands. C'est la vie.

[The Striving Artist®]

It was quite obvious that it was a retcon for those who have followed Heroes since volume one. And unfortunately, it opened a plot hole big enough to drive a Mack truck though it. We once thought Chandra's Patient Zero was Sylar, but not anymore. Now it's the folks from Coyote Sands. C'est la vie.

I don't see that as a TOTAL retcon.Since everything in Coyote Sands was destroyed,Chandra could have been a "free agent" learned from his mistakes with working for the government,and decided to start fresh on his own terms.

Also Charles ability could have been something else completely than just telepathy.He could sense and influence emotions.Just a thought.

[CompanyMan]

I don't see that as a TOTAL retcon.Since everything in Coyote Sands was destroyed,Chandra could have been a "free agent" learned from his mistakes with working for the government,and decided to start fresh on his own terms.

Not everything was destroyed. Peter found a film and gave it to Mohinder. Chandra had papers in the basement of his New York apartment building. If the government was that sloppy, I'm sure there's more.

Even if Chandra was mind-wiped, the papers from Coyote Sands should have convinced him to start in Arizona and not New York, or at least to visit the Arizona site. Also, Chandra (in volume one) claimed he learned about people with abilities by utilizing the Human Genome Project. That project wasn't started until 1990 . I think you get the picture. Big plot holes.