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superhippie2000

03-11-2009, 09:19 AM

what did you think of the new episode?

redeem147

03-12-2009, 08:11 PM

After that brief decline into previous seasons, Smallville has another good episode. My show looks like it's back!

skylar

03-12-2009, 08:12 PM

Great episode gave it a 9

ledzepfan23

03-12-2009, 08:12 PM

Smallville is back. A solid 9

unfocused

03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

Loved it. One of my faves so far this season. Excellent Doomsday interaction.

Jack-El49

03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

Gave it a 9 because of the ending. Clark should have had a cup of coffee with Lois and I don't understand why he didn't. The rest was absolutely tremendous.

Superhog

03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

8-8.5

spideyfan

03-12-2009, 08:13 PM

8.5...really good episode when i expected a bad one...great lois stuff in this one...

devilicus rebel

03-12-2009, 08:14 PM

I think my expectations were so high for this episode that it could never live up, but they did a decent job with it. I would've like more Clois heart-to-heart but not bad overall. I will give it a 9.

Lurchdaddy87

03-12-2009, 08:15 PM

Great Freaking Episode, Way to rebound even though the last four episode were not that Bad. Welcome back to the top Smallville

Supsfan

03-12-2009, 08:16 PM

7

I just wish they can make an episode of Clark figuring out stuff for himself without doing time reversal. The ending scene was terrible and angsty crap like that should be saved for Lana

melissan02

03-12-2009, 08:17 PM

Eh. Gave it an 8...with room for improvement!:p

Savetar

03-12-2009, 08:18 PM

A 9. Hated the no coffee seen at the end, but otherwise awesome.

zorasuperman

03-12-2009, 08:18 PM

i voted an 8
woulda voted it a 10 had clark met lois at that coffee shop

cksidekick

03-12-2009, 08:18 PM

Smallville is back and better than ever!

bizzaroboy9

03-12-2009, 08:19 PM

i wonder who gave it a 2?

Darth Pipes

03-12-2009, 08:19 PM

10.

It was a reset episode but damn it, I really enjoyed it! Everything was rushed but it was fun to see Clark reveals his identity and go from media star to public menace. It was surreal. So was Lex being declared the hero. Not to mention contained some good FX with the cops shooting at him. What an idiot though to not wait two seconds to hear what Chloe had to say. It wouldn't have killed him.

Big fan of the Davis stuff. Sam continues to knock those scenes out of the park and his stuff with Allison is good. Loved the Doomsday bit and the end was awesome, with him doing to Linda Lake what David Silver should have done years ago. That should have ended the episode instead of the Clois nonsense. I don't know why Clark felt he couldn't eventually tell Lois the truth someday. He should have promised her he would.

We get a Martha reference. I was stunned and Clark should have been too.

"Mom? Oh, my God. You're alive!"

kszonew

03-12-2009, 08:20 PM

I liked it a lot more than the rest of this season to be honest. The first 14 episodes had some good ideas, like Clark accepting his destiny, but from an overall point of view I just don't think they were as spectacular as the majority seemed to think (well at least about the first 10-11). Something was missing to me, besides Michael as Lex.

Nonetheless I thought Infamous was better overall, not perfect nor up there with the likes of Descent, Memoria, Exile, Aslyum and Shattered. But still a lot more enjoyable, at least to me, than anything else so-far this season. I have not really enjoyed watching the show since Quest and parts of Arctic. But tonight it felt more like Smallville to me again, than a show with a great outlook but still something missing.

Not keen about season 9, but as far as the remainder of season 8 goes, if they can keep it up with decent episodes and throw some great ones in, I think the rest of this year will be really good. But I will remain on the fence until 8022 airs.

Night_Hawk90

03-12-2009, 08:20 PM

good episode gave it 9, but way to predictable, and plus tori spelling no offense is quite ugly.

dcf

03-12-2009, 08:21 PM

kg1507

03-12-2009, 08:21 PM

Loved it.

antx

03-12-2009, 08:21 PM

Way to come back from such a huge Hiatus.I absolutely loved it.I'd give it a solid 8.There was great clois interaction which I enjoyed,it's a bit weird to say that since I never shipped Lois and Clark on this show.I think more than anything I liked that he opened up to her like he did in Superman 2.It's a really awesome thing to see them working together when Lois knows the exclusive on Clark's background.

-Nora-

03-12-2009, 08:22 PM

Just when I thought I couldn't love Lois and Clark more, they give me this. I've never cried so hard during an ending of ANY episode of ANY show, not even the Friends finale. I'm still crying and this never happened to me before.

PS3, thank you so much. You've shown more respect for the Lois and Clark relationship than I could have ever hoped for. This episode had 'new beginnig' written all over it. Thank you for taking your time with Lois and Clark. Thank you so, so, so much. I think Lois' speech to Clark in the barn changed everything for Clark. You could feel that what she said completely got to him and you could almost see the blinders falling off.

Again, the ending made me cry my eyes out. I feel so bad for both of them. Clark even got all dressed up to meet her and the poor guy is so scared of opening his heart up and getting hurt again. But he knows that he's falling for her. Hard. I just wanted to hug both of them.

Oh my god. :(

Thank you PS3. Just thank you.

origin

03-12-2009, 08:23 PM

I loved every minute of this episode!
I will definitely be watching it again tonight

Perfect 10 for me.

ClubXerxes

03-12-2009, 08:23 PM

9 - They skipped over the "I'm an alien" conversation.

I guess they need to save that one for when it really happens (or maybe not, as might be the case with Smallville)

I'm worried that there will be no payoff to the Lois and Clark love story. Why wouldn't he meet her for coffee?

I have to admit though - that raises the anticipation for future episode watching...

LiLViLLiaN

03-12-2009, 08:24 PM

Loved it.

ims001

03-12-2009, 08:26 PM

Not as good as I hoped, but much better than I expected.

Didn't really like the ending, and I wish they'd write Clark as being a little smarter.

saltyweeks

03-12-2009, 08:28 PM

Very good. I don't like time reversal stuff very much-- i think they acknowledge its over-use by destroying the ring, saying "well, give us this time and we'll quit." Otherwise a nice episode.

Good points:

1. Chloe at the end saying what she thought being famous with Clark would be like-- of course, we have just seen how it really would be. Reflects most people's perception problem re: fame.

2. Erica's performance. Also, not to be superficial (right) but did she look better than normal tonight? Was it the hair?

3. They won't let Lex go. Bold decision made all season that could have backfired, but if Lex comes back this season or next it will now flow right along with the story instead of just being an "event" for fans like Pete or Kara's returns.

4. Clark's look of disdain when they were shooting him. Petty guns...ha!

5. Davis and the Doomsday effects. Getting them right.

6. Allison, as usual. So good.

Bad points:

1. They should spend some time getting the TV and newspaper fake-ups right. Why do they have to look like 1970s media?

2. No Ollie, not even a mention. Wouldn't folks at least be talking about the city's OTHER hero?

Overall I gave it a 9, maybe a little high but folks really trashed the last few, I hope fans appreciate such a good effort in an 8th season.

reobeem

03-12-2009, 08:29 PM

This was a fantastic episode even if it was a what if case. Linda Lake's return was great, since the writers are remembering past characters. Was it me or did it look like Torie Spelling look like she lost a little weight? Speaking of past characters I'm happy they remembered Martha and Jor-El. Up until Linda's big splash I enjoyed all of the funny moements between Lois and Clark, and Clark liveing life as a public hero. They might have overdone it with the water puns. It all seemed to go well, Lois accepted and even tried to defend Clark when he was in trouble and the world was ok with an alien (finally). My only gripe was how quickly people belived Linda when she set Clark up. Even though we knew it would happen I'm happy the Legion ring was used to fix things but it seemed like a bad idea to destroy it, Clark could have hid it again. In the end we said bye bye to Linda thanks to Davis, now if only he could take out those working for Lex. Next week look great and Clark may at last fly.

ClarkyBoy14

03-12-2009, 08:31 PM

Loved it. I gave it a '9.'

The only thing I didn't like was how rushed it was, but it was still great.

AgentChaos

03-12-2009, 08:32 PM

I'll give it a 6. A solid episode, but I wasn't blown away. At least this episode had redeeming parts unlike Committed. The Chloe scenes were great, and Davis' storyline continuing to develop was nice, but the Clois scenes dragged the episode down a few notches.

Although I don't like the fact that Clark was bailed out by the Legion ring, it didn't come out of nowhere, and he got rid of it. He's learning that messing with time is dangerous. Not having that easy out will hopefully make him think twice about the actions he takes in the future.

I also like the fact that after Lana left, Clark didn't just sit around and mope. He threw himself into his hero duties. Stay away, Lana.

Lois I can always do without, but she wasn't intolerable. She didn't seem to be after just fame for once, which is an improvement.

No complaints on the Chloe front. Loved all her scenes, especially with Davis.

cma_454

03-12-2009, 08:32 PM

The scale (1 to 10) is too small to accurately rate this 'Infamous', 'Power', and 'Requiem' on the same scale.

I had to give 'Infamous' a 10 because (in spite of a few flaws) it was just so much better than the last two episodes.

Spacey75

03-12-2009, 08:35 PM

I thought the show was good right up to the ending. Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not ready to go through another "Lana" story with Lois. The writers have a tendency to drag this type of relationship with Clarke out to much. Nothing wrong with sitting down to a cup of coffee with an old friend; no "secrets" have to come out.

Sports72Xtrm

03-12-2009, 08:36 PM

I didn't love it but I didn't hate it either. It wasn't as Clois heavy as I thought it would be. I gave it a 7.

-Nora-

03-12-2009, 08:38 PM

Nothing wrong with sitting down to a cup of coffee with an old friend; no "secrets" have to come out.

Except this wouldn't have been an innocent coffee with an 'old friend', but a date with someone he just realized he cares deeply about. And the guy just got burnt BADLY and is scared.

Does anyone know the name of the song?????

mrw66855

03-12-2009, 08:39 PM

Holy kryptonite Superman. This was a fantastic episode. This really set up the whole dual identity conversation that will happen in the next episode according to spoiler information. Clark will finally realize that Chloe is right about the identity thing. Although, although they were short this episode had some great classic Superman moments and although lois has always been a character who stood up for good, and other things like that. The lines they gave her tonight, although they were few, had tremendous power behind them and really explained why besides the fact that Clark loves her. She is the one that he chose to reveal himself to the world. Greatest scene in the episode in my opinion, actually there were two. Now they think of it. The talk between Clark and Lois in the barn, and when Lois kicked Linda Lake, No. I am sorry, those are the wrong words to use. Let me rephrase when Lois beat the crap out of Linda Lake. Clark learned so much about what he has to do now and he actually talked to his mom in this episode. The only thing that I did not like and I understand, that is classic Superman. So it is okay, but Clark should have at least gone on that date with Lois at the end, if nothing else to explain to her the truth behind why he cannot be with her even though he loves her. Like I said, I understand why they did it because it is classic Superman and stuff, but that was the only part I did not like in the episode. Solid 10 out of 10 for this episode (it would have been probably in 11 out of 10 if they had adjusted that last scene differently.) Smallville is back, and Superman will exist one day. Remember. Just my opinions

Mrs. Superman

03-12-2009, 08:41 PM

There were a lot of great scenes, but there was also a few that seemed a little redundant. I was gonna give it an 8, but any show that makes you cry TWICE (great job Erica!) ... well that automatically gets a boost up. So 9 it is. I definitely enjoyed this episode, and can I just say WOW! Next week looks AMAZING.

cptep46

03-12-2009, 08:42 PM

I hated it. I wish I had the Legion Ring so I could go back in time and stop myself from watching it.

xHerox

03-12-2009, 08:46 PM

After the last few episodes of the show, I was kind of unsure as to what direction this season's storyline would be taking -- not that I really hated any of the past few episodes (even "Power"), it just seemed like the story wasn't really going forward too much. Despite the "reset button" utilized, I think that "Infamous" has really gotten this season back on track again, which is why it deserves the '10' that I gave it.

Although I suspected early on that this episode would be a sort of "it was all a dream"-type concept, that didn't detract from the story at all. I really like seeing recurring characters, so using Linda Lake -- a character that had already been introduced -- really helped the story to go forward without worrying about exposition relating to the "Freak of the Week." Even though Tori Spelling's performance was sort of campy, I think that it was obviously done intentionally and I didn't mind it whatsoever.

In addition, I thought all of the regulars were strong across the board here, and Davis especially was compelling throughout this episode. The chemistry between Clark and Lois continues to grow into something really fun to watch, and the fact that Lana is out of the picture for good now really seems to be helping the relationship to thrive.

There were also some cool special effects (mostly relating to Linda Lake's power and Doomsday) but they didn't detract from the plotline, which was nice. In general, there really isn't much to find fault with in this episode in my opinion, because even though it was based on a "gimmick" it was still a fantastic concept regardless.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to point this out, but was this episode presented in fullscreen anywhere else? Every single other episode of the show has been presented in widescreen, and I double-checked my television and everything but it looks like my local The CW affiliate (Cincinnati) broadcast it in fullscreen. Just curious to see if this happened to anyone else.

Mickey_Bickey

03-12-2009, 08:54 PM

Eh. Gave it an 8...with room for improvement!:p

Melissa, so funny!! I gave it an 8 too!! Not a 9, not a 10, but an 8 and definitely room for improvement!! So much for the kiss!!!:\

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I'll give it a 6. A solid episode, but I wasn't blown away. At least this episode had redeeming parts unlike Committed. The Chloe scenes were great, and Davis' storyline continuing to develop was nice, but the Clois scenes dragged the episode down a few notches.

Although I don't like the fact that Clark was bailed out by the Legion ring, it didn't come out of nowhere, and he got rid of it. He's learning that messing with time is dangerous. Not having that easy out will hopefully make him think twice about the actions he takes in the future.

I also like the fact that after Lana left, Clark didn't just sit around and mope. He threw himself into his hero duties. Stay away, Lana.

Lois I can always do without, but she wasn't intolerable. She didn't seem to be after just fame for once, which is an improvement.

No complaints on the Chloe front. Loved all her scenes, especially with Davis.

Yeah, but AC I don't like that he destroyed the ring, and seemingly Chloe's fate!!! I think that one deed has ruined it for Chloe's character, and I KNOW you're a huge Chloe fan, so I can say this to you! Doomsday was fearful in this episode, and he's saying things about Clark to her. She tried to tell Lois, but it was too late.

Glove

03-12-2009, 08:59 PM

It was average...I gave it a 5. The ending was the best part...The Davis
and Linda Lake part.

melissan02

03-12-2009, 08:59 PM

Melissa, so funny!! I gave it an 8 too!! Not a 9, not a 10, but an 8 and definitely room for improvement!! So much for the kiss!!!:\

I wasn't surprised at all though. I'd set myself up since "Bulletproof" that Clois from that point on would get battered the rest of this season. Seems that is the case. :\
ED pushed this episode to an 8. It wasn't that Clark was so bad (in a Supermanly sense), but his foolishness and insecurity STUNK!!!!!!:mad:

PinkPR08

03-12-2009, 09:00 PM

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ROTFL:rotfl: I KNOW!!!!!! We haven't heard anything about her in ages. I was like. Wow, they do still know each other.:D

LuckyLois

03-12-2009, 09:01 PM

Gave it a 9 because of the ending. Clark should have had a cup of coffee with Lois and I don't understand why he didn't. The rest was absolutely tremendous.

I'm with you Jack!

dunkman

03-12-2009, 09:02 PM

I gave it a 9. It was a great episode because it kept me guessing the whole time!

halvor311

03-12-2009, 09:04 PM

I disagree-there were too many plotholes. I didn't like how Clark zapped the heck out of Linda Lake (wasn't he afraid he could kill her?) just so he could protect his secret. And how did Linda find out about Davis-did I miss the explanation? And why on earth would a smart girl like her not be a little more cautious about encouraging a murderous beast to get angry alone in a room with her while she's restrained? Maybe she could have found another way to get to him? What was she thinking? I laughed when he turned on her-what else did she think would happen? Clark's motives overall in this episode seemed more selfish than usual. Can't quite explain it. I know his friends were in trouble when he told the truth but he seemed to turn back time to make it all go away because he couldn't handle it... not very Clark-like is it?

I gotta respond, I think you raise some ok points, but I'd like to reply if you don't mind. Number 1, Clark zapped Linda Lake knowing that it wouldn't kill her. Remember Chloe said how the people at Black Creek kept her solid using electricity, so he knew she wouldn't die. I was wondering about Davis as well, I think she was in the sewers a long time and must've seen the transformation by accident one time. And Linda Lake is a moron, but there's no way she could've known that he had no control. Clark's motives I agree were a little selfish, but not completely. Exposing his secret threatened Chloe and turned Lex into a hero. He turned back time in order to protect his friends, there was no other reason, plus he realized that the public wasn't ready for him which makes it go a little more slowly so that season 9 can have more to work with. Anyways, just wanted to respond.

As for my opinion of the episode, I gave it a 6. I thought this was a very anxiety provoking episode and I'm not a fan of those. I really don't like watching selfish morons like the lady who's husband died. I mean, Clark isn't GOD!!!! But what moved it from a 2 to a 6 was the Doomsday scenes. Those were SOOO Awesome!!!! I can't wait for an epic battle. I wonder how Clark will make it out alive in this and next season. This episode also did the Clois stuff really well. The reason Clark didn't show up for coffee is because he didn't want to burden Lois with his secret, and if you have a secret as big as Clark's you can't make a relationship work without telling the other person who you really are. Plus don't forget that the writers want to take this slowly. Lana and Clark didn't get completely together and completely happy until season 7, so they don't want to jump into Clois too soon. So overall, because of the anxiety this episode provoked me, and because I hate Linda Lake, I gave this a 6. Definitely the worst episode of the season so far, but not that bad.

bigteep

03-12-2009, 09:06 PM

Great episode except for that foolishness at the end. When I watch it again, I'll just skip over that part.

Alexander III

03-12-2009, 09:08 PM

I hate u!

AgentChaos

03-12-2009, 09:14 PM

Yeah, but AC I don't like that he destroyed the ring, and seemingly Chloe's fate!!! I think that one deed has ruined it for Chloe's character, and I KNOW you're a huge Chloe fan, so I can say this to you! Doomsday was fearful in this episode, and he's saying things about Clark to her. She tried to tell Lois, but it was too late.

I don't think so. If anything, it'll force the writers to be more creative in their problem solving. And I'm not worried about Chloe possibly dying by not having the Legion ring around.

skylar

03-12-2009, 09:14 PM

I hate u!

who?

susangail

03-12-2009, 09:14 PM

Gave it a 3. Liked the Doomsday scenes. I'm still really annoyed with the coffee scene.

WildGoatTamer

03-12-2009, 09:14 PM

6

The only thing I liked in this episode was Davis and a little bit of Chloe. Since when did Clois decided to replace Clana as this shows supply of angst? It's not like Lois was going to start interrogating Clark about his feelings and his secret over coffee! Sorry but it really got on my nerves.

I was really looking forward to Linda Lake (I think I'm to only person that actually liked her ;-) but it was a total let down. First of all her plan seemed kinda flimsly and Clark only helped her. Second what happened to Chloe? Chloe freakin kicked her into a car and destroyed her story, you would think Linda would be kinda P.Oed at her. XD

I loved the scene with Chloe and Clark in the forest! They felt like team on how they were looking out for eachother and plotting thier escape. BTW what was going to happen to Jimmy if they had run away? XD

Davis was completely believable this episode! I love that he figured out he was growing a resistance to the meds. My heart broke with in the scene where he told Chloe they couldn't be friends! SW you own my heart! :p Poor future!Chloe she probably got ripped to shreds! :eek:

Huntress87

03-12-2009, 09:15 PM

It made me angry that he left her hanging at the end, and knew what she felt for him. My beleif is that he was pushing her away so she wouldnt have to worry about a relationship w/ another hero. still a bad reason, but thats what i think he did. At the same time i was angry w/ a no kiss scene right before he left...seriously not fair. I thought it was spoiled that there would be one, instead they cut it again.
And i guess i knew they had to push them apart a little cuz she has to fall for "superman" before clark...but still. they coulda done a little more w/ them before he turned back time.
Other than that the scenes between them were great, she handled it well. i knew she'd ask what his powers were right away, and i knew he'd get there in time to pick her up at the airport the second time. still not very happy w/ the ending, but atleast the eppy was good, a little rushed, but good.

fridgy

03-12-2009, 09:20 PM

This was a great episode:), though I didn't like the fact that Clark destroyed the 'L' ring. It's dangerous but he should feel responsible enough to have it around. Maybe he's afraid what other could do with it...in which case I agree. It would not be much of a challenge for him if all he has to do is reverse time and save the day...
Really great episode and i'm still anticipating what's next.
Tom and the rest of the cast did a great job. I do feel smallville is back...
I wish though most episode were like that but they often reveal disapointing.

Are they ever going to have a 90 minutes of smallville... I cannot stand those long commercial breaks...:mad:

Huntress87

03-12-2009, 09:21 PM

-Nora-

03-12-2009, 09:23 PM

It's my favorite Clois episode ever. Yes, it even beats Committed for me. What we saw between Clois tonight was more real and more adult than anything I've ever seen on this show. It was a man and a woman who know they feel deeply about each other, but the time just isn't right yet. It's too soon. And yet they figure this out without petty jealousy, drama or other highschool teeny drama crap. And this is why I will always support this pairing in ANY version.

superjude

03-12-2009, 09:24 PM

Absolutely LOVED it!!!!! I thought it was handled perfectly. Even though I didn't get the kiss that I was hoping for, it all mad some kind of sense to me. And my husband said he liked it too, which is a miracle. One of my sons, who watched with me, said it was great! It is a happy night for me. But, I missed the trailer at the end. Can't wait to se that.
Okay, so let's not rush Lois and Clark then.

STFanatic

03-12-2009, 09:27 PM

Karafan1

03-12-2009, 09:29 PM

I give it a 9. I think it's funny that Clark went back in time just as Lois was telling him Davis is Doomsday. He can't find out this early in the season:lol: The Lois/Linda Lake stuff was good. I was hoping Davis would finish off Linda when he went in her room:D I liked the end, but I'm hoping they eventually get together sometime this season..

-Nora-

03-12-2009, 09:29 PM

Okay, so let's not rush Lois and Clark then.

Definitely not. And honestly? It wouldn't surprise me if Durance had something to do with how it eventually went down. In interviews she keeps stressing vehemently that she wants the Clois relationship to progress slowly, that it makes sense for both Lois and Clark as characters and that when the fans will get a huge pay off in the end, it'll mean something.

And this is why I love Durance to pieces. She cares. She actually cares and fights for her character and gets Lois like noone else.

Marfeic2011

03-12-2009, 09:31 PM

good episode gave it 9, but way to predictable, and plus tori spelling no offense is quite ugly.

Tori is the reason i gave this show a seven - having D list actors on this show really drags its credibility down into the mud - she is soooo washed up that I can't imagine why they would cast her again - or to begin with. She seriously bother me, I liked seeing how it would be if people found out about Clark's identity - I didn't like how he elctrocuted her at the end - he could have killed and even though I would LOVE to see that - it wasn't in keeping with his character. And gag - the ring - what a shock huh? Do you think they could be more predictable? What ever happened to creativity? And boy will he be kicking himself later on for destroying that thing - he'll regret it for sure. Truth is, although I watch the show still out of morbid curiousity, I am more into some of the series fan fics on this sitesm especially the AU's - which I am writing one as well. To me the show is just a jumping off place - the really good stories and the really good writing and creativity are elsewhere - sometimes I feel like the show's writers don't really know where they are going with all this - like they forget this show was supposed to eventually go in a super-manly direction. Well the fans haven't. that said - it was a vast improvement from the lana arc which I think everyone can agree was dragging the show down hard - so the only way it can go now is up, up and away....

kris10

03-12-2009, 09:32 PM

8
I LOVED that Chloe gave him THE idea for double identity. Fricking AWESOME!
yea i think that chloe's fate is sealed...:( not great idea....
I cant believe im gonna say this but he should have coffee with her its not like they are having sex or anything? idk what the big deal about coffee or maybe its the really good kind that means they are married as soon as he drinks it....LOL. it bordering on Clana crap. cant he grow up a little bit and just have coffee with the dame??????

what the hell is up with Tori Spelling's face wow.....

superclark1818

03-12-2009, 09:35 PM

I liked it but wished that clark would have kept lois in the loop

dcf

03-12-2009, 09:35 PM

I may be a minority but I liked Tori Spelling, I have never seen her on any other show before, and I think she did very well in her part on the show. We were supposed to hate her character and she pulled it off very well.
"Anyone can do comedy, but to pull off a convincing drama is a challenge."

I don't disagree with your post but the last line I will challenge-you can easily switch the words comedy and drama in your sentence and have an equal chance of winning that argument. But Tori didn't bug me either. She did alright-very unlikeable as she should be. Too me I know an actor is good when they can make me hate them in one character and love them in another... so she's halfway there!

SnowBird

03-12-2009, 09:37 PM

I really enjoyed having a new episode this week and it was very good. This will reinforce the need for a dual identity for Clark. He now knows that Lois is okay with him being alien, but for her own protection, he will still keep his secret from her. Linda Lake was convincing at being evil. Davis has discovered what will keep him from turning into Doomsday and I'm thinking that Isis could be his source for the meteor infected. It was nice to see Clark contact his mom which probably has been going on all along in offscreenville. Lois and Clark were great together in their scenes. Clark said she was special and by his actions he is falling in love with her. I can understand why he didn't meet with Lois for coffee. It is too soon for him to follow up on his feelings just after his breakup with Lana and no one wants Lois to be a rebound girl. When Clark went back in time, I was glad he picked Lois up on time from the airport. I was surprised he destroyed the ring but he realized that it would be extremely dangerous for it to fall into the wrong hands. We found out that Jor-El is gone from the Fortress and it is still damaged. I'm wondering how the FOS is going to be fixed. A number of things revealed that will play out in future episodes. All the actors did a great job and I gave the episode a 9.

dcf

03-12-2009, 09:38 PM

I didn't like how he elctrocuted her at the end - he could have killed and even though I would LOVE to see that - it wasn't in keeping with his character.

That's what I was trying to explain earlier-sure Chloe told him that's how Linda was kept under control in the past but he didn't know how much electricity she could handle and it was hard to see somebody trying to escape from Clark Kent and him brutally electrocuting her. Very un-Supermanly imo.

Faby

03-12-2009, 09:46 PM

Gave it a 3. Liked the Doomsday scenes. I'm still really annoyed with the coffee scene.

I am with you on this...i gave it a 5 just for the last scene. Lois looked so hopeful waiting for him, but on the other hand, Clark showed up!

STFanatic

03-12-2009, 09:46 PM

I don't disagree with your post but the last line I will challenge-you can easily switch the words comedy and drama in your sentence and have an equal chance of winning that argument. But Tori didn't bug me either. She did alright-very unlikeable as she should be. Too me I know an actor is good when they can make me hate them in one character and love them in another... so she's halfway there!

That was a quote I used from the movie "Wild Roomies" ;)

gtw

03-12-2009, 09:49 PM

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03-12-2009, 09:50 PM

dsfjr1190

03-12-2009, 09:53 PM

I gave it a 9. If Clark wouldn't have stood up Lois at the end I would have gave it a 10.

Regardless, it was an amazing episode.

redkryptoniteisthebest

03-12-2009, 09:53 PM

I freakin' loved it! It was one of the best episodes of Smallville. Ever.

STFanatic

03-12-2009, 09:53 PM

superjude

03-12-2009, 09:54 PM

It is going to be fun being part of the chase and the progress of the relationship. I do not want it to happen in one episode- I want it to last for a while. ED was wonderful and really played her part exceptionally. Clark , he had me worried once or twice, but it all turned out okay. He is really kind of smart to have not made a move, even though I wish he hadn't skipped on the cafe. But, now he really has something to think about now, doesn't he. And I don't just mean Lois, I also mean the dual identity. He may have said no now but he will definitely think about it!

redkryptoniteisthebest

03-12-2009, 09:55 PM

monel49

03-12-2009, 09:59 PM

Welcome back Smallville! Great ep, gave it a 9. Am very happy with the chemistry between Lois and Clark. Lots of stuff happened here and the writers did a great job. Now that Lana is history, lets keep going with the real Superman arc. Really happy with this season.

House of Brock

03-12-2009, 10:00 PM

Best of the season so far. Excellent work, the coffee scene was definitely warranted, I liked it alot. Sets things up. 10/10

Alicia Chipy

03-12-2009, 10:00 PM

My rating would have been higher if Clark has manned up and talked to Lois.

BadToad

03-12-2009, 10:05 PM

-Nora-

03-12-2009, 10:10 PM

sithius

03-12-2009, 10:14 PM

7

I just wish they can make an episode of Clark figuring out stuff for himself without doing time reversal. The ending scene was terrible and angsty crap like that should be saved for Lana

How is it angsty? Clark knows Lois has developed feelings for him, it was evident in the speech she gave him before he went back in time. I saw a guy feeling upset for her at the end, not someone looking ready to cry (something we saw plenty of times in past seasons with Clana). Clark hasn't fully realized his feelings for Lois yet, so he certainly wasn't angsty in any way, shape or form. And anyway, if you don't like the idea of this supposed 'angst' then you should stay away from Superman, because Superman and Lois will have a relationship, and it will be far from angsty. I don't know why you think a relationship is always going to be drab...

Great episode, 9/10 for me.

Seeya'round Smallville

03-12-2009, 10:15 PM

Thank you for posting Glen! And thank you even more for the episode, you did a great job! I really did enjoy it and it was a welcome return to form for the show. These are the stories we want to see! I'm glad we will have you all for at least one more year! :)

loistickyfingerz

03-12-2009, 10:17 PM

I thought it was pretty good. The story was good, but somehow the dialogue and characters seems kind of stilted. Just my opinion.

snookie16

03-12-2009, 10:20 PM

The scene I was most impressed with was the scene in the farm house with the bullets bouncing off of Clark.
Classic indeed, it reminded me of scenes from the original "The Adventures of Superman" with George Reeves.
Of course I believe modern Superman doesn't let the bullets ricochet around for fear of them hitting someone else.
I loved the "Mini-Me" Clark scene too :lol:

I may be a minority but I liked Tori Spelling, I have never seen her on any other show before, and I think she did very well in her part on the show. We were supposed to hate her character and she pulled it off very well.
"Anyone can do comedy, but to pull off a convincing drama is a challenge."

I loved the continuity with the bullets bouncing off of Clark chest they all do great effects. On another note I loved Tori Spelling playing a a villian it brought her out of her typicall nice girl role. It not the first time she played a villian becayse in the 80s she did a little movie called Troop Beverly Hills where she played a member of the red feathers group and so I love he acting, because also I was a fan of the orginal Beverly Hills 90210 show. You are not in the minority in my eyes.

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I LOVED that Chloe gave him THE idea for double identity. Fricking AWESOME!
yea i think that chloe's fate is sealed...:( not great idea....
I cant believe im gonna say this but he should have coffee with her its not like they are having sex or anything? idk what the big deal about coffee or maybe its the really good kind that means they are married as soon as he drinks it....LOL. it bordering on Clana crap. cant he grow up a little bit and just have coffee with the dame??????

what the hell is up with Tori Spelling's face wow.....

I loved the Chlark scenes in this episode and I do agree with you on Chloe fate being sealed, but there is a little part that hope they will pull in a twist. It says in the next episoded that Clark will finally accept the idea of having a duel identity. I also loved that they started with previously on Smallville for the storylines. Also I did not like the fact Clark did not have coffee with Lois either, but again he has his insecurities. Also I think Clark is afraid to to get hurt again. I admit I have been watching season four again and he doing the same thing he did with Chloe by protecting her not letting them know his secret.

The part about Chloe fate being sealed with Davis. I was not fully convinced about this storyline until this episode and it got me sort of onboard with Chlabvis ship and this storyline is intriguing.

twirl0408

03-12-2009, 10:24 PM

I think this episode would have been better if it had been longer. I know they have to stay within their time restraints but it was just too much story to fit into forty minutes. A two-parter might have been appropriate.

colibri

03-12-2009, 10:24 PM

I gave it a 9. Would have given it a 10 except for 2 things: Tori Spelling's acting and a bit too much Chloe as Clark's brain again.

But I though the episode was fantastic. I could understand what happened with Clark and the need to slow things down between him and Lois and to set things up for the triangle for two, which will be fun. I'm sure that in the future Clark might regret not going up to Lois at the coffee shop because he will be jealous of himself.

Durance was, again, incredible in her portrayal here. The woman has amazing range and never falls into bathos.

quietone

03-12-2009, 10:29 PM

Unfortunately, I was distracted for much of the episode but from the bits and pieces I saw it looked good. I'll have a better idea after re-watching the episode uninterrupted.

Mr. Winter, thank you for posting! Enjoy your time off and see you next season!

fly'n special

03-12-2009, 10:32 PM

What a great episode! Mr. Winter, thanks for the post! It means alot to us that you take the time to post. Keep these kind of episodes coming.
Everyone on the show was so good tonight! I absolutely love Erica Durance! i liked her from when she started on the show but this year she has really showed us so much more!

DavidM2

03-12-2009, 10:32 PM

8-I actually like how Clark didn't show up for the coffee...they're going to take the relationship a bit slower, which is actually very smart, considering they have another season to develop it.
I liked Chloe a lot in this one. I'm still scared for her future though. if she went right to Lois with Dooms's identity, why isn't she going to again in the future??

superspider02

03-12-2009, 10:37 PM

Well tonight's episode was pretty good i thought. Nice to finally be off of hiatus and having lois back is another great thing. I thought the lois and clark scenes were great, same with the clark and chloe scenes. Tom have great chemistry with both erica and allison. I loved the tension between clark and lois at the start of the episode and at the end when he used the legion ring to restart things over again.

I loved the scene where he revealed his seceret to lois and then the following scenes of the city loving him. I thought they all worked well and the acting during those scenes where great. Then linda lake/tori spelling i thought she was a bit better acting this time around compared to hydro back in season 6. Though she is a crappy actress. Glad to see her character got it in the end by davis/doomsday.

Speaking of which the continuing storyline with davis/chloe and his doomsday beast form is moving along nicely. His scenes with chloe at the hospital and isis were pretty good. Also nice to see dd form once again. The suit looks great. To bad chloe's message in the original timeline never got to clark. Stupid clark couldnt wait to after lois had to say what she said.

As for lois during the time she knew i thought it was great and she acted wonderfully and was a good ally for clark and was on his back. As for the legion ring being used it was the most logical device since the fos/jorel is still damaged and the episode wasnt a dream/AU setting. Sad to see the ring was destroyed by clark as he said in the end of the episode.

As for the ending it sucks clark didnt decide to meet up lois to discuss the last time they where together and the whole almost kissing. I wish they where not dragging it out more but they have the rest of this season and next season to get the whole lois and clark together plot.

As for next week looks to be an interesting episode and i cant wait to see how things play out for everyone.

thehenry89

03-12-2009, 10:58 PM

Loved this episode, it was my 3rd favorite of the year.

NoSupeForYou

03-12-2009, 11:03 PM

I gave it a 9.
Tori Spelling actually makes me physically ill. Also, saw a few appearances of the BDA. After Linda tells him she's been spying on him he talks loudly about the Green K and the Legion ring?

I loved the discussion with Chloe about the cape and dual identity. The Clois was great and the end scene fit perfectly. I would have found it less believable if he had joined her for coffee. Hurt someone to avoid a greater hurt; that's a tough position to be in. I don't think he could have gone for just coffee and he knew it as well.

Bre723

03-12-2009, 11:08 PM

I gave it a 9, I don't really like Tori Spelling though, her acting is just bad,lol.
But besides that a terrific episode!
The last scene breaks my heart =(.
When Lois says that she's "chasing a lead" and couldn't make it anyways.
And the music was great as well, I'm glad that they are finally using music again.

I LOOOVED the Doomsday/Chlavis scenes.
It killed me when Lois was just about to say that Davis was Doomsday, and stupid Clark didn't wait for it.
Oh and when Clark said "it's because you're special".
awwwwww, that was a good moment, that whole scene was great.

Oh and wet Tom was a-okay with me ;).

Great episode.

EternalTwilight

03-12-2009, 11:08 PM

Best. Episode. Ever.

BWOracle

03-12-2009, 11:08 PM

10+++++++++

Maybe my favorite Smallville episode of the series. Although, I would have liked to have extended his reveal to Lois and his celebration of the masses, considering what was accomplished in 40 minutes...AWESOME Plus I predicted the last two episode endings verbatim so I'm on a roll.

I'd have a lot more to say but I'm off to watch my DVD recording ASAP.

Bre723

03-12-2009, 11:09 PM

Also, saw a few appearances of the BDA.

lol, it made an "appearance", I love it.

dotsie23

03-12-2009, 11:09 PM

I really enjoyed this episode! I loved Lois and Clark's screen time together and the scene between Linda Lake and Doomsday! Wow! and there was nothing in it I didn't like...Oh except for Clark standing up poor Lo like that! But all-in-all, a great eppy for me! 10

Crouching Lurker

03-12-2009, 11:10 PM

I stayed off the boards until I could watch the show and form my honest opinion w/o being swayed by other posts. Lol, it was hard, I couldn't wait to find out what everyone else thought. But here goes my take:

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Overall Rating: 8

Clark, ever the slow learner. Every time he tampers with time, there are consequences. He needs to start thinking things through before he does them. Like, I dunno, waiting for Lois to finish her sentence about Davis. Dumb as dishwater, he will pay for that mistake.

I liked Chlark’s first scene because Chloe acted as the audience so we could see his thought process about going public. But I hated their last scene because she has to give him the idea to make a dual identity? Hasn’t he connected the dots on his own by now? :confused:

Loved defensive and pissed off Lois at the beginning. I think it's safe to say she knows about Clana, Part XIV. I enjoyed her zinger about not being high on his priority list. He had the guilty look I feel he deserved to have. Was it wrong to giggle when Tori/Linda said she’d been circling the drain of obscurity? heh :lol: But the old gal came to play hardball, I’ll give her that. I thought her and Lois’ scenes were really good; I especially loved the beat down Lois laid on Linda.

Clark to Lois: “You’re speechless, that’s never a good thing.” :rotfl:

It was nice to see Chloe remembered she had a husband. :rolleyes: Better late than never I guess. Chloe/Doomsdavis scene was scary!! When his eyes turned red and he stalked her.

Clois scene in the barn blew me away. I wasn’t expecting Lois to get that deep with Clark. She was ready to stand by her hero and not let him go, like she did with Ollie. And Clark surprised me by telling her that she was special. That was a little bit of progress on Clark’s part, I want to hear more about how he feels, but it was a good start. He’ll remember that barn talk even though she won’t. I don’t understand why he doesn’t think he can tell her this time around, though. I think PS3 is trying to create obstacles where there really doesn’t need to be any. Which reminds me…

I hated the last Clois scene with the angsty, emo music, that’s the same kind of crap they used with Clana. It’s annoying to see them using it with Clois. Welcome to Smallville. :rolleyes: For that, the rushed nature of the beginning of the episode, and the quick fix with the Legion ring, I had to give this episode an 8. But those are minor quibbles; it was a very enjoyable episode overall and a nice set up for the rest of the season.

krysyuy

03-12-2009, 11:12 PM

Lovely episode - 9/10.

I'm probably rating it a 9 largely in part to ED's acting chops and her return as Lois Lane. I missed her so much.

Personally, I felt they did the Clois just right - not too much, but still enough. I also liked the Chlark friendship stuff we got as well. And I'm not at all annoyed with the ending. Clark was very much in-character there. I think there was a hint of something more, but he's still getting over the whole Lana debacle. It's understandable. Go the slow route, have Lois build up her walls and chase the RBB. There's time. (Now if S8 were it, I think I'd be screaming rather than sitting back and waiting for the episode to appear on iTunes. ;))

I have no idea why, but this episode in particular made me really like Chloe. Seriously, it's really random. (Perhaps it's because of how she reacted to Davis' news.) Go figure.

My two complaints, aside for Tori Spelling's acting, is Clark getting the double identity idea from Chloe and the fact Clark couldn't wait a few more seconds to hear what Lois had to say. :rolleyes: Well, can't have everything.

NoSupeForYou

03-12-2009, 11:14 PM

Who

03-12-2009, 11:15 PM

Lois was excellent. Glad to see Tori Spelling back as Linda Lake. Clark getting shot up was cool. Chloe/Davis scenes were good. Liked how they had Clark talking with his mom. The episode was a big old what if episode. Not sure what the electricity did to Linda Lake. Did she loose her power? Did she forget about Clark? For a second I thought Oh great Clark is killing to protect his secret now too. Didn't like how Clark ran away instead of fighting in the end. Overall my least favorite episode of the season so far. I give it a 4.

JoeyVille

03-12-2009, 11:21 PM

I gave it a 10!

This episode kept me wanting more with each passing scene. But tell me WHY???...... i mean why clark could not just have one little tiny cup of coffee with Lois? WE all know the stories of clark and lois getting together Light years down the road but, smallville isnt Superman its smallville so why not give the Fan lovers a Little taste of whats to come!

Unsound

03-12-2009, 11:26 PM

Loved everything about it.

STFanatic

03-12-2009, 11:28 PM

Welcome to KryptonSite JoeyVille :D

I thought him not joining her was OK, I feel his reason was not because he didn't want to get close yet, but more like he didn't trust himself not to give in and start the whole thing over again by breaking down and spilling his guts because he had feelings he didn't trust yet.

NoSupeForYou

03-12-2009, 11:34 PM

TayLaneBloom

03-12-2009, 11:37 PM

i gave it a 7!
it wasn't they way I expected, that's for shure.
But it was really intenss! WOW! makes me cry, really, and a lot!
it's not like it was a perfect episode, but it was only right... Not like most of episodes in Smallville, this passes something real, like real felling, things that people deal with in they'r lives. Like Lois and Clark, and his fear of hurting her if he tells her his secret again, or Clark's hope and wish to be accepted for who he really is.

and besides all the rush of felling playing in my head, the episode had great action scenes, and Doomsday was really amazing.

a noticed lot of people are angry about the fact that Clark "stood up" on Lois, but it's nothing like that.
i mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a Lois Lane fan till the end of times, and it hurts me like hell, seeing her that sad, but i think that scene was important, to show Clark's feelings, and how affraid he is that she might get hurt if he tells her his secrets.
Infamous makes a huge change in Clark's mind.
He's strugling with this new feelings he has for Lois, and he doesn't really know what they mean, and it's amazing to see how they put his and hers emotions out there.. they where true with one another, and it was great to see it.

so, I really enjoyed the episode. It didn't play the way a thought it would, but it was even more amazing, but in a very different way.

Everyone will see the changes in Clark's mind after Infamous, no doubt about that.

AgentChaos

03-12-2009, 11:42 PM

It was nice to see Chloe remembered she had a husband. :rolleyes: Better late than never I guess.

Chloe never forgot about Jimmy. She was on her way to see him at the end of Legion, and again in Bulletproof. It's not like she hasn't given him a thought since the wedding. She's just been traveling back and forth between Smallville and Star City for the month since then.

kjedi

03-12-2009, 11:42 PM

I did give it an 8, but everything seemed so rushed to me. Why couldn't they have made this a 2 hour comeback? It definitely could have been paced better with additional time.

Lois looked so hot in the elevator with Lake, though.

It's interesting that Davis seemed to be so shock about changing into Doomsday, but he's okay with killing to stop the transformation? I mean he did dump the drugs. It seems like he's willing to do whatever it takes to not be Doomsday.

Lois looked sooo hot in the barn, too. Also when she kicked Lake's butt.

OK. Lois = Super Hot

STFanatic

03-12-2009, 11:47 PM

Maybe Davis thinks he can just go after "bad guys" and keep it under control.

A "lesser of two evils" mindset.

kjedi

03-13-2009, 12:05 AM

@STFanatic You're probably right. It'll be interesting to see where all this goes with Chloe, especially after looking at the Spoilers section.

And, Lois is sooo hot. 'nuff said. She's better looking than all of the Lois' past. Except for maybe Teri Hatcher, she was soo hot in Lois & Clark.

halvor311

03-13-2009, 12:10 AM

Ok, I'm reading posts and a lot of people are whining about the Clois stuff and the "angsty" stuff. I have to respond, everyone saying this is assuming that all "real" men have no emotions and can't get hurt. Clark is just like any other person without his powers, he has emotions and he will hurt when things don't go his way. So of course he's going to want to be with Lana, of course he's going to break down and possibly cry over never getting to be with Lana, and OF COURSE he will worry about getting hurt again with Lois. People have got to stop complaining and playing down the idea that Clark has feelings and emotions. He isn't a Terminator!!!! Superman has these same kinds of feelings.

doomvskal86

03-13-2009, 12:12 AM

A 8 good ep just some loose ends I didn't like, but overall a good ep.

Bilza

03-13-2009, 12:13 AM

10!! I just watched it now. One of the best this season. The ending just proved that Clark has feelings for Lois as much she he has for him. They're doing their best to avoid each other but for how long?

In some ways this was like Reckoning but this time didn't end up with a tragedy but it may do in the long run because Clark didn't learn the truth about Davis Bloome. Strange how Clark just put the ring on as Lois was about reveal something important but I guess he just thought he didn't want to put her in any more danger. This is why like many times he thinks by revealing his secret, it puts them in danger.

The sad part about this episode is obviously Lois. You have to feel for her. :(

Overall very good episode. Ending was good but sad (with the Clark/Lois texting..very romantic) and nice twists. The only thing that's rescuing season 8 is the Lois and Clark chemistry and maybe Doomsday which is why I continue watching the show. This is what's defining about Season 8. It's more about Lois and Clark and I enjoy it.

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I liked it a lot more than the rest of this season to be honest. The first 14 episodes had some good ideas, like Clark accepting his destiny, but from an overall point of view I just don't think they were as spectacular as the majority seemed to think (well at least about the first 10-11). Something was missing to me, besides Michael as Lex.

Nonetheless I thought Infamous was better overall, not perfect nor up there with the likes of Descent, Memoria, Exile, Aslyum and Shattered. But still a lot more enjoyable, at least to me, than anything else so-far this season. I have not really enjoyed watching the show since Quest and parts of Arctic. But tonight it felt more like Smallville to me again, than a show with a great outlook but still something missing.

Not keen about season 9, but as far as the remainder of season 8 goes, if they can keep it up with decent episodes and throw some great ones in, I think the rest of this year will be really good. But I will remain on the fence until 8022 airs.

That is absolutely right. Well said! Exactly my feelings! You mentioned some of my favourite episodes there and true as good as this episode is, it's not in the same league as those classic episodes. Although I'm still keen on Season 9 if they bring back MR's Lex (my favourite character/actor) perhaps for a few episodes.

superdoomsday

03-13-2009, 12:35 AM

A 7. BIG IMPROVEMENT over the the poop bag of CLANA filled episodes and a return to the awesomeness of the first 10 episodes but still this episode was far from perfect. It was far too fast. 1 minute Clark is worshipped, the next he is hated.
Clois was too subtle. I was hoping for more and I hated when Clark ignored her warning about Doomsday and stood her up:mad:. Davis was cool and like the way she was in her last episode, Linda Lake was an annoying little @#%*^$> (I know this is kinda a sick thought, but I loved it when Davis killed her. She DESERVED IT!:lol:)! Anyway, good episode but it did not redeem Clana.:\ And by the way, hearing Clark finally talk to his mom after TWO WHOLE YEARS was GREAT. At least I know Martha's not dead.:) But where's Shelby? :D

mfarhaniqbal33

03-13-2009, 12:52 AM

drvr8

03-13-2009, 12:54 AM

the ending was a heartbreaker and you just wanted him to have the courage to face her...felt teased and abused but in a good way. Clark just wasn't ready to face his trrue feelings there and didn't want to be another hero in Lois' life who ends up walking away on her again. Can't wait till Hex.

10.

coco#1

03-13-2009, 12:58 AM

loved this episode.reminds me of the Incredible Hulk #182(or it could be 183) the issue where Hulk loses his friend crakerjack jackson, a friend he finally made, but loses in the end

ginnyfan

03-13-2009, 01:04 AM

I really enjoyed this episode. I was so happy that I gave it a 10 but a 9 is probably more appropriate.

Mai4et0

03-13-2009, 01:12 AM

10 the most amazing episode for now!

svtwamedfan05

03-13-2009, 01:15 AM

Loved it! 10!

AChloeChick

03-13-2009, 01:16 AM

Hi
Happy to hear that most of you enjoyed Infamous. I am currently prepping my last episode of the season, Injustice. Tom is directing and is doing a great job of course. Just wanted to thank you all for your incredibly faithful support. Though I don't often have time to read the forums regularly, when I do check them out, I am continually amazed at your loyalty, and the intelligence of your reviews. I am about to have a couple of months off, but I am very excited next year, I hope you are too. This is a great place to come to work every day !
Once again, you guys rock.
All the best
Glen Winter

Mr. Glen Winter, director man,

This episode was pretty darn good. I'm by no means a Clois fan (sorry, never have been and never will be), but this episode handled them better than most of the season. You all actually took some time to show, not tell and that was a little refreshing (especially after being hit over the head with way too many anvils in the first half [we get it already]).

I absolutely LOVED all the Chlark goodness and am thrilled to have real Chloe and real Chlark back. Tom Welling and Allison Mack have the most amazing chemistry; Chlark is by far the all-time best relationship in television history!

There is NO doubt casting Sam Witwer as Davis/Doomsday was the perfect decision. At first when I heard Chloe would be 'involved' with a triangle that included Doomsday, I was SO ticked off I just about didn't tune in this season.

Then I figured, what the heck! Sam is Julliard trained and Allison is such an excellent actress why not give it a try. I'm glad I did. This has been the most intriguing story Smallville has had in years (since S5). The chemistry between Allison and Sam is off-the-charts.

BUT, I want you and the rest of the crew to know I, along with Chloe fans worldwide, are absolutely PISSED off over the probability that Chloe will die. I also want you all to know IF that's the case, I will NOT be back for next season, and I know plenty of other Chloe fans who won't be either.

Thank you for giving us an enjoyable episode, and for taking you time to post here. Enjoy your time off!

alejandrita439

03-13-2009, 01:20 AM

10 :)

La Donna

03-13-2009, 01:42 AM

I'm going to do a review later, but I wanted to say two things:

1. I would never characterize what Clark did as standing Lois up. I don't even really think that it had anything to do with not making the same mistakes he did with Lana, or not wanting to rush into a new relationship because of his hurt feelings from the end of his relationship with Lana. It was made clear throughout the course of this episode that Lois still loves Clark and now we know that Clark is either in love with Lois or falling in love with her. Every conversation they had in this episode was full of meaning, emotion, and purpose.

I think the only thing Clark was feeling when he stood on that street corner watching Lois at the coffee shop is that he only has two choices: he could choose to let his feelings be known to Lois and start a romantic relationship or he could refuse the relationship because he is worried about Lois's safety as being connected to him. In his mind, he can't start a relationship with her and still keep her safe. He doesn't see any way to be in a healthy relationship right now because he feels forced to keep his secret from Lois to keep her safe, and he can't reveal the secret because he wants to keep her safe.

His face in that scene was a sad acceptance of the choice he felt was right, and that choice is that keeping Lois safe is more important than his own desire to be with Lois. Therefore, he looked at her and realized the implications of this. He can't have Lois by choosing to keep his secret, and he can't reveal his secret and ensure that she remains safe. He felt bad, period. And when she texted him back, he felt heartbroken because to him that was Lois saying "whatever, no big deal", and so he felt not only slightly rejected, but also sad because at least part of him realized that she was hurting in some form.

The whole thing was sad, but for me, it was a wonderful and meaningful kind of sad. This was in no way the angst that Smallville has done in the past. With the spoilers for Hex that confirm that Clark has at that point obviously fallen in love with Lois and Chloe realizes it and then the spoiler for Stiletto that the phone booth scene is the most romantic of these eight episodes, it has to be that the triangle is approaching, and for once, this will be a positive triangle that has meaning and doesn't end up destroying people's lives or pooping on people's happiness. Clark will feel slightly jealous of himself, of course, but he'll still know it's him as the blur and that Lois is only having feelings for the other side of Clark that Lois doesn't know about.

2. YES!!!! I knew that Chloe would never choose to betray Clark or put him in danger because of her friendship with Davis. While there are events to come that show's Chloe becoming closer to Davis and becoming distant from Clark, I think this shows that clearly Chloe is only with Davis and helping him because she believes that he is not a bad guy and that whatever weird thing that is happening to him can be fixed in some way. She had no clue that he's kryptonian, that he's a threat to Clark, that he's Doomsday, that he has murdered anybody, that he's a threat to her friends, or that he can't be saved from his Doomsday side. And the second she found out that he could be a danger to Clark or the world, what did my girl do..... Oh, I'll tell you and I'll do it happily.... she told him not to hurt Clark and ran the freak away as fast as she could. I KNEW IT!!!! My Chloe would never side with Davis if she knew any of the truths about him.

I still believe that when the next few episodes roll around, she won't be aware of his nature or his actions. He's obviously too afraid of losing her and doesn't want her to find out the truth about him. He's going to GREAT LENGTHS to keep it a secret from Chloe and the spoilers for Turbulence show he's going to EVEN GREATER LENGTHS to keep Chloe in the dark about who he really is. By the time, Stiletto and Beast roll around, I think she'll know by then that Davis has this Beast that emerges out of him that is dangerous. I don't think she will know the whole truth though and I don't think she would still choose to be his buddy or his main squeeze because of her overlooking his crimes. I'm of the firm belief that her remaining with Davis in 18-22 will only be because she's trying to get rid of Doomsday but save Davis. I think she'll be on the run with him to keep him away from others while she tries to find a way to save Davis. I'm just so freaking happy that they included that scene and everyone saw that Chloe sides with Clark, just like I knew would happen. She would never knowingly let anything happen to him, and would not stick with Davis because she overlooks his actions and just has warm fuzzy feelings when he's in the shower. Not my Chloe, no way no how! Fallen One, even you had to be cheering her when she told Davis that there's no way she'll let him hurt Clark? Come on, you know you did. You were probably like "Go Chloe, Go Chloe, Go Chloe"..... well, maybe you weren't doing that, but I'm sure you can now find at least one nice thing to say about my girl Chloe. Come on, just one? Pretty Please? My girl earned a nice comment from you;)

Wow, that's a long post for just wanted to address two issues. Maybe I should skip a review this time to save everyone from the long posts...

Sar_Bear

03-13-2009, 01:49 AM

8
Simply because Clois fans keep getting their chain yanked

cloisthelegendbegins

03-13-2009, 01:53 AM

EVEN MORE WARNING THAN USUAL OF REALLY LONG POST! Skip at will with aid of sidebar :o Though in fairness I do think I make some valid points ;) But then I would think that wouldn't I? :o

Having now watched the episode twice, I gotta say it's just as good the second time around :D Can't say how much of a relief that is after the rollercoaster ride and devastation I felt thanks to the fiasco of Power and Requiem. Have I forgotten they happened? HELL NO! I should be so lucky. Where's a good mind wipe when you need one, huh? But the fact it seems the show hasn't forgotten them either goes a long way with me. I feared we'd get a band aid placed over the gaping wound, so color me surprised :p

This was always gonna be a great follow up to Identity. They said this year the theme was dual identities and with the continuation of Davis' decline into Doomsday it's great to see the parallel of Clark's ever increasing steps towards becoming the guy in the cape we're all waiting for. Identity opened up the possibility to Clark of the world seeing what he does as symbolic of hope. I'll never forget the look on his face when people saw Oliver on the roof and Clark looked around at their reactions. Same when he saw their reaction to the RBB headline the next day. And he's lived in fear his whole life of people accepting him for who and what he is, so to have him get a glimpse of that reaction in Infamous was GREAT. Nicely done show. And another piece of the puzzle for Clark.

LOIS IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lord but I've missed her. 100 days off my TV screen was 93 too long. I get how it fitted into the storyline, but it didn't make it any easier to take and having Lois say the line: "Nice to be back" was met with a HELL YEAH in my house! I'm glad it was made clear there had been SOME contact with Clark while she was gone and I'm glad she was mad at him for 'forgetting' about her. The fact she was apparently so low on his list of priorities is exactly how a lot of Lois fans have felt when it came to both Clark and the show itself, so it helped hearing her say it but it reminded me of how awful it was to see her walking away in slow motion at the end of Bride. :( I don't want the same angst and melodrama for Lois that Lana had in seasons past. And I sincerely hope that's not what we're going to get in the future. The characters are theoretically MORE MATURE now. Be nice if they came to relationships with that same maturity. But I'll get to that later.

Linda Lake coming back was PERFECT for this story I thought. It added to the kind of continuity this season has been much better with than previous seasons. And as a big fan of continuity this episode made me very happy. Linda needing her career back after a long absence we learned was due to more than her previous villainy was completely believable and the fact blackmailing Clark picked up on the storyline from season six tied it all in very nicely. Adding Black Creek to the mix was clever too. Good writing.

Chloe's conversation with Clark was the kind of conversation I love to see between these two. She gave him a different POV on coming out to the world. He debated it back. Both sides of the argument had merit but Clark, rather than blindly taking someone elses advice, stuck to his guns and had the courage of his convictions. This is SO much better than having his thinking done for him by someone else. EVERY SINGLE TIME this show uses another character to do Clark's thinking for him IT WEAKENS HIM. He's not a kid anymore. Nor is he an angst ridden teenager bouncing a ball against a wall in the barn - THANK GOD. So more scenes like this between Chloe and Clark and Clark and anybody else would be MORE than welcome. Really liked this scene. Chloe was right, but Clark had to find out on his own. THAT goes more towards his character development than anything else in my opinion. It's HIS journey after all...

The big reveal to Lois was PERFECT. Both Tom and Erica NAILED THIS. Every time I see them on screen together it reminds me of why I love the Lois and Clark dynamic so much. Lois giving him the cold shoulder because he was late picking her up, the way she laughed when he told her he was the RBB. LOVED IT. And it was a great response to Clark's expression when he told her. He was so happy to be able to say it, you could see it on his face. And of all the possible scenarios he'd considered in the past when it came to telling people, I think being laughed at that way was pretty far down the list. Then the way he tried to convince her - MORE CONTINUITY YAY! - and the way he said 'let me help you with that' before lifting the desk? WONDERFUL. I loved the whole scene from beginning to end. Lois' reaction to the news being the same as it was before, the way she was so calm about asking him everything, that moment where he stepped towards her and the small step she took back causing him to look hurt and hesitate before he continued... Then there was the way Lois instinctively held her hands over her body when she asked him about seeing through things :D Just BRILLIANT. The timing and reactions were spot on. The only tiny quibble I would have would be with the fact Clark felt the need to tell her she was the last to know. For a moment she was so proud that he'd chosen her to tell his secret to. And he was right to be honest with her, but knowing Lana and Chloe had known for years stung - and you could see it on Lois' face. A small word or two to say they'd found out on their own would have eased the sting for Lois AND for me. But I guess since the theme seems to be wounding Lois when it comes to the romantic element of this relationship I shouldn't be surprised that the show chose not to have Clark tell her she was the first person he'd told VOLUNTARILY. A little of her reaction to Krypton would have been nice too, but since the overall pacing of the episode was so tight and so fast moving and seamless I really can't complain. I also LOVED the gentlemanly way he asked would she do him the honor of writing his story. It made me LOVE him.

Clark's reaction to how he was accepted after the article came out was soooooo lovely. He was shy and proud and unassuming and bemused and relieved all at the same time. I thought Tom played this scene BEAUTIFULLY and having Clark hear how much he was needed in Metropolis from the newspaper vendor was exactly what he needed to hear. It's all fine and well feeding him the famous THE WORLD NEEDS YOU line ad nausea and ad infinitum but having someone who doesn't know him point out the difference he's made was so much more satisfying. I wish we could have more of this kind of thing. I felt the same way watching the scene where he talked Bette down in Plastique. He should be learning from his experiences and what happens around him, NOT being forced into a corner because of what he can do. To me that was always a big part of Superman. He did what he did because he COULD. Not because all his friends and the loss of family and loved ones gave him no other choice in the matter. I don't want Clark to be TOLD. I want him to FIGURE IT OUT and do it because he WANTS TO. Yes, the world needs him, and I don't for a minute think Clark hasn't figured that out along the way. Thing is, it has to be on HIS terms. He may sacrifice his life for the world one day and how will his friends feel if they pushed him into it? So enough with the pushing from other people I say. Let the poor guy work it out. So scenes like this make me very happy. It confirmed what he'd felt about peoples reactions in Identity and yes, he would have figured that out and HAD figured that out without Chloe telling him. So enough of the scenes where Chloe is the one who does all the thinking, and more scenes like these please.

Chloe trying to get Jimmy into the hospital and not being able to after the article came out was great too. Nice to know she's remembered she's still married for one thing. And to see her fighting for Jimmy's welfare was the kind of thing I wanted to see during the Lana arc. Instead she came off badly in that arc for wandering around Metropolis drinking coffee and doing the things Clark could have done himself or had OLIVER do. In fact seeing Oliver's reaction to the whole power suit angle would have been much more interesting to me. Both Clark and Chloe had an emotional attachment to Lana and knew the history behind what she was doing. Having Oliver do the scene where the hard drive was found at Isis would have introduced a fresh perspective - not necessarily an impartial one when it comes to Lex - but it would have been much more interesting and would have allowed Chloe to be with her husband, which would have been much more in keeping with her character in my opinion.

The scene with Davis was well done. Straight away we could see Davis was more on edge than before and fighting for control. The conversation Chloe said was about the kiss and Davis thought was about the fortress was great too. It set things up nicely for things to come...

Linda turning the tables was so seamlessly woven into the scene where Clark was dealing with his new found fame that it caught me completely off guard even though I knew it was coming. And even though I was still trying to work out why no-one had noticed her becoming a puddle of water in front of Clark and TV cameras and a crowd full of people earlier on :rolleyes: That then blended beautifully into the authorities arriving and questioning Clark. I LOVED THIS because it's so in keeping with the 'reality' edge Smallville has to the story. Yes we're talking about superpowers and meteor freaks and aliens but the show, to me, is grounded in that reality and the question of how the world would REALLY react to all those things. I love that about the show and always have. So to see the authorities seeking to do tests and seeing Clark's immediate reaction to that (a fear of old after all and the one his parents always had) was not only wonderful, it was also completely believable. I LOVED Clark in this scene again. Felt sorry for his mother's kitchen mind you, and thought the reaction of the authorities was a tad over-kill, but it was the way that Clark told them there wouldn't be any tests and the way he stood tall and let the bullets bounce off him that really made me enjoy it. Every time Clark comes into his own I cheer. This was one of those times.

The following scene with Chloe made sense, despite the fact the authorities had told Clark they were going after Lois too. Chloe had just left the farm and Clark is faster than the men with guns and bad aim, so he was able to get to Chloe and warn her to get away. The Legion ring - not a big surprise for those of us here at K-Site - but again continuity and again it made sense. Clark's desperation here was well played. He didn't stop to tell Chloe some long exposition about what had happened. The dialogue was snappy, the scene was tight and both Allison and Tom did a GREAT job with it. I really can't say enough about the pacing of this episode. Whenever I'm so wrapped up in what's happening onscreen that I fail to notice how fast the time is going by until an ad break, the director is doing his job IMO. So GOOD JOB Glen Winter!!! The story SHOULD suck me in. I should be totally immersed in that world. And Smallville can sometimes fail in that aspect so badly that it doesn't worry me if I leave the room to make a cup of coffee. That shouldn't happen IMO.

Also the Davis to Chloe reveal was well done I thought. Tightly scripted. Chloe's reaction to the bombshell was beautifully played - her horror was particularly well done on Allison's part. Also made sense that the 'human' side of Davis would warn Clark's best friend. It showed he's still raging an inner battle. It does beg the question of why Chloe does the things she does in later episodes. But again, that's good writing, cos now I need to tune in to find out, don't I? :) I have to mention the special effects here. To me this was the BEST transformation yet. To see those ebony protrusions pop out of his forehead like that? Soooooooo gooood!!! Short but incredibly effective. LOVED IT.

Lois' reaction to the article dropped on her desk: GO LOIS! Her hell no made me grin from ear to ear. That's iconic Lois Lane right there. She always championed Superman, even when she didn't know who he really was and her dig at Linda in the elevator about stories needing facts shows how far she's come professionally since her days of chasing a front page story on the Green Arrow Bandit. :D Also love it when Lois stands her ground with someone who can trade jibes with her. When she made the comment about how Clark could have been the hero people had always needed, I got a sense that she was talking about herself too. And the fact that she loves Clark adds to that feeling. Lois HAS always needed a hero. She has a vulnerable streak despite her outer bravado. So in that sense she's representative of us all. Having her see it not just from the pov of the world needing Clark on a heroic level was spot on.

Then the barn scene after Clark rescued her. I have to say straight off the bat that Tom and Erica ROCKED this scene. The more the showrunners give them to work with the better they do. And the conversation between Lois and Clark was compelling to watch. Lois is a fighter. She was prepared to stand and fight against the injustice of the way Clark was being treated and wanted him to do the same thing. Clark knew it had gone beyond that and that he had a way to fix things. But it was Lois' reaction to that I felt the emotional reaction to. I've played this scenario from varying different directions since the spoilers came out, and I'll be honest - I'd always hoped that Lois would tell Clark it was his decision and nobody elses. Instead we had Lois' obvious pain at what had happened and how unfair it was mixed in with her own feelings for Clark. It confirmed the feeling I had when she was talking to Linda Lake. Lois fell in love with Clark almost despite the fact he was a hero. As she said, she'd been down the hero road before. When she talked about how some people spent all their lives trying to stand out and be considered special, again it wasn't just Clark she was talking about. It was her. Her greatest fear has always been that she would be left behind. Like when her mother died. Or when her father had to go be a General. Or, more specifically in this scenario, when Oliver left her to go be a superhero.

There has been a question in some peoples minds since Siren of how Lois would cope with Clark's life after stating so clearly she couldn't deal with Oliver's. Infamous answered that question. And by resetting time and choosing to not to tell her his secret again, it was heartbreaking knowing he was basically doing exactly the same thing to her. He was leaving her behind. And when she'd made the decision, for the first time, to stick with someone and work through it, it was all the more heartbreaking to see from Lois' point of view. She was trying to tell him how she felt. He said he got it. She was right, he didn't. And again another line here would have made me feel better. If Clark had explained WHY he wouldn't tell her again it would at least have showed how he felt. What difference did it make? He was going to reset time anyway. And it would have served to show the VIEWER the feelings behind him telling her she was special and why it was because she's special that he wouldn't take the chance again. I understand that his feelings need to be obscure from Lois' pov to keep the romantic tension going in the future, but it would have made more sense in the bigger picture. It's too soon after the Lana fiasco in my opinion to have full blown emotions for Lois and it was plain in Bulletproof that even he doesn't know where his head is at when it comes to Lois. But regardless of ALL that, to have him tell Lois he wanted to keep her safe because he was scared she would get hurt or that recent events had shown him how high the cost could be to someone he cares about would have gone a long way with this VIEWER. As it was it was too obscure. And again it made Lois look less important to him than she is, even as a friend. So that bugged me in what was otherwise a multi-layered, beautiful played, emotional scene.

Lois kicking ass is always good. The fact she was one of the few people in the known Smallville universe who didn't know why Clark was writhing on the ground helped with the Kryptonite plot device we've seen so many times that once again I'll say Kryptonite is easier to find in Smallville than a Starbucks in Manhattan. :rolleyes: That she was about to tell Clark about Davis just as he made the leap back in time? FANTASTIC. Where the hell was this writing for the last two episodes??? SEE WHAT HAPPENS when we plot a storyarc BEFORE we plot the rest of what was and seems to be a tight season in the episodes to come showrunners? You raise the bar we expect more - so it's your own fault. And it's episodes like this, even with old plot devices, that make Power and Requiem look even worse than they did before. Not that I thought that was humanly possible. :mad:

Time reset. Good guess with that one Clark without any practice. And once again we have Clark in the kind of hero mode that just DOES IT for me. Tom plays these scenes so well he practically OOZES Superman and again the maturity Clark has shown this year in these kinds of scenes just make Power and Requiem all the worse. Sigh. I wish I could forget them, I really do. He was GREAT in this scene and Linda Lake got her come-uppance the way a Superman villain should. He didn't kill her, he knew how to deal with her. And once again it goes back to a scene with Chloe where Clark was given information without needing to be given step by step instructions on how to USE that information. Good job Caroline Dries with the writing on this one I say! And again good direction with the script! MORE OF THIS PLEASE SMALLVILLE.

Clark then learned from his mistakes - HALLELUJAH - and collected Lois from the airport the second time around. And here's where I had another small problem. I didn't like that she invited him for coffee. The way she kinda swayed back and forth on the subject of what almost happened at the wedding was very in character after she'd once again put her foot in it, and I understand that there's their friendship to consider too. But after how hurt she was at the end of Bride, this was the last thing I expected or wanted from Lois quite frankly. I expected her to come back with her walls firmly in place and for Clark to have to work at their friendship while not understanding why he was being treated that way. It would still have allowed for the tension to build and it would still have stalled the romantic relationship so I really don't accept that this was the only way to go. Instead it once again put Lois in a vulnerable position and I HATE THAT. This isn't Clana angst-of-old territory and the showrunners should remember that. This is a completely new dynamic and one with plenty of scope for sexual tension in a way that was never present during the High School years. Lois could very easily have been as flippant with Clark as she was when he came to tell her his secret in the first timeline, with snarky comments about knowing where she stood and him not worrying about it. Instead they chose to have her put herself out there emotionally AGAIN. I didn't like that. The end scene I'll get to in a minute, but the fact this was the set up for it bugged me as a Lois fan. I won't be happy with her being an emotional punching bag and I sincerely hope this is dealt with in the future now that we know we have another season ahead of us. Just smacked of a lack of creativity to me and a need for the kind of emotional angst that a lot of viewers are sick to death of on this show. It's NOT A SOAP OPERA. It's a SUPERHERO show. I wish the showrunners would remember that.

The next Clark and Chloe scene fell back into the mode of Chloe doing Clark's thinking for him. :mad: Dear lord will it never end. And having had the earlier scenes work so well this rattled my cage. Are we now suggesting that the whole Superman/mild mannered reporter personas were Chloe's idea and not Clark's??? Seriously?! It's a miracle the man can pick what underwear to wear on his own. Then again considering where that underwear might end up in his superhero costume...

It would seem to me it would serve Chloe's character much better if she spent more time sorting out her own life than wrapping Clark's up in a neat little bow so he doesn't have to use a Kryptonian brain cell. I'm honestly getting sick of this. Scenes where they bounce ideas or different POV's off each other or where a piece of information is given to Clark in an almost Watchtower like capacity, or using their conversations to show how Clark is feeling about something are all great. But when is the last time we had a Clark/Chloe conversation when he was a friend to HER and SHE listened? Instead we have scenes like this where Chloe does the thinking for Clark and presents him with a solution he could have discovered for himself given the time and the free thinking to do it. It makes him look like an idiot who is led by the strong women in his life. It WEAKENS him. Enough already!!! Let this friendship be a two way street and let's see Chloe working on her own life. This scene didn't even serve to show us how Clark is feeling about Lois - which would have led us better into the next scene as a viewer. Instead we had Chloe once again feed him a line and Clark fell back on the tired excuse of protecting the people in his life. It's not that it isn't the reason behind it, because it's most certainly a huge part of it, but if the goddamn Lana arc has any use beyond serving HER character it should be shown to be the reason why Clark is even MORE determined not to tell anyone close to him his secret ever again. That makes more sense. It's not just that he tried before, they tried to make their relationship work from every angle possible, AND he has the recent experience of coming clean to add to that. What he should come to realize is that it's more of a case of the PERSON than it is the situation. Lois isn't Lana. Nor is she Chloe. But instead of making that kind of mature thinking clear to the viewer again we were left with ambiguity. He said for a moment, after he told Lois, he had thought he could have it all. Did he mean PRIOR to the article coming out? Was that a reference to his personal life as well as his part as a hero? When Chloe asked him point blank if he was protecting himself from further hurt he avoided the subject by saying he'd destroyed the Legion ring. It was a wasted opportunity as far as I'm concerned. And I'll be watching future episodes to see if we're given a little more information about how Clark is feeling in what the show has set up as the romantic relationship in his life. It can't go on forever with Lois being using as the emotional punching bag before a great many viewers won't WANT them together. And if that's the case then the shows attempt at a romantic relationship between Lois and Clark will have FAILED. The dance is a huge part of the romantic journey between these two and has enthralled fans for generations. But there's no reason why the VIEWER can't know what's going on in the characters minds. It lets us in on the secret. It attaches us to them and draws us in. We have to root for them and cheer them on and be sad when it doesn't work. And ONCE AGAIN it weakens Clark. He becomes the guy who doesn't give a damn cos hey, it's nothing to do with him. She becomes the girl to be pitied or laughed at cos c'mon, what's she doing pining after him when he plainly doesn't care? And that's just NOT what the Lois Lane and Clark Kent love story is all about in my opinion. So this really needs to be sorted out...

Davis and Linda to me was Davis crossing the line. He may have had the Doomsday red eyes when he murdered her, but he didn't transform into the monster and rip her into plastic bag sized pieces. He smothered her. That's a very up close and personal murder. Holding a pillow over a persons face takes a certain amount of understanding that I don't believe Doomsday possesses. Maybe he does and that's why he knows who Chloe is in that form. But to stand still and hold that pillow down until Linda stopped fighting? That to me blurred the line between Davis and Doomsday. And to then have him toss the tablets he was using to control himself to one side? It's gonna be all downhill from here on in really... PLUS once again he walked away from the crime. Well... here's hoping that room didn't have the same camera that caught Chloe, right?

Which brings me to the end scene at the coffee shop. I'm honestly not sure how many more of these I can take. :( And having Clark turn up and stand across the street was almost worse than it would have been to have him stand her up and later find out he'd been off doing RBB things. Instead he seemed to waver. He'd gone that far so it was obvious he wanted to be there, but at the same time his insecurities held him back. His indecision was palpable and I really felt the emotion of the scene. What would have tipped it over the edge for me would have been if I'd known what was going on in his mind. Instead I was left with the feeling that it was easy for him to walk away at this point. That even their friendship didn't merit working on. It was INCREDIBLY SAD and I don't hate Clark for doing what he did but with more of a set up it could have been so much better. The one I truly felt for in that scene was LOIS. Again she'd tried to reach out and again she'd been knocked back and having her reply to his text saying she couldn't make it either while we knew he was standing across the street from her? It was heartbreaking and humiliating at that point. If I'd known a little more about Clark's emotions it would have been even more emotional. Instead I have to remind myself he doesn't know how she feels. And I DO believe it's too soon for him to jump into deep emotions with her after Lana. But even when the Clark Kent of mythology is watching the woman he loves fall in love with his alter ego, he still doesn't let it effect whatever friendship or working relationship he has with her. We the viewer get to see his inner battle, she doesn't. And that's what was missing here. Even if he's only just begun to realize he has feelings for Lois it should be less obscure to the viewer than it is at present. All in all I understood the scene and could piece together why he was doing what he was and why, but I'm sorry - that's not my job. At least the figuring it all out part isn't. It's the writer's job to make it clear to me and so far, throughout the set up of this relationship, where Clark is at has been vaguely hinted at, alluded to, and obscure. I've almost had enough of it frankly. So it's a case of put up or shut up for me when it comes to romantic Lois Lane and Clark Kent on this show. Either build the relationship from BOTH sides or leave it the hell alone and build the characters separately into two people I can imagine being together in the future. Right now it's tainting my view of the iconic Lane and Kent relationship. The thought that Clark Kent loves Lois Lane from afar has always been very poignant to me. To believe that he's loving a woman from afar who once loved him and he stomped all over those emotions, even without knowing, makes me less sympathetic towards his plight. So knock it on the head Smallville. If you're going to do full romantic Clois at some point then set it up better than you're doing now. I want to believe. Right now you're not making me believe. And as writers, that's what you're paid for.

It's a shame really. Because apart from the things I've pointed out this was a damn near perfect episode for me. The way it slotted into the rest of the season pre-Power, all the mythos moments, the fact it was another part of the secret identity puzzle, Clark's heroic actions and the impeccable pacing of this episode would have earned it a perfect score from me. As it was with the parts that bugged me I have to give it a nine. It would have been eight except they finally brought Lois back!!! And week one of the now you see her now you don't begins... :rolleyes:

Autumn

03-13-2009, 02:13 AM

Maybe Davis thinks he can just go after "bad guys" and keep it under control.

A "lesser of two evils" mindset.

That's what I think and coincides with a Sam Witwer interview who said it is "the best alternative." He'll probably do vigilante killings to control the beast, which is better in his mind than killing innocent people (in which he has no control over).

Anyway, overall I liked the episode. Some of the acting was a little off, and the opening with Linda I was not fond of, but it was still a good episode. Mostly, I enjoyed Davis. Sam Witwer proved what a future star he is. Just BRILLIANT. And the Chlavis scenes were intense and amazing. Their chemistry is off the chart; just pure onscreen magic. Davis really was the best part of the episode for me.

MC24

03-13-2009, 02:36 AM

Very good episode, especially considering how much I liked the last couple of episodes (sorry, I'm a clana guy). Watching Clark refuse to tell Lois the truth for real, or at least have coffee with her made me cringe, though. I was tired of the whole "(insert name of love intrest/friend here) can't know the truth about me" near the end of season 3!

cloisthelegendbegins

03-13-2009, 02:39 AM

Krypto_marcus

03-13-2009, 02:56 AM

10/10

Smallville's back!

Kal-Vin

03-13-2009, 03:01 AM

I gave it a 9. Definitely enjoyed this episode. It's great that Lois is back. Though there were some things that could have been improved. I did not like the scene when Clark almost killed Linda just to protect his secret. Also, it did not explain how Linda knew about Davis' secret. But over-all, a really nice episode. Can't wait for the next one. :)

Agent Addek

03-13-2009, 03:05 AM

Hi
Happy to hear that most of you enjoyed Infamous. I am currently prepping my last episode of the season, Injustice. Tom is directing and is doing a great job of course. Just wanted to thank you all for your incredibly faithful support. Though I don't often have time to read the forums regularly, when I do check them out, I am continually amazed at your loyalty, and the intelligence of your reviews. I am about to have a couple of months off, but I am very excited next year, I hope you are too. This is a great place to come to work every day !
Once again, you guys rock.
All the best
Glen Winter

Hi Glen,

Thank you so much for posting here. It's good to know that you like to read what the fans think. To be honest I was actually surprised that I enjoyed the episode, I think the reason I really enjoyed it was the fact that the Chloe I love was back into action. She was there as the voice of reason for Clark, even though Clark didn't listen, he found out the hard way. I enjoyed them working together again, figuring out how to stop Linda. I loved loved the scene between Chloe and Clark in the forrest, "Am I loosing you Clark? If this is goodbye, then I'm not saying it." "Chloe when this all dies down, I'll find you. I promise." Then of course that amazingly tense scene between Chloe and Davis and how she instantly sided with Clark. The way she said, "You stay away from him." she said it with so much conviction. Even when she's faced with danger for her own life her concern was for Clark.

I really hope that there is still more stories to be told for this original character, I hope that all that she has gone through has not been for naught. Chloe Sullivan deserves so much better than death. I hope she stays on for the final season, so I can finish out the series myself.

Thanks so much again.
L:D

Edit: I forgot to add that I also loved that last conversation between Chloe and Clark, where she suggest the dual identity. Chloe Sullivan FTW. :D

One more thing, like I said before I enjoyed the episode but there was one thing I really wished would have been different and thats the ending. The episode should have ended with that Davis and Linda chilling moment, the scene after with Lois at the coffee shop was not needed and just ruined that daunting feeling I was left with.

Big O

03-13-2009, 03:16 AM

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to point this out, but was this episode presented in fullscreen anywhere else? Every single other episode of the show has been presented in widescreen, and I double-checked my television and everything but it looks like my local The CW affiliate (Cincinnati) broadcast it in fullscreen. Just curious to see if this happened to anyone else.

I live in Canada...and I taped the show from KTLA in LA ...and they broadcast Smallville in full screen.

When compared to the widescreen version...fullscreen comes a distant second.... because in fullscreen you end up with these extreme facial closeups...where often the characters faces are cut off ...in odd looking ways...so in some scenes...you only see one eye on someones face...or most of the top of their head is missing...

I dont know why some TV stations decide to show SV in full screen ..but I think its a dumb thing to do...as it adds nothing..and only takes away from the overall look of the show...

When shown in widescreen SV looks like a big budget Hollywood movie...but in fullscreen...it comes across on TV like a cheap & badly edited show...

Fortunately the Space channel up here... plays SV on Saturday night in widescreen.

The show just looks a 100 times better.... when its broadcast the way the director orginally filmed it.

Theshadow129x

03-13-2009, 03:27 AM

i gave it a five. the acting was bad in this episode except for Sam Witwer.

La Donna

03-13-2009, 03:48 AM

Fallen One

03-13-2009, 03:54 AM

La Donna, I have to admit, when she took a stand against Davis and ran out of the place I was proud of her. Good Job Chloe.

..But May 14th still can't get here soon enough.

Jaderoyale

03-13-2009, 03:57 AM

La Donna, I have to admit, when she took a stand against Davis and ran out of the place I was proud of her. Good Job Chloe.

..But May 14th still can't get here soon enough.

I have to agree Cedric.
I was like, whoa! Chloe! You go girl.
I'm looking forward to your review. I hope you're finding it easier to write than i am.

Fallen One

03-13-2009, 03:59 AM

Haven't started yet. Will do so when I get home after work today.

But this one shouldn't be difficult to write. I was very pleased by what I saw. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't the best of the season, but it was good. And that makes everything much easier to write.

-Nora-

03-13-2009, 04:21 AM

I don't understand how anyone can watch the Chlark conversation at the end and still doubt Clark's motive for not joining Lois for coffee.

He tells Chloe that his secret being out there didn't do any good, except for that one moment after he told Lois. He thought he could have it all and that all would be okay but he was wrong. Why did he think he was wrong? Because he saw what it did to Lois and he doesn't want to put her through that ("All of this made one thing clear: Lois can never know who I really am."). Chloe did see right through him and called him on using it as an excuse because he IS scared of opening his heart up again. And that right there tells you why he walked away from Lois. Not because he wasn't interested - but because he WAS. Look at the scene before: Lois gives him an out: she offers him to forget they ever almost kissed. And he doesn't take it. So Lois says okay, but let's not over-analyze it, meet for coffee (or not) and just see what happens. And Clark does go to the date. He GOES. If he wasn't interested, he wouldn't have come at all.

Where does that leave Clois? Well, in Lois' mind Clark didn't turn up at all so she probably thinks he isn't interested and she'll try and move on. Of course what she doesn't know is that he was across the street watching her, scared out of his mind to take that next step. So the next few eps up until the finale will probably be all about both Lois and Clark denying how they truly feel but knowing deep down that they can't. Ever.

shamville

03-13-2009, 05:34 AM

It was good. Davis killed linda lake. Bad part chloe not knowing what happen her after the wedding. Rokk and irma should give her all her memories back.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 05:38 AM

10 :)
Exactly : 10 :)CLOIS, OMG ! ;)

La Donna

03-13-2009, 05:39 AM

Okay, I'm a liar. I am doing a review. Just couldn't help myself. So sorry.

The only thing that was missing that stood out to me was a line or two from Clark in response to how he feels about Lois, whether that had been to Lois during their barn talk, or to Chloe after the time reverse. Otherwise, I think it was a very well put together episode. I fully believe Clark has fallen for her based on his actions, but it would have made it totally clear if he had admitted it to Chloe or told Lois something about it before he turned back time. And what the frick was the thing they were supposed to do that they were interrupted from doing in Bride? Obviously it was supposed to be a kiss, but now I'm just annoyed that the spoiler was given and wasn't in the episode. I hope that doesn't happen later on this season.

Every single season regular was phenomenal. Their acting, their line delivery, and their interaction with each other. Chloe/Clark, Chloe/Davis, Clark/Lois, and even Clark's interaction with Linda Lake. They all played off each other in such a way that it seemed so believable that what they were saying was true emotion. And as for Sam, oh dear, he is so great! He was the perfect choice for that role. While I don't think he'll be around next season, he's won me over and I'm left hoping he's around next season in some way. And the special effects for his transformation were FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC! The eruption from his forehead and his eyes turning red was seriously freaky and awesome at the same time.

This show was lacking without Lois. It's just better when she' s on, and she adds so much. While I've been a Smallville Lois fan for awhile, I've never felt her absence as severally as I have this season. While I loved Prey and Abyss, and most of Legion and some of Bulletproof, having Lois missing in season 8 episodes take them down at least a little bit. It's the actress and the writing. I think the actress has brought it since the beginning, but she's so phenomenal this year. And with such a better arc this year and with the writing so improved, she just shines when she's on this show. At the end of the episode, I was thinking how I wish another great guy would come on and hit on Lois so that Clark would get jealous, but then I remembered that the blur will fill that place so I'm just excited for that arc. I think that spoiler saying "After Infamous airs Clois fans will be saying Lana who?" was really reaching. While the Clois was great in my opinion, it ended sadly for Clark and it ended sadly for Lois. There was no kiss, there was no declaration of love, there was no real confirmation that things will work out between them. I'm certain they will, and I actually loved the sadness at the end because of what it meant for the future, but nothing stood out as so awesome that Lana's arc is forgotten. Hopefully the spoiler for the finale turns out to be more credible.

I wish the idea for Bulletproof would have been set between Prey and Identity, and the Legion could have stayed where it was after Bride. But I would have erased Power and Requiem completely. I think Clark's behavior in those two episodes took him down, Lana's behavior took her down, Chloe's lack of continuity/keeping her from Star City/revealing the Identity murder took her down, Oliver freaking killed someone (probably not really Lex, but either way, someone died and he did it gladly) so that took him way down, and Tess popped in once to go one way over the edge but then disappears again and that didn't do any favors for her story line.

Really, KK should have been given a one or two episode come back this season and it should have been either in the beginning or near the end of the season. Whenever she came to the show, it should have ended the Clana maturely and let Lana go off into the world to do good and be the hero I think she always wanted to be in a way without her lusting for power and poisoned away from Clark. If they did all of that, this season wouldn't have had such huge differences in fan reaction from the first ten or eleven episodes to where Power and Requiem dropped. Infamous is obviously kicking it back up, but it didn't have to be such a noticeable difference between this episode and the last few. The last two episodes were a mistake, and they screwed up the order of those middle episodes.

The good news is the rest of the episodes seem to be in a better order until the end. The only thing I would change in that lineup is simply more Lois. It's become painful to see Lois dazzle and bring it up a notch and then one week later she's missing. Although don't let that get you thinking I'm not psyched for Turbulence now, because that preview made me ready and waiting, if you know what I mean. So, as I said before, I don't have to have Lois to find an episode fantastic. It just always makes an episode more fantastic to have Lois and I want her around more. But like I said, I love Prey and I love Abyss, and she wasn't there for those.

I didn't like that Clark didn't explain to Lois why others knew before she was finding out. She has known him for what? Like 5 years now? If he had explained how they found out, why they still know, and that he regrets having them in danger because of knowing his secret, it would have been fine and not hurting for Lois. Instead it came out as "I just don't trust you or love you like I do them". I'm sure that's not what he meant, but that's what I would be thinking had it been me instead of Lois.

For everyone who says that Chloe's gone too far with Davis, I'm so glad they gave us a scene where Chloe said goodbye to Davis because he wanted to be more than friends. That showed that she wants to be married and she's not trying to have an emotional fling on the side. The way she stood up for Clark was.... I'm running out of positive adjectives here, but I'll go with PERFECTION. I knew my girl was on Clark's side if Davis is on the other side, and this scene proved it. Woo-hoo!! Plus, it proves that if Chloe knew the truth about Davis, she would never be okay with it.

I'm glad one writer finally thought of Martha. To be honest, it was almost distracting having the phone call after so many episodes where we got nothing on Martha. Not that I'm saying they should lose it, because it needs to be there, and I just wish the other writers would realize that as well.

Clark turning back time was different then when he turned back time before. This time he was doing it not just for his friends but for the world. He said that he couldn't help people with everyone against him. Last time it was to save one person, Lana of course, and he didn't care if someone else close to him would die. This time, he thought it out in advance, did it for the right reason, and has weighed the consequence. I don't think he believes another close person to him will die though since that is not what he changed. I think destroying the ring was an idiotic choice. He knows Doomsday is out there, and he knows how to go visit in the future those who gave him the ring. Why not go to them and ask about these things, or have them come back with him so he can hand over the ring. And Clark's tool box hiding place is a joke. He could dig a hole fifty feet in the ground and cover it back up in a few seconds. I could think of a lot better hiding places for Clark to use besides his huge red toolbox sitting in the middle of the barn.

Plus, if someone dies for really reals (if that spoiler proves true) who is close to Clark, we're going to get Clark realizing he's made some mistakes. Destroying the ring, not planning for Doomsday even though he knows it's coming, not trying to fix the fortress, and the simplest mistake he made was not waiting two damn seconds to slide that f****** ring on so that he could hear the rest of Lois's sentence that she was trying to tell him while she was running towards him looking as though there's an emergency. Who knows, maybe Clark was thinking "Oh silly Lois, I'm about to fix whatever it is you are desperately trying to tell me. Don't you worry your cute little ponytail off. I'm an alien and I can time travel...clearly, it's all good".

As for Lois and Linda, all I can say is Lois KICKS A**! And not only does she take down the lady villain, but she does it believably. Seriously, her fighting skills were great. I totally bought that she would have taken Linda out. The more Lois fight scenes they include the better, so now I can't wait for Stiletto!

Gave it a high nine.

Fallen One wrote:
La Donna, I have to admit, when she took a stand against Davis and ran out of the place I was proud of her. Good Job Chloe.

..But May 14th still can't get here soon enough.

FINALLY!!!!!!!! That's what I've been waiting for. I'll treasure that post in the future while we continue to debate this Chloe Sullivan character who kicks so much a** that some people think she's too cool and just don't like her. See, I know where you're coming from;)

And who knows, I'm hoping she doesn't die and lives to be in the JL next season. While it may not be your dream come true, it would fulfill several of my hopes for Chloe. So, on the 14th of May, and then again in the September premiere, we'll see who got what they wanted for christmas this year.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 05:42 AM

82% rated this an eight or higher. I'd say it should be considered a successful episode:) 42% gave it a ten. I guess what they say is true, bring Lois back and you'll succeed, have Clark act like Superman and the fans will cheer, let Chloe be the loyal friend and the episode will make sense, and let the villain scare and excite the sh** out of us and we'll tune back in just to find out what he does next! Or maybe it's just me that says all of that. Well, anyways, I still think it's true.
ITA. Such a relief to see Chloe as she really is:)And I have to say it is the first time I find Davis interesting (hallelujah !). The way he tries to fight the Beast, at last I can feel he is good inside as a human...ouf !As for Clois, well, CLAARRRRRRRRRRRKKKK at the end AHHHHHHHHHHHH...Lois was perfect in her emotions. Clois : the real beginning;)

ColdPlay3r

03-13-2009, 05:57 AM

my review

meh

9

Hopefulsuicide

03-13-2009, 06:05 AM

The episode as a whole was good. But not great. Moments in the episode however, were brilliant. These moments are as follows.

1. Clark destroying the legion ring - i actually breathed a sigh of relief and declared 'there's my boy' when i heard him say that. It's quite simply the most in character Supermanly thing he has ever done in terms of use of his noggin.

2. Most everything Doomsday - Sam Witwer is doing a great job as Doomy and i'm really enjoying his decent. I had serious objections to this half human portrayal of Doomsday but once the initial shock of the de facing of a character faded, i have actually grown to like the Chlavis and Doomsday scenarios that the writers have come up with

3. The final Clois scene - I know people wanted him to meet her for Coffee... but come on, they have GOT to drag it out. They can't just have them happy and together already. And i love angst anyway. But what i loved about it is that they were both totally in character. Clark with his complete reluctance to go into any relationship except Lana, and Lois with her defensive casualness. They both care more than they are admitting.

What i would like to see however, is more of Clark watching her and smiling. That is something i heavily associate with Clark Kent and Lois Lane. That whenever she isn't looking, he's looking at her, in secret. And it would make it clear to us that he does like her, because right know he's acting no more interested in her as some of the guys i've gone after and failed miserably with :lol:

Now, things i didn't like about this episode.

Well the big one is the complete and utter lack of any sense of reality whatsoever. It may not bother other people as much as me (as a journalism student) but it also botheres me because the Daily Planet should not be shown to be such an awful newspaper.

1. There is no way the most prestigious newspaper in America would allow a fairly new Journalist (2 or 3 years is still fairly new in terms of journalism) to put a story she heard from a guy about him being an alien, on the front page - where is the proof? Clark can't show them he's an alien. He can show them what he can do, but the editor seemed to not even ask for it.

2. There is no way in hell that an old, estranged and discredited journalist could organise a press conference just to declare a bunch of stuff that she has absolutely no proof about, and there is absolutely no way that they would take her seriously.

3. People are not that immediate in their reactions. I mean literally the first day that the story hit the stands, everyone was crowding around. They barely had time to read the headline, which would be fine if it was a headline naming him the Red Blue Blur... but it wasn't. It named him as an alien. Now some of them may have read the rest of the story and then reacted... but not all at once like that.

And then to have everyone immediately snap. It made no sense to me whatsoever.

In the real world, the story would have broken, as Clark walked down the street he would have turned a few heads who might have eyed him with a suspicion that he was that guy on the front page. Then as it settled in, they would recognise him more and be more forward. Some people would see him as a threat (as they would any alien) and some would simply want to thank him for helping them.

But why would they all suddenly turn against him just because some discredited gossip journalism said he killed Lex, without providing any proof for it whatsoever.

"Oh that lady said it, it must be true."

How dumb is Smallville portraying the world to be. The authorities!

3. Tom welling's acting - say what you will, but i found him a bit of a pansy tonight... everything he said had this 'soft tone' to it, and was said with a soft smile... it was kind of annoying and overdone

Anyway, gave it a 9, because the stuff i loved, i really loved. :)

vyperman7

03-13-2009, 06:10 AM

To me, the episode was kind of underwhelming. As a whole, the pace of it felt extremely rushed, and like usual I think it would have done better as a 2 hour episode or two parter. That way, certain areas of the episode could have more time spent on them.

The episode had a few positives.

- They finally made Chloe actually appear to care about Jimmy. Ever since Bride, she has only spent time with Jimmy sparingly off screen and they made it seem like she was going on with business as usual. At least in this episode, Jimmy seemed like a higher priority to Chloe.

- The Clois tension was great. If they can keep up this level of tension without crossing the romantic border, I will be happy. I just think it is too soon after the Lana arc. I personally loved the ending myself.

- I loved the fact that Davis killed Linda Lake. Tori Spelling is such a bad actress and the last thing I wanted is to see Linda Lake return again. The scene where she tells Davis to "let the beast out" made me cringe. Worst acting since S5's Aqua by the guy who plays AC. The funny thing is that I almost enjoyed the Davis/Doomsday development more, then I did Clark's story in this.

- Clark seemingly learned that he needs a secret identity. I hope they go into more detail in the coming episodes.

Negatives :

- While they at least mentioned Lana, I didn't like it how it was done in a "past tense" type of scenario implying that all this time had passed. For this one, we need to see Clark moving on, on screen and not just be told that time has passed. Especially considering it is the very next episode.

- I really didn't like how the Clois interview was so rushed. Clark says "I need to tell you where I'm from" and then it cuts to a "Clark Kent, Alien from Krypton" headline. I wanted to see Clark actually sit down with Lois and tell her these things face to face. One thing about Smallville that bugs me, has always been reveals are too rushed. I would have enjoyed seeing Clark show Lois his powers one by one. As a whole, the Clois reveal/interview segment just felt rushed over.

- I didn't like the bit with the LOSH ring. Clark puts it on, and magically is right where he needs to be 2 days in the past. I wanted more time spent on Clark trying to figure out how to use it properly. I personally would have taken out the Linda Lake stealing the ring scenario. It wasn't needed.

- I was really hoping that Davis would remember everything since he is Kryptonian as well. It would have been cool if his memory was immune and he kept the knowledge that he was supposed to kill Clark and then he spends the rest of the season trying to avoid it.

Overall :

As a whole, the episode was really rushed, and it felt kind of underwhelming to me. Not nearly as good as it could have been, but not without its positives. I would give it a 7/10.

Super Maverick

03-13-2009, 06:33 AM

i suppose we knew it was coming since he had the ring, but time travel meh

skugers

03-13-2009, 06:34 AM

10
I personally felt glad that the writers didn't do that long-feared lightswitch. I didn't want Clark Kent and Lois Lane to jump into eachother's arms and I got what I desired. I'm happy with baby steps.
Lois asking Clark to go have a cup of coffee at the coffee shop wasn't out of line, IMO. It's not that she was about to spill the beans about her feeling for him... I'm pretty sure she wouldn't let him get away with murder that easy if he actually showed up.
I liked very much the ending. For me, it's the real beginning of Clois. Lois is completely shut down and Clark will regret his sacrifice. And then he'll chase her.
About the using the Legion Ring consequences. I think this one is pretty much linked with Chloe Sullivan's destiny. Before Clark traveling back in time Chloe sent a message to Lois asking Clark for help on the Davis matter. I have the feeling that in this new version she will take things in her own hand and get burned.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 06:39 AM

Anna, did you notice ? Lois says "café". Though I knew it is a french word which is used, it was a pleasure to hear it in SV. I add it to my little list :D:D:D

Dustmite

03-13-2009, 06:40 AM

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 06:46 AM

Thanks Glen to come. Of course, we are excited for next year. We are also VERY excited for the episodes to come:DThanks to tell us Tom is doing a great job, we were sure of that but it is nice to read it. Be sure we will be there for each episode.
Have a nice break.

La Donna

03-13-2009, 06:46 AM

I guess we got verification that Clark has moved on from Lana. He didn't use the ring to go back earlier and prevent the "kryptonite" from infecting Lana. If he had done that, he could be with Lana like he claimed he always wanted. Shoot, the first time he turned back time was to prevent Lana's death and he was willing to trade one of his loved ones lives to do it. This time, he could have gone back just a little bit earlier and been able to talk to Lana and try to talk her out of putting on that suit so they could be together. Perhaps that's what the spoiler was about that "after Infamous Clois fans will be asking Lana who?". I doubt it was that, but it would fit better.

I don't think Lana would have given up on that suit, and I'm sure she'd somehow find a way to obtain it anyways, but I doubt Clark would realize that. His reasoning should have led him to want to turn back time earlier so he could not only prevent Linda's story but also prevent Lana from having to leave Clark. I wish Clark would have said that he's realized what happened between he and Lana was for the best, and he realizes now that he's not meant to be with her. But, I'll take this subtle answer of Clark not returning to save Clana when he has the chance which proves that he wouldn't do anything different between he and Lana and that their ending was for the best.

individuall

03-13-2009, 06:57 AM

L'or

03-13-2009, 07:07 AM

9

I have hope again... *sighs dreamily*

:D

SGuthrie27

03-13-2009, 07:07 AM

Wow, I have to say (in contrast with my Big Dumb Alien thread) that I really, heartily enjoyed this episode. It was totally awesome, the way they played with the idea of Clark revealing himself to the world without the cover of Superman's double identity, and the very logical progression of events -- excitement and honor, fear and hunting, that could follow. The plot was intense and well-written, and Clark, Lois, Chloe, and Davis all had excellent characterization and development.

Lois, in particular, had plenty of chances to shine. I'm loving her more and more as the series has progressed, and this season in particular has given her a chance to really take the spotlight. What had annoyed me about her in previous seasons was that we hardly ever got to see anything other than her brash, sarcastic, prickly exterior. Now, it's fun that TPTB are portraying her both as a very capable, strong-willed gal with a penchant for telling people like it is, while also revealing glimpses of vulnerability, which makes her seem far more... well... human. Erica Durance just seems more and more like the iconic Lois Lane that we all know and love, and I can't wait to see what plans the writers have for her during the remainder of the season.

Davis... Well, honestly, I can't stand Davis, which probably means that the writers and producers have done a great job in their writing of him. They've turned him into quite the tragic villain, someone who is continually struggling against their dark inner nature, but we all know inevitably will fail. Sam Witwer has some awesome acting chops, and his scenes were really intense, especially the one in which Linda Lake enticed him to "release the beast." VERY creepy!

And finally, with Lana gone, there was not only more chance for Clois, but also my beloved Chlark scenes, which were plentiful and magnificent. Chloe is back to being the voice of reason, and wasn't afraid to debate with Clark while also trusting his judgment. He was so protective of her, and she of him, and the two make such a great team. Even when she was being pursued by Doomsday, her only thought was of getting the truth to Clark and keeping him safe -- she showed herself to be a hero again, tried and true, and helped Clark gain the knowledge of how to stop Linda Lake once and for all, while also planting hints of how he can use a dual identity to his advantage later in life. I know some people don't like it very much that she had to suggest this to Clark rather than him figuring it out for himself, but Smallville's journey has been a lot about Chloe's journey, too, and for a diehard Chloe fan, it was SWEET to see her take on yet another integral role in spurring Clark forward in his inevitable destiny.

And of course, considering it was all about Clark's life, and what would happen were the truth about him ever opened to the world, he had multiple chances to take center stage, and for the most part, I really liked what I saw. Despite the fact that I still am not happy with the way he left the original timeline before Lois could finish her sentence, and destroyed the Legion ring which denies him the chance of ever visiting them again on Smallville or saving someone he really cares about from death, he's back to being the gutsy, heroic, and slightly flawed Clark I've grown to enjoy seeing on this show. Even though some may argue that it wasn't noble for him to rewind time when things weren't going his way, his true intentions for doing so were to protect everyone he cares about as well as the world, and I can't blame him for doing that. We saw so much of his internal conflict, not only in what to do about his secret identity, but also how to handle Lois, which sets up great foreshadowing for their relationship in the future. His conversations with Chloe about her, and his comments about never being able to tell her his secret, really mirrored the lame excuses he used to give about not revealing the truth to Lana, which is a sure sign that he's starting to think ever more definitely that Lois is special, and may just be the one for him...

All in all, I thought this episode rocked!!! The only thing I didn't appreciate (other than the plot holes mentioned earlier) was Tori Spelling's acting as Linda Lake. Note that I have no problem with Linda Lake's character or motivations -- it's just that I honestly can't stand Tori Spelling as an actress 99% of the time -- just a personal preference here, and feel free to disagree, but I thought most of her scenes/lines were pretty over the top and lame, and took away from the overall feel of the episode, which is really the only major reason I gave it a 9 instead of a 10.

And finally, another thing I always like to see -- continuity! In this episode, they managed to reference Martha (giving Clark a conversation with her, even if it was a one-ended one over the phone) was awesome, not to mention a brief mention (but no footage in the recap montage) of both Lana and Lex, and episode connections to "Hydro," "Legion," "Sneeze," and more, there was just so much to love about this episode, and I can't wait to see where they take things from here.

"Infamous" has given me reason to hope again, which was pretty hard to do after "Requiem." Keep up the renewed pace, TPTB! This is Smallville at its finest!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

costas22

03-13-2009, 07:21 AM

Just watched it.Nice built up,fantastic directing but horrible story.Enough with this memory wipe for crying out loud!And even worse,he is doing it just as she tells him about Doomsday!

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 07:32 AM

Costas, what is your vote ?

skugers

03-13-2009, 07:43 AM

I didn't understand why there aren't 2 Clark Kent's the second time around... I though he traveled back in time. Back in time there already was a Clark Kent:confused:
What happened to that one???

Sarevokcz

03-13-2009, 07:55 AM

e-µ-i

03-13-2009, 08:15 AM

I really liked it, awesome episode ! It was so tense the whole time !
Pure 9/10 (I never gave 10/10, so that's pretty high on my scale). Continue writers, going great so far (after Lana left) ! :)

yea, i pointed that several weeks ago, but they simply made ring from time-travel to time-reversal :(

Maybe its the destruction of ring that stopped all that...
But yes, it is a plot hole. I didn't even notice it until I read your post, Sarevokcz...
But this time I'll really forgive the writers, since the effects of the ring and the whole Legion thing is still blurry and not clear. Maybe the effects of the time travel are different to the sole traveler...Who knows.

La Donna

03-13-2009, 08:15 AM

skugers wrote:
I didn't understand why there aren't 2 Clark Kent's the second time around... I though he traveled back in time. Back in time there already was a Clark Kent
What happened to that one???

Well, Hermione showed up, used her wand to do some fancy magic that makes the Clark who wanted to time travel back mold in to the Clark from who we see again from two days ago. Or, Clark showed back up in the past and had no idea that just outside Lex jumped out from behind the hay and killed the original Clark, glad to finally have his revenge on the man he used to love. But, Lex ran away before entering the barn and never saw that at that moment Clark from two days into the future arrived. Lex, the powerful and intelligent man that he is, obviously was able to kill Clark even though he has powers and was able to completely destroy the body so no one would find a body. Thus, Clark arrived in the past just before the original Clark was killed, and so he was able to continue existence as Clark Kent, even though original Clark Kent died after future Clark Kent arrived.

It's got to be one of those totally genius ideas that the writers just didn't have time to explain to us. Probably a deleted scene;)

The commentary by the show runners for Infamous won't mention the time travel logistics in any real way, and they will only comment on how genius they were to have the Legion give Clark the ring in the first place. They felt they planned the perfect secret set-up that no one would see coming. And then they giggle that people actually believed the spoiler about two deaths happening in the finale and thought they were permanent. In the background you can hear Ausiello laughing and high-fiving them.

badraven

03-13-2009, 08:23 AM

Boy what a difference a break makes. Last episode, IMO, one of the worst of the entire series, then comes this week's. Very good episode (9 out of 10.) Talk about going from the cellar to the ceiling.

First off- I really liked the story. It was fairly obvious that somehow they were going to have to hit the reset button and I was a little worried how they were going to do but using the Legion ring was great. Second- all the majors brought their 'A' game. Welling, Mack, Durance all "hit for power" as they say in baseball. This episdoe shows just how bad the whole Lana arc really was IMO. Third- I liked the advancement of Clark toward Superman.

Plus, just on the cool factor, how awesome was the scene where all the Feds were shooting at Clark? Also loved that Martha was mentioned and that Chole (please don't let the rumors be true!) suggested a double identity to Clark. Good stuff. Bring on next week!

jobookjunkie

03-13-2009, 08:24 AM

skugers wrote:

Well, Hermione showed up, used her wand to do some fancy magic that makes the Clark who wanted to time travel back mold in to the Clark from who we see again from two days ago. Or, Clark showed back up in the past and had no idea that just outside Lex jumped out from behind the hay and killed the original Clark, glad to finally have his revenge on the man he used to love. But, Lex ran away before entering the barn and never saw that at that moment Clark from two days into the future arrived. Lex, the powerful and intelligent man that he is, obviously was able to kill Clark even though he has powers and was able to completely destroy the body so no one would find a body. Thus, Clark arrived in the past just before the original Clark was killed, and so he was able to continue existence as Clark Kent, even though original Clark Kent died after future Clark Kent arrived.

It's got to be one of those totally genius ideas that the writers just didn't have time to explain to us. Probably a deleted scene;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Donna, I love the idea of hermione sorting out clark's time travel issues. There's a fanfic in that!!

About the time travel thing, in Reckoning wasn't Clark able to travel back without any complications, like meeting his past self? When Clark puts the Legion ring on, he appears to be standing in the barn like maybe where he was exactly that particular day in the other timeline....is that maybe what the legion ring can do? Allow the person wearing it to go to a particular moment in time?

*shrugs* quantam physics was never really my thing....or logic either, apparently:lol:

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 08:28 AM

please[/I] don't let the rumors be true!) suggested a double identity to Clark. Good stuff. Bring on next week!
Where is this scene ? I have already watched the epi third times and I can not find (understand ?) where Martha is mentioned. Pleaaaaaaaase, someone save me lol. Thanks:D

House of Brock

03-13-2009, 08:29 AM

Anyone else notice how on the Previously on Smallville to start the show, they completely cut out all Lana scenes? They cut out her appearance when the almost kiss happened and when they show Linda Lake getting hit by her car in season 6, I was pretty positive they showed Lana's face when that episode originally aired. I wonder if this was a sign that they indeed took notice of the negative feedback from the past arc. Interesting.

jobookjunkie

03-13-2009, 08:30 AM

Where is this scene ? I have already watched the epi third times and I can not find (understand ?) where Martha is mentioned. Pleaaaaaaaase, someone save me lol. Thanks:D

Karine, it's the bit where Chloe is trying to get into the farmhouse with all the press outside...Clark is inside on the phone to martha :D (knew you'd love that bit!) Consider yourself saved :cool:

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 08:34 AM

Yeah ! Thank you !!! I didn't hear correctly "Mom". Ah, at last, Martha is mentionned. Maybe producers read us after all:D
Yes, I am saved but it doesn't mean I won't need your help another time : a hero must be there all the time;)

jobookjunkie

03-13-2009, 08:36 AM

stenochick

03-13-2009, 08:39 AM

Infamous would never be able to live up to the hype I gave it in my head. Once again, the writers over-simplify things in order to tell their story in 40 minutes. The whole idea of a newspaper scoop in this age of electronic media is quite ridiculous. In real life, Lois's article and Linda's press conference would hae been trumped by some dude posting a video of the RBB on Youtube.

Once I was able to suspend my disbelief and aversion to mixed metaphors and bad water puns, I was thoroughly entertained by this tale and what it taught Clark about needing two separate identities. Although, Clark is totally lying to himself that this experience showed him that he has to hide from Lois. He is playing this game with her because he is still so hurt over Lana and would rather not fall for anyone again. The problem is that he has already fallen for her.

The scene where Clark gives Lois the scoop could have lasted the entire show. I could just see one answer from Clark leading to five more questions from Lois. "What about the time when..." I could see the interview lasting for hours and hours and leading into an honest, adult discussion of their almost-kiss in Bride and the condition of Clark's heart after Lana left him. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

The episode was totally worth it for if for just the three-second phone convo between Clark and his mom. Can you imagine the impact this story would have on Clark's mom, a US Senator with who-knows-what kinds of security clearances? I imagined Martha talking on the other end of the phone because I really miss AOT on the show.

One thing about Infamous that troubles me is that the ending is foreshadowing the death of Chloe at the hands of Doomsday, IMO. I will leave it at that here and speculate more about in the Speculation thread.

When Chloe asked Clark what would be different this time because there is always a consequence when the timeline is altered, my heart sank. Then we saw that the scene with Davis and the nurse had been changed, the result being that Chloe never found out that Davis is Doomsday, and that Davis found out that commiting murder calms the beast inside him. This sends a chill down my spine.

Next week's promo looks awesome!!! I can't wait to be totally disappointed when Clark does not actually fly with Tess from the crashing jet.:rolleyes:

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

Yeah ! Thank you !!! I didn't hear correctly "Mom". Ah, at last, Martha is mentionned. Maybe producers read us after all:D
Yes, I am saved but it doesn't mean I won't need your help another time : a hero must be there all the time;)

There were two times during Imfamous when I had the distinct thought that TPTB have assistants who comb through the posts here. One was when Clark had the really quick phone call with his mom, and the other was when Chloe said to Clark, "What if you can have your cape and wear it, too?" It totally reminded me of the thread a while back where we were discussing that expression ("you can't have your cake and eat it, too").:lol:

SupesComicFan

03-13-2009, 08:47 AM

I am thinking that when this all gets erased, however it gets erased, Doomy won't remember and neither will Chloe, and that is why she ends up harboring him. Also, she won't be able to tell Clark because she won't remember (that he was sent to kill Clark). So, we get to see what will happen when Davis finds out Clark is Kryptonian, and we get to see what happens when Lois learns the secret, all to have it reversed.

I don't mind it being reversed, because it looks like Clark will remember.

That is me, quoting myself on what would happen in Infamous. I was totally right (which hardly ever happens, so allow me to gloat for a second).

First of all, as a Superman fan, I enjoyed this episode. I didn't LOVE it, but it was enjoyable. It was kind of a cop-out, IMO. Clark got to tell Lois, without consequences. We learned what the connection is between Chloe and Davis. It's just Clark. We learned what would happen when Davis finds out Clark is Kryptonian, he will go after Chloe. It sets up the entire Davis/Chloe arc and foreshadows the ending. It is my belief that Davis is the disguise until Davis finds the other Kryptonian, and then he will fully and forever transform into Doomsday. The Davis disguise allows him to get closer to the Kryptonian in order to kill him. Brianiac was going to tell Davis, but he got exorcised. That is just speculation, though. So, the link between Chloe and Davis is Kryptonian, but it is just Clark. That makes a strange sort of sense. We also now know how Davis will "feed" his inner beast, not literally feed, but kill to keep the beast trapped. Chloe will not look AS bad for "feeding" him people, for the greater good and all that, but Clark would not approve. Even if she just feeds him bad guys. Killing is never an option.

As for this episode, I liked that we got to see Clark seeing how people appreciated him, but also turning on him. I liked that he got to see Lois' reaction, and I liked that he talked to his mom. I still don't like how we are kept in the dark as to Clark's inner thoughts (and not just about Lois) but I am expecting that to be cleared up later. I am glad they took a step back from the Clois. And, they could not have had them kiss there, before the time travel, because as a Clois fan, I want the first real kiss to be remembered and wanted by both of them. Not a copout time travel kiss (this would look too much like the kiss Chloe forced on Clark in Vessel, because of the lack of consequences, and I didn't want that). They are taking the Clois slowly, and I think that is a smart move after the Lana arc.

Nicely directed. Nicely acted. Nice episode.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 08:51 AM

Infamous would never be able to live up to the hype I gave it in my head. Once again, the writers over-simplify things in order to tell their story in 40 minutes. The whole idea of a newspaper scoop in this age of electronic media is quite ridiculous. In real life, Lois's article and Linda's press conference would hae been trumped by some dude posting a video of the RBB on Youtube.

Once I was able to suspend my disbelief and aversion to mixed metaphors and bad water puns, I was thoroughly entertained by this tale and what it taught Clark about needing two separate identities. Although, Clark is totally lying to himself that this experience showed him that he has to hide from Lois. He is playing this game with her because he is still so hurt over Lana and would rather not fall for anyone again. The problem is that he has already fallen for her.

The scene where Clark gives Lois the scoop could have lasted the entire show. I could just see one answer from Clark leading to five more questions from Lois. "What about the time when..." I could see the interview lasting for hours and hours and leading into an honest, adult discussion of their almost-kiss in Bride and the condition of Clark's heart after Lana left him. Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

The episode was totally worth it for if for just the three-second phone convo between Clark and his mom. Can you imagine the impact this story would have on Clark's mom, a US Senator with who-knows-what kinds of security clearances? I imagined Martha talking on the other end of the phone because I really miss AOT on the show.

One thing about Infamous that troubles me is that the ending is foreshadowing the death of Chloe at the hands of Doomsday, IMO. I will leave it at that here and speculate more about in the Speculation thread.

When Chloe asked Clark what would be different this time because there is always a consequence when the timeline is altered, my heart sank. Then we saw that the scene with Davis and the nurse had been changed, the result being that Chloe never found out that Davis is Doomsday, and that Davis found out that commiting murder calms the beast inside him. This sends a chill down my spine.

Next week's promo looks awesome!!! I can't wait to be totally disappointed when Clark does not actually fly with Tess from the crashing jet.:rolleyes:

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

There were two times during Imfamous when I had the distinct thought that TPTB have assistants who comb through the posts here. One was when Clark had the really quick phone call with his mom, and the other was when Chloe said to Clark, "What if you can have your cape and wear it, too?" It totally reminded me of the thread a while back where we were discussing that expression ("you can't have your cake and eat it, too").:lol:
Lol the butter, not the cake (if you speak about the French expression lol)." You can't have butter and the money you pay for it":lol:;)

stenochick

03-13-2009, 08:54 AM

Sarevokcz

03-13-2009, 08:54 AM

Im actually glad we didnt have much of a conversation between Lois and Clark about his origins and his trademark weird things, that way we can have a real conversation somewhere in a first half of s9 maybe? :)

my first 10/10 this season tho.

Yasise

03-13-2009, 08:56 AM

Wow, I loved this episode sooo much! It was really exciting and I also loved that Martha Kent was mentioned again - finally! Mother Kent is still alive!

I didn't post here for quite a while now, because I didn't like the episodes lately, but this one was amazing!

Really awsome acting of all the actors - super!:)

sharpermom

03-13-2009, 08:59 AM

Gave it a 9 because of the ending. Clark should have had a cup of coffee with Lois and I don't understand why he didn't. The rest was absolutely tremendous.

My thoughts exactly! You read my mind.

Krypton935

03-13-2009, 08:59 AM

10! What an amzing episode! I loved it was just perfect I was going crazy!! GO INFAMOUS!!!

ijazner

03-13-2009, 09:05 AM

It wasn't a bad ep, although I've wondered for some time now how many times the entire cast of this show is going to learn Clark's secret, only to forget it by the end of the episode. That minor jab out of the way, at least time it served a purpose, which was Clark learning that the 'duel identity' route is the only way to go. Also, can I say that I really hate the fact that Davis is a bad guy. He whacked Lake (a truly useless character) which makes him a good man in my book!!!! LOL

jobookjunkie

03-13-2009, 09:06 AM

The only thing I'm more excited about than watching Infamous again is Cedric's review. That will be something else, I'm betting :D

Can I say that I loved it? Can I? Cos I LOVED it. 9 outta 10....sorry but there's no aeronautics in sight yet so I can't give a 10... Where's this Smallville been? I laughed and cheered and booed and cried (buckets) the whole way through it. There was even a happy dance afterwards :D The whole Lana arc makes even less sense now but at least my fear that Lois would be a rebound wasn't realised. In fact, props to the writers for the mature and REALISTIC way they handled the almost discussion about the almost kiss. What really had me super happy in this episode was that my hero is back. Yup, that's right ladies and gentleman, Clark Kent has entered the building. He was superman-ly the whole time and even did his own thinking all by himself :rolleyes:

I would write more, but I gotta go watch it again!

stenochick

03-13-2009, 09:09 AM

FlashInSV

03-13-2009, 09:19 AM

OMFG! It’s her! She’s really back! The megaton smile on my face does not lie. Stop the presses, people! <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/ /><st1:Street w:st=</st1:Street>Lois Lane is back!
<O:p
Is this heavy, almost rainforest, downpour a metaphor of how this show has spit on the Lois character for the past episodes? My god, she’s a mess! He’s late?! How can the fastest (or second fastest, after Flash) man on the planet be late!?! Oh, no, now the clothes are out of the suitcase. This is NOT going well.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

“Not on top of your priority list” Now, that was a stinging comment if I’ve ever heard one. In your face, Clarkie!<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

Water, water, lots of water... and HER. Oh, and she packs witty lines, too! “<ST1:p<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Linda</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Lake</st1:PlaceName></ST1:p...” I am mentally preparing myself for <ST1:pClark</ST1:p’s first clever line in centuries. Come on, buddie, you HAVE to answer something snarky here! “You’re back” ... Silence. Is that it? “You’re back” ?? Argh, where is Green Arrow when you need a snarky comeback? At least, he sounds more mature. And might I add, I just LOVE the wet look. Good job director!<O:p</O:p

HAHAHAHA. Lois is truly back. Sarcasm and all. The complete package deal. Gotta love this girl.

I have to admit. I liked this episode, very, very much. Mostly because it signified the return of one my favourite comic book characters, Lois Lane. I was cautious, I thought I was going to hate Linda Lake's return and that it was going to be cheesy and stuff, but it surprised me in a positive way.

This was in no way replenishing the void the writers had left these past weeks. The Lana arc disappointed me to no end, and I still feel that way. But I have to admit, they are taking baby steps to the right direction.

ED was absolutely brilliant and I loved every line of hers. Also, the Lois and Clark scene at the barn! Is it just me, or was this scene uniquely hot?!

And the ending scene! What a fantastic, mindblowing ending scene! Congrats to whomever thought about it.
I give this epi an 8.5. WELCOME BACK SMALLVILLE! AND LOIS!

BAMAGIRL

03-13-2009, 09:20 AM

I posted this back in January in the "Will there be a global mindwipe" thread.

"I say no to the mindwipe.

If there is a global mindwipe, Clark would have to mindwipe as far back as as Hydro, otherwise he will have the same problem with Linda Lake as before. I think the ring and time travel will be the answer.

He'll go back to the time when Linda first tries to blackmail him.
"Quit blackmailing me or you'll be sorry" She refuses.
He zaps her with whatever that thing is which knocks out her meteor freakness. She is admitted to the hospital for "dehydration" where Davis smothers her with a pillow while she is being re-hydrated with a IV drip. Problem solved."

Yes, I nailed it! I am either the speculation GURU or this episode was very predictable. :D

Predictable or not, I gave this episode a 10. I really enjoyed it! I watched it three times, which I rarely do. I didn't fast forward through the boring parts, because there were no boring parts.

My only problem with this episode was the delivery of some of Clark's lines. As someone else stated, they were a little soft. When Clark said "Linda Lake! What are you doing here?" I cringed. He could have projected a little angst or impatience in his tone.

The last scene at the cafe devastated me (thanks to Erica's performance). Well done! I was a little disappointed, but I watched with calm acceptance. I really expected it. It was SO Clarky! Again, predictable, but in a good way.

stenochick

03-13-2009, 09:21 AM

...Tori Spelling actually makes me physically ill.

My husband said the same thing. Every single time Linda Lake was on screen. Which was just about all the time.

Is that you, honey? :lol:

The Clois was great and the end scene fit perfectly. I would have found it less believable if he had joined her for coffee. Hurt someone to avoid a greater hurt; that's a tough position to be in. I don't think he could have gone for just coffee and he knew it as well.

Yes. ITA. It is classic Superman. Clark and Lois can't help it if Smallville played this to death with Clark and Lana, but it is classic, iconic Superman to have Clark hide his love and his identity from Lois.

He could have gone for coffee if he had no feelings beyond friendship or respect and admiration for her as a coworker. But he knows that he has feelings for her and cannot go there until he gets over Lana and figures out the dual-identity superhero thing first.

Joelito

03-13-2009, 09:23 AM

7, and was only the clois moment that saved the show.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 09:27 AM

My husband said the same thing. Every single time Linda Lake was on screen. Which was just about all the time.

Is that you, honey? :lol:

Yes. ITA. It is classic Superman. Clark and Lois can't help it if Smallville played this to death with Clark and Lana, but it is classic, iconic Superman to have Clark hide his love and his identity from Lois.

He could have gone for coffee if he had no feelings beyond friendship or respect and admiration for her as a coworker. But he knows that he has feelings for her and cannot go there until he gets over Lana and figures out the dual-identity superhero thing first.
ITA. Stenochick, your post is perfect. It is exactly what I try to say for hours;)

stenochick

03-13-2009, 09:32 AM

Of course, this now brings up the question of why not go back to before Lana was irradiated and that makes that whole arc even dumber than before.

We got Chloe at the hospital to be with Jimmy, Lois and Clark discussing their near kiss, RBB heroics, Doomsday being a stone cold killer. It's like the Lana arc was a completely different show.

I had already raised the question of why Clark didn't go back in time to before Lana. I think it is because he knows deep down that Lana wants the be a Superhero, and independent of Clark. Also, I think he believes that Lana would be upset with him if he messed with her Supersuit in any way. Clark knows he needs to just let her go and get over her. Perhaps he thinks that she is a little cuckoo for cocoa-puffs as well.

The Lana arc was an extended "product placement" promo/trailer for "Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun-Li."

sithius

03-13-2009, 09:34 AM

cma_454

03-13-2009, 09:42 AM

I can't get over the fact that Clark put the ring on and ignored Lois, argh. Silly scripting right there.

'Clark, you're not going to believe this, BUT'

if someone said that, I WOULD wait and hear them out, because it's obviously something incredibly important and it might very well be relevant to me when I go back in time. That really did annoy me, I'm surprised others aren't overly bothered by it.

Yep, can't wait for her to finish her sentence, gotta hurry (even though, with the ring, he literally had, "All the time in the world.")

Just another guest appearance by the infamous BDA. Now there’s a character I’d like to see bite the dust.

dimeo782002

03-13-2009, 09:46 AM

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY SupesComicFan;4598909] (this would look too much like the kiss Chloe forced on Clark in Vessel,

PFFFT ! :rolleyes:

rollergirl42

03-13-2009, 09:50 AM

I gave it a 8 just because Clark is an idoit for not meeting Lois at the coffee shop. I understand the writers not wanting to get them together yet, they would not have anything for next season, but he still could of told her about himself. and where he came from just like Lana and Chloe. about Linda Lake knowing about Dave Bloom remember she can turn into water so she was watching him for some time.
I agree, Clark should of waited until Lois finished telling him the message from Chloe. after all she is his best friend and what she said is always important.

LuckyLois

03-13-2009, 10:19 AM

First of all I just would like to thank Glen Winter for posting at K-site. It really means a lot to the fans here that you are even interested in our opinions and that you get to see how passionate we are about the show. Please tell all the actors how much we love them and appreciate their hard work as well as the people who make it happen behind the scenes.

Please tell Tom he has never been better, love his directing too and I can't wait to see what is in store for next season! Welcome back Erica, we missed you so much!!

EVEN MORE WARNING THAN USUAL OF REALLY LONG POST! Skip at will with aid of sidebar :o Though in fairness I do think I make some valid points ;) But then I would think that wouldn't I? :o

Having now watched the episode twice, I gotta say it's just as good the second time around :D Can't say how much of a relief that is after the rollercoaster ride and devastation I felt thanks to the fiasco of Power and Requiem. Have I forgotten they happened? HELL NO! I should be so lucky. Where's a good mind wipe when you need one, huh? But the fact it seems the show hasn't forgotten them either goes a long way with me. I feared we'd get a band aid placed over the gaping wound, so color me surprised :p

This was always gonna be a great follow up to Identity. They said this year the theme was dual identities and with the continuation of Davis' decline into Doomsday it's great to see the parallel of Clark's ever increasing steps towards becoming the guy in the cape we're all waiting for. Identity opened up the possibility to Clark of the world seeing what he does as symbolic of hope. I'll never forget the look on his face when people saw Oliver on the roof and Clark looked around at their reactions. Same when he saw their reaction to the RBB headline the next day. And he's lived in fear his whole life of people accepting him for who and what he is, so to have him get a glimpse of that reaction in Infamous was GREAT. Nicely done show. And another piece of the puzzle for Clark.

LOIS IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lord but I've missed her. 100 days off my TV screen was 93 too long. I get how it fitted into the storyline, but it didn't make it any easier to take and having Lois say the line: "Nice to be back" was met with a HELL YEAH in my house! I'm glad it was made clear there had been SOME contact with Clark while she was gone and I'm glad she was mad at him for 'forgetting' about her. The fact she was apparently so low on his list of priorities is exactly how a lot of Lois fans have felt when it came to both Clark and the show itself, so it helped hearing her say it but it reminded me of how awful it was to see her walking away in slow motion at the end of Bride. :( I don't want the same angst and melodrama for Lois that Lana had in seasons past. And I sincerely hope that's not what we're going to get in the future. The characters are theoretically MORE MATURE now. Be nice if they came to relationships with that same maturity. But I'll get to that later.

Linda Lake coming back was PERFECT for this story I thought. It added to the kind of continuity this season has been much better with than previous seasons. And as a big fan of continuity this episode made me very happy. Linda needing her career back after a long absence we learned was due to more than her previous villainy was completely believable and the fact blackmailing Clark picked up on the storyline from season six tied it all in very nicely. Adding Black Creek to the mix was clever too. Good writing.

Chloe's conversation with Clark was the kind of conversation I love to see between these two. She gave him a different POV on coming out to the world. He debated it back. Both sides of the argument had merit but Clark, rather than blindly taking someone elses advice, stuck to his guns and had the courage of his convictions. This is SO much better than having his thinking done for him by someone else. EVERY SINGLE TIME this show uses another character to do Clark's thinking for him IT WEAKENS HIM. He's not a kid anymore. Nor is he an angst ridden teenager bouncing a ball against a wall in the barn - THANK GOD. So more scenes like this between Chloe and Clark and Clark and anybody else would be MORE than welcome. Really liked this scene. Chloe was right, but Clark had to find out on his own. THAT goes more towards his character development than anything else in my opinion. It's HIS journey after all...

The big reveal to Lois was PERFECT. Both Tom and Erica NAILED THIS. Every time I see them on screen together it reminds me of why I love the Lois and Clark dynamic so much. Lois giving him the cold shoulder because he was late picking her up, the way she laughed when he told her he was the RBB. LOVED IT. And it was a great response to Clark's expression when he told her. He was so happy to be able to say it, you could see it on his face. And of all the possible scenarios he'd considered in the past when it came to telling people, I think being laughed at that way was pretty far down the list. Then the way he tried to convince her - MORE CONTINUITY YAY! - and the way he said 'let me help you with that' before lifting the desk? WONDERFUL. I loved the whole scene from beginning to end. Lois' reaction to the news being the same as it was before, the way she was so calm about asking him everything, that moment where he stepped towards her and the small step she took back causing him to look hurt and hesitate before he continued... Then there was the way Lois instinctively held her hands over her body when she asked him about seeing through things :D Just BRILLIANT. The timing and reactions were spot on. The only tiny quibble I would have would be with the fact Clark felt the need to tell her she was the last to know. For a moment she was so proud that he'd chosen her to tell his secret to. And he was right to be honest with her, but knowing Lana and Chloe had known for years stung - and you could see it on Lois' face. A small word or two to say they'd found out on their own would have eased the sting for Lois AND for me. But I guess since the theme seems to be wounding Lois when it comes to the romantic element of this relationship I shouldn't be surprised that the show chose not to have Clark tell her she was the first person he'd told VOLUNTARILY. A little of her reaction to Krypton would have been nice too, but since the overall pacing of the episode was so tight and so fast moving and seamless I really can't complain. I also LOVED the gentlemanly way he asked would she do him the honor of writing his story. It made me LOVE him.

Clark's reaction to how he was accepted after the article came out was soooooo lovely. He was shy and proud and unassuming and bemused and relieved all at the same time. I thought Tom played this scene BEAUTIFULLY and having Clark hear how much he was needed in Metropolis from the newspaper vendor was exactly what he needed to hear. It's all fine and well feeding him the famous THE WORLD NEEDS YOU line ad nausea and ad infinitum but having someone who doesn't know him point out the difference he's made was so much more satisfying. I wish we could have more of this kind of thing. I felt the same way watching the scene where he talked Bette down in Plastique. He should be learning from his experiences and what happens around him, NOT being forced into a corner because of what he can do. To me that was always a big part of Superman. He did what he did because he COULD. Not because all his friends and the loss of family and loved ones gave him no other choice in the matter. I don't want Clark to be TOLD. I want him to FIGURE IT OUT and do it because he WANTS TO. Yes, the world needs him, and I don't for a minute think Clark hasn't figured that out along the way. Thing is, it has to be on HIS terms. He may sacrifice his life for the world one day and how will his friends feel if they pushed him into it? So enough with the pushing from other people I say. Let the poor guy work it out. So scenes like this make me very happy. It confirmed what he'd felt about peoples reactions in Identity and yes, he would have figured that out and HAD figured that out without Chloe telling him. So enough of the scenes where Chloe is the one who does all the thinking, and more scenes like these please.

Chloe trying to get Jimmy into the hospital and not being able to after the article came out was great too. Nice to know she's remembered she's still married for one thing. And to see her fighting for Jimmy's welfare was the kind of thing I wanted to see during the Lana arc. Instead she came off badly in that arc for wandering around Metropolis drinking coffee and doing the things Clark could have done himself or had OLIVER do. In fact seeing Oliver's reaction to the whole power suit angle would have been much more interesting to me. Both Clark and Chloe had an emotional attachment to Lana and knew the history behind what she was doing. Having Oliver do the scene where the hard drive was found at Isis would have introduced a fresh perspective - not necessarily an impartial one when it comes to Lex - but it would have been much more interesting and would have allowed Chloe to be with her husband, which would have been much more in keeping with her character in my opinion.

The scene with Davis was well done. Straight away we could see Davis was more on edge than before and fighting for control. The conversation Chloe said was about the kiss and Davis thought was about the fortress was great too. It set things up nicely for things to come...

Linda turning the tables was so seamlessly woven into the scene where Clark was dealing with his new found fame that it caught me completely off guard even though I knew it was coming. And even though I was still trying to work out why no-one had noticed her becoming a puddle of water in front of Clark and TV cameras and a crowd full of people earlier on :rolleyes: That then blended beautifully into the authorities arriving and questioning Clark. I LOVED THIS because it's so in keeping with the 'reality' edge Smallville has to the story. Yes we're talking about superpowers and meteor freaks and aliens but the show, to me, is grounded in that reality and the question of how the world would REALLY react to all those things. I love that about the show and always have. So to see the authorities seeking to do tests and seeing Clark's immediate reaction to that (a fear of old after all and the one his parents always had) was not only wonderful, it was also completely believable. I LOVED Clark in this scene again. Felt sorry for his mother's kitchen mind you, and thought the reaction of the authorities was a tad over-kill, but it was the way that Clark told them there wouldn't be any tests and the way he stood tall and let the bullets bounce off him that really made me enjoy it. Every time Clark comes into his own I cheer. This was one of those times.

The following scene with Chloe made sense, despite the fact the authorities had told Clark they were going after Lois too. Chloe had just left the farm and Clark is faster than the men with guns and bad aim, so he was able to get to Chloe and warn her to get away. The Legion ring - not a big surprise for those of us here at K-Site - but again continuity and again it made sense. Clark's desperation here was well played. He didn't stop to tell Chloe some long exposition about what had happened. The dialogue was snappy, the scene was tight and both Allison and Tom did a GREAT job with it. I really can't say enough about the pacing of this episode. Whenever I'm so wrapped up in what's happening onscreen that I fail to notice how fast the time is going by until an ad break, the director is doing his job IMO. So GOOD JOB Glen Winter!!! The story SHOULD suck me in. I should be totally immersed in that world. And Smallville can sometimes fail in that aspect so badly that it doesn't worry me if I leave the room to make a cup of coffee. That shouldn't happen IMO.

Also the Davis to Chloe reveal was well done I thought. Tightly scripted. Chloe's reaction to the bombshell was beautifully played - her horror was particularly well done on Allison's part. Also made sense that the 'human' side of Davis would warn Clark's best friend. It showed he's still raging an inner battle. It does beg the question of why Chloe does the things she does in later episodes. But again, that's good writing, cos now I need to tune in to find out, don't I? :) I have to mention the special effects here. To me this was the BEST transformation yet. To see those ebony protrusions pop out of his forehead like that? Soooooooo gooood!!! Short but incredibly effective. LOVED IT.

Lois' reaction to the article dropped on her desk: GO LOIS! Her hell no made me grin from ear to ear. That's iconic Lois Lane right there. She always championed Superman, even when she didn't know who he really was and her dig at Linda in the elevator about stories needing facts shows how far she's come professionally since her days of chasing a front page story on the Green Arrow Bandit. :D Also love it when Lois stands her ground with someone who can trade jibes with her. When she made the comment about how Clark could have been the hero people had always needed, I got a sense that she was talking about herself too. And the fact that she loves Clark adds to that feeling. Lois HAS always needed a hero. She has a vulnerable streak despite her outer bravado. So in that sense she's representative of us all. Having her see it not just from the pov of the world needing Clark on a heroic level was spot on.

Then the barn scene after Clark rescued her. I have to say straight off the bat that Tom and Erica ROCKED this scene. The more the showrunners give them to work with the better they do. And the conversation between Lois and Clark was compelling to watch. Lois is a fighter. She was prepared to stand and fight against the injustice of the way Clark was being treated and wanted him to do the same thing. Clark knew it had gone beyond that and that he had a way to fix things. But it was Lois' reaction to that I felt the emotional reaction to. I've played this scenario from varying different directions since the spoilers came out, and I'll be honest - I'd always hoped that Lois would tell Clark it was his decision and nobody elses. Instead we had Lois' obvious pain at what had happened and how unfair it was mixed in with her own feelings for Clark. It confirmed the feeling I had when she was talking to Linda Lake. Lois fell in love with Clark almost despite the fact he was a hero. As she said, she'd been down the hero road before. When she talked about how some people spent all their lives trying to stand out and be considered special, again it wasn't just Clark she was talking about. It was her. Her greatest fear has always been that she would be left behind. Like when her mother died. Or when her father had to go be a General. Or, more specifically in this scenario, when Oliver left her to go be a superhero.

There has been a question in some peoples minds since Siren of how Lois would cope with Clark's life after stating so clearly she couldn't deal with Oliver's. Infamous answered that question. And by resetting time and choosing to not to tell her his secret again, it was heartbreaking knowing he was basically doing exactly the same thing to her. He was leaving her behind. And when she'd made the decision, for the first time, to stick with someone and work through it, it was all the more heartbreaking to see from Lois' point of view. She was trying to tell him how she felt. He said he got it. She was right, he didn't. And again another line here would have made me feel better. If Clark had explained WHY he wouldn't tell her again it would at least have showed how he felt. What difference did it make? He was going to reset time anyway. And it would have served to show the VIEWER the feelings behind him telling her she was special and why it was because she's special that he wouldn't take the chance again. I understand that his feelings need to be obscure from Lois' pov to keep the romantic tension going in the future, but it would have made more sense in the bigger picture. It's too soon after the Lana fiasco in my opinion to have full blown emotions for Lois and it was plain in Bulletproof that even he doesn't know where his head is at when it comes to Lois. But regardless of ALL that, to have him tell Lois he wanted to keep her safe because he was scared she would get hurt or that recent events had shown him how high the cost could be to someone he cares about would have gone a long way with this VIEWER. As it was it was too obscure. And again it made Lois look less important to him than she is, even as a friend. So that bugged me in what was otherwise a multi-layered, beautiful played, emotional scene.

Lois kicking ass is always good. The fact she was one of the few people in the known Smallville universe who didn't know why Clark was writhing on the ground helped with the Kryptonite plot device we've seen so many times that once again I'll say Kryptonite is easier to find in Smallville than a Starbucks in Manhattan. :rolleyes: That she was about to tell Clark about Davis just as he made the leap back in time? FANTASTIC. Where the hell was this writing for the last two episodes??? SEE WHAT HAPPENS when we plot a storyarc BEFORE we plot the rest of what was and seems to be a tight season in the episodes to come showrunners? You raise the bar we expect more - so it's your own fault. And it's episodes like this, even with old plot devices, that make Power and Requiem look even worse than they did before. Not that I thought that was humanly possible. :mad:

Time reset. Good guess with that one Clark without any practice. And once again we have Clark in the kind of hero mode that just DOES IT for me. Tom plays these scenes so well he practically OOZES Superman and again the maturity Clark has shown this year in these kinds of scenes just make Power and Requiem all the worse. Sigh. I wish I could forget them, I really do. He was GREAT in this scene and Linda Lake got her come-uppance the way a Superman villain should. He didn't kill her, he knew how to deal with her. And once again it goes back to a scene with Chloe where Clark was given information without needing to be given step by step instructions on how to USE that information. Good job Caroline Dries with the writing on this one I say! And again good direction with the script! MORE OF THIS PLEASE SMALLVILLE.

Clark then learned from his mistakes - HALLELUJAH - and collected Lois from the airport the second time around. And here's where I had another small problem. I didn't like that she invited him for coffee. The way she kinda swayed back and forth on the subject of what almost happened at the wedding was very in character after she'd once again put her foot in it, and I understand that there's their friendship to consider too. But after how hurt she was at the end of Bride, this was the last thing I expected or wanted from Lois quite frankly. I expected her to come back with her walls firmly in place and for Clark to have to work at their friendship while not understanding why he was being treated that way. It would still have allowed for the tension to build and it would still have stalled the romantic relationship so I really don't accept that this was the only way to go. Instead it once again put Lois in a vulnerable position and I HATE THAT. This isn't Clana angst-of-old territory and the showrunners should remember that. This is a completely new dynamic and one with plenty of scope for sexual tension in a way that was never present during the High School years. Lois could very easily have been as flippant with Clark as she was when he came to tell her his secret in the first timeline, with snarky comments about knowing where she stood and him not worrying about it. Instead they chose to have her put herself out there emotionally AGAIN. I didn't like that. The end scene I'll get to in a minute, but the fact this was the set up for it bugged me as a Lois fan. I won't be happy with her being an emotional punching bag and I sincerely hope this is dealt with in the future now that we know we have another season ahead of us. Just smacked of a lack of creativity to me and a need for the kind of emotional angst that a lot of viewers are sick to death of on this show. It's NOT A SOAP OPERA. It's a SUPERHERO show. I wish the showrunners would remember that.

The next Clark and Chloe scene fell back into the mode of Chloe doing Clark's thinking for him. :mad: Dear lord will it never end. And having had the earlier scenes work so well this rattled my cage. Are we now suggesting that the whole Superman/mild mannered reporter personas were Chloe's idea and not Clark's??? Seriously?! It's a miracle the man can pick what underwear to wear on his own. Then again considering where that underwear might end up in his superhero costume...

It would seem to me it would serve Chloe's character much better if she spent more time sorting out her own life than wrapping Clark's up in a neat little bow so he doesn't have to use a Kryptonian brain cell. I'm honestly getting sick of this. Scenes where they bounce ideas or different POV's off each other or where a piece of information is given to Clark in an almost Watchtower like capacity, or using their conversations to show how Clark is feeling about something are all great. But when is the last time we had a Clark/Chloe conversation when he was a friend to HER and SHE listened? Instead we have scenes like this where Chloe does the thinking for Clark and presents him with a solution he could have discovered for himself given the time and the free thinking to do it. It makes him look like an idiot who is led by the strong women in his life. It WEAKENS him. Enough already!!! Let this friendship be a two way street and let's see Chloe working on her own life. This scene didn't even serve to show us how Clark is feeling about Lois - which would have led us better into the next scene as a viewer. Instead we had Chloe once again feed him a line and Clark fell back on the tired excuse of protecting the people in his life. It's not that it isn't the reason behind it, because it's most certainly a huge part of it, but if the goddamn Lana arc has any use beyond serving HER character it should be shown to be the reason why Clark is even MORE determined not to tell anyone close to him his secret ever again. That makes more sense. It's not just that he tried before, they tried to make their relationship work from every angle possible, AND he has the recent experience of coming clean to add to that. What he should come to realize is that it's more of a case of the PERSON than it is the situation. Lois isn't Lana. Nor is she Chloe. But instead of making that kind of mature thinking clear to the viewer again we were left with ambiguity. He said for a moment, after he told Lois, he had thought he could have it all. Did he mean PRIOR to the article coming out? Was that a reference to his personal life as well as his part as a hero? When Chloe asked him point blank if he was protecting himself from further hurt he avoided the subject by saying he'd destroyed the Legion ring. It was a wasted opportunity as far as I'm concerned. And I'll be watching future episodes to see if we're given a little more information about how Clark is feeling in what the show has set up as the romantic relationship in his life. It can't go on forever with Lois being using as the emotional punching bag before a great many viewers won't WANT them together. And if that's the case then the shows attempt at a romantic relationship between Lois and Clark will have FAILED. The dance is a huge part of the romantic journey between these two and has enthralled fans for generations. But there's no reason why the VIEWER can't know what's going on in the characters minds. It lets us in on the secret. It attaches us to them and draws us in. We have to root for them and cheer them on and be sad when it doesn't work. And ONCE AGAIN it weakens Clark. He becomes the guy who doesn't give a damn cos hey, it's nothing to do with him. She becomes the girl to be pitied or laughed at cos c'mon, what's she doing pining after him when he plainly doesn't care? And that's just NOT what the Lois Lane and Clark Kent love story is all about in my opinion. So this really needs to be sorted out...

Davis and Linda to me was Davis crossing the line. He may have had the Doomsday red eyes when he murdered her, but he didn't transform into the monster and rip her into plastic bag sized pieces. He smothered her. That's a very up close and personal murder. Holding a pillow over a persons face takes a certain amount of understanding that I don't believe Doomsday possesses. Maybe he does and that's why he knows who Chloe is in that form. But to stand still and hold that pillow down until Linda stopped fighting? That to me blurred the line between Davis and Doomsday. And to then have him toss the tablets he was using to control himself to one side? It's gonna be all downhill from here on in really... PLUS once again he walked away from the crime. Well... here's hoping that room didn't have the same camera that caught Chloe, right?

Which brings me to the end scene at the coffee shop. I'm honestly not sure how many more of these I can take. :( And having Clark turn up and stand across the street was almost worse than it would have been to have him stand her up and later find out he'd been off doing RBB things. Instead he seemed to waver. He'd gone that far so it was obvious he wanted to be there, but at the same time his insecurities held him back. His indecision was palpable and I really felt the emotion of the scene. What would have tipped it over the edge for me would have been if I'd known what was going on in his mind. Instead I was left with the feeling that it was easy for him to walk away at this point. That even their friendship didn't merit working on. It was INCREDIBLY SAD and I don't hate Clark for doing what he did but with more of a set up it could have been so much better. The one I truly felt for in that scene was LOIS. Again she'd tried to reach out and again she'd been knocked back and having her reply to his text saying she couldn't make it either while we knew he was standing across the street from her? It was heartbreaking and humiliating at that point. If I'd known a little more about Clark's emotions it would have been even more emotional. Instead I have to remind myself he doesn't know how she feels. And I DO believe it's too soon for him to jump into deep emotions with her after Lana. But even when the Clark Kent of mythology is watching the woman he loves fall in love with his alter ego, he still doesn't let it effect whatever friendship or working relationship he has with her. We the viewer get to see his inner battle, she doesn't. And that's what was missing here. Even if he's only just begun to realize he has feelings for Lois it should be less obscure to the viewer than it is at present. All in all I understood the scene and could piece together why he was doing what he was and why, but I'm sorry - that's not my job. At least the figuring it all out part isn't. It's the writer's job to make it clear to me and so far, throughout the set up of this relationship, where Clark is at has been vaguely hinted at, alluded to, and obscure. I've almost had enough of it frankly. So it's a case of put up or shut up for me when it comes to romantic Lois Lane and Clark Kent on this show. Either build the relationship from BOTH sides or leave it the hell alone and build the characters separately into two people I can imagine being together in the future. Right now it's tainting my view of the iconic Lane and Kent relationship. The thought that Clark Kent loves Lois Lane from afar has always been very poignant to me. To believe that he's loving a woman from afar who once loved him and he stomped all over those emotions, even without knowing, makes me less sympathetic towards his plight. So knock it on the head Smallville. If you're going to do full romantic Clois at some point then set it up better than you're doing now. I want to believe. Right now you're not making me believe. And as writers, that's what you're paid for.

It's a shame really. Because apart from the things I've pointed out this was a damn near perfect episode for me. The way it slotted into the rest of the season pre-Power, all the mythos moments, the fact it was another part of the secret identity puzzle, Clark's heroic actions and the impeccable pacing of this episode would have earned it a perfect score from me. As it was with the parts that bugged me I have to give it a nine. It would have been eight except they finally brought Lois back!!! And week one of the now you see her now you don't begins... :rolleyes:

Annie, you must be reading my mind, except I didn't think of the underwear comment!:lol: Please writers let Clark think for himself, smart, thinking Clark is always sexier!!;)

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 10:21 AM

Just as Anna and I said yesterday evening, I want to add : French women love Clark Kent more and more!!!! :lol:;)

SupermanRox

03-13-2009, 10:23 AM

I gave it an 8. Like many of you, I would have given it a 10 if Clark had met Lois at the coffee shop. Butttt....since he made my girl unhappy I had to cut my rating.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 10:27 AM

It is funny how we can see things in differents ways, I give a 10 especially for the last scene (though I understand your POV, Amy);)I am crazy about this scene, the best ever !

petitemimi

03-13-2009, 10:55 AM

I gave it an 8. Good episode. Even though there was a lot crammed into one episode, the pacing was good. Once again though, the writing does no favor to Clark. But hey that's expected from Caroline Dries who always looks like she would prefer to lose her right hand rather than writing Clark intelligently.

I understand the dramatic need to have Clark put the ring on just before Chloe can talk but they could have made it look like Chloe arrived just a second too late, instead of making it look like Clark purposefully didn't want to listen to her. Not well done. Just an excuse for people to bash Clark once again.:rolleyes:

I liked the clois scenes. I like how Lois reacted when she knew that clark was an alien. About the last scene, I see that Clark realized when he saw Lois at the coffee shop that this wasn't going to be a casual conversation, based on his feelings and her waiting for him. I'm afraid though that the show will clanafy the relationship with unnecessary angst.

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 11:03 AM

There won't be angst to me. Lois will do like nothing happened. She will consider Clark has made his choice, so she will let go. She is too proud to show something. IMO

wafflles87

03-13-2009, 11:05 AM

9 because he hurt Lois in the end. It may have been for good reasons, it may not have been, but Lois was hurt, and I'm knocking a point off for that.

KiroAEPi

03-13-2009, 11:21 AM

another turn back time episode...hmmm...can't be too excited about it
Doomy killing Linda Lake almost saved the episode though if it wasn't for that awful cafe scene. just IMO

Remy72883

03-13-2009, 11:22 AM

Personally i loves this episode this show hasent dissapointed me ever. I think their really starting to build everything up for season 9. I thought the acting and story was perfect and how Clark yet again understands the sacrifice with Lois is wonderful. Everyone just has to be patient. Eventally that heart of steal will crack and we will get to see them together.

Clana Kent

03-13-2009, 11:28 AM

After that brief decline into previous seasons, Smallville has another good episode. My show looks like it's back!
It was never gone :p the episode was quite good so I gave it a 7.
the episode seemed fairly rushed and I didn't like the Davis/Linda scene at the end.
I did like the part at the end, where Clark messaged Lois and she messaged him back she couldn't make it anyway :lol:
And I liked Chloe a lot this episode :D She was brilliant and her conversations with Clark were terrific ;)

BadToad

03-13-2009, 11:30 AM

I could only give the episode a 6. I'm not mad at any characters, or feel the need to bash any of them. But I am really frustrated with the writing. And Dries' dialogue was beyond cringeworthy in some areas. Tori Spelling was not nearly as fun this time around as she was last time (in a far better written episode).

I found Lois came across as very sympathetic, and I was definitely feeling badly for her. I'm just disappointed that they've had her put so much out there while they keep Clark's feeling so ambigious. I just don't much like this direction, and it feels like soap opera writing to me. That said, the last scene was directed beautifully, and the song was lovely.

Chloe came across as a strong and loyal friend, but I'm sorry that they wrote 2 of the Chlark scenes in a habit that works my last nerve...Chloe as the brains, Clark not so much. I don't believe this dynamic serves this friendship at all, and it makes it so hard for me to enjoy their scenes the way I used to.

The Chloe/Davis scenes were pretty good, though I'm not necessarily a fan. Well played by both actors.

The scene with the bullets bouncing off Clark was a highlight. So was Lois finding out Clark's secret. And Lois kicking Linda's butt was lots of fun.

Tom was beautiful, and carries himself very Superman-ly (when he's allowed), but I really felt he was so handcuffed by this script. I can't imagine how difficult it is to play scenes when your characters thoughts and motivations are so murky. He's doing his best, but it must be like pushing jello uphill with a pitchfork.

I think the direction this show took somewhere around Abyss has broken my SV Squeee! :(

LoveHurts38

03-13-2009, 11:41 AM

I gave it a 10 for my Lo being back.....the episode it's good just too rushed.

dezperado

03-13-2009, 11:42 AM

Gave the second season eight premeire a 9. It was a solid episode. And the ending was good too. You can't have Clark jump head into a relationship with Lois. (Who by the way was looking so HOT.)

loislanefan12

03-13-2009, 11:44 AM

I was once a huge fan of the show. But all they do is mind <ACRONYM title=**** _jfwI="0" BFoa6="0">****</ACRONYM> with people, normally it would be good, but the show keeps making stupid decisions regarding plots, characterization, and the ever so boring secrets. Smallville has gone down hill since Committed.

skugers

03-13-2009, 11:52 AM

It is funny how we can see things in differents ways, I give a 10 especially for the last scene (though I understand your POV, Amy);)I am crazy about this scene, the best ever !

I definitely back you up on this one! I totally loved the scene! Although Lois was hurt Clark made the right decision. The difference between Bride and Infamous is that in Infamous he realizes he really hurt Lois, but he thinks is for her own good. And, deep down inside, for his own too, because he's afraid to start a new relationship.

fbvn6377

03-13-2009, 11:53 AM

9/10
Loved it after the lack of fresh episodes for some weeks and the tiresome rollercoaster the series renewel has been for the the last weeks.
the episode was gushing to references to the richard donner movie (the lois scenes actually), the story was ok except for tori spelling with her face you wanna bash....
loved the power-display scenes.
also a fact clark mentioned: you cannot change the course of time without consequences with that big close-up onto chloe's face : don't you think she is bound to die in the grips of Doomsday.
also an episode with a blessing turning into a curse : Clark's exposure turns out to be a real failure and more of a disaster than an asset. hence his need to preserve his dual identities. another point in the building-up of the superman-to-be.
and did I say i loved the scenes with lois ?
definitely a good episode. keep this end of s8 up, PS3 !!

skugers

03-13-2009, 11:53 AM

There won't be angst to me. Lois will do like nothing happened. She will consider Clark has made his choice, so she will let go. She is too proud to show something. IMO
ITA!!!
No pining, no moping!
Clark will regret it all and go chase her like a puppy!

Tompouce

03-13-2009, 11:58 AM

I definitely back you up on this one! I totally loved the scene! Although Lois was hurt Clark made the right decision. The difference between Bride and Infamous is that in Infamous he realizes he really hurt Lois, but he thinks is for her own good. And, deep down inside, for his own too, because he's afraid to start a new relationship.
Anna, it seems we completely agree about Infamous (French Women love Clark Kent who is falling for Lois:D):p

AChloeChick

03-13-2009, 12:05 PM

La Donna, I have to admit, when she took a stand against Davis and ran out of the place I was proud of her. Good Job Chloe.

..But May 14th still can't get here soon enough.

Wow! Miracles never cease to happen. I'm thinking about turning this into my wallpaper.

J/K.

Infamous is the perfect example of why I adore Chloe and Chlark so much. It's about darn time I get real Chloe and real Chlark back.

I was SO glad and relieved Chloe reacted the way she did once she realized Davis is ultimately DD. The Chloe I've known and loved all these years seems to be back!

PLEASE don't take her away again. Keep this Chloe, the real Chloe, and don't EVER go back to pod Chloe.

Lazy Boy

03-13-2009, 12:06 PM

Am I just getting old or is the dialogue on the Smallville these days are becoming more and more ridiculous?? I haven't seen the whole episode yet but judging from the snippets I've seen so far, the dialogue seems to be getting more and more corny to the point that I'm in the danger of wearing out the mute button.

smilingalways2

03-13-2009, 12:24 PM

First of all, I love that the directors read this forum from time to time:

Psst...ERICA DURANCE NEEDS TO BE IN ALL 22 EPISODES IN SEASON 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rate this episode 8/10. I loved the special effects with Linda Lake, Clark/officers, Davis/Doomsday. Fabulously done!

THE HIGHLIGHT FOR ME WAS DEFINITELY LOIS' RETURN. I SO MISSED HER!!!!

I also loved that she expressed how hurt she was with Clark; how forgotten she felt by him. The reveal was pretty good all in all. Loved how he picked up the desk and then caught her. Also loved the crack he made as to it never being a good thing when she is speechless...LOL. Yes, it would've been nice, had he explained she was the first person he had CHOSEN to tell (after Linda Lake's ultimatum), but, you can't have it all. I thought, however, it was unLoislike for her to be so willing to write this article without mentioning how this could negatively impact him. This I didn't believe at all...

I thought Linda Lake did great being hateful.

The barn scene between Lois and Clark was well done. The "first dance" of their potential relationship worked for me. I liked how she told him that, although he was an alien and a hero, she would STILL be willing to give this a shot. I wasn't thrilled that she said outloud, that to her understanding Clark not retelling her his secret, meant to her that she wasn't special to him. I felt she had already put herself way out there and he needed to start doing the same. It was nice to hear him say out loud that his reason for not telling her was totally the contrary. It would've been nice to hear him elaborate as to why she is special to him...writers!!! And a hug or even a kiss on HER HAND would have sweetened the deal for me, as I totally agree, that a liplock would have been totally inappropriate after Lana's return. Mr. Director: why did you have him sort of smile while telling her she was special?? Still worked but it would've been so much more powerful for me had he been as dead serious as Lois....

The Legion ring was the only option to change things. It was nice to see that he didn't use it to "fix" the Lana situation. He certainly had the option to undo this and he didn't. But how terrible was it that he didn't hear Lois out before putting on the damn thing???? And if he did really destroy the ring, it could be a problem for Chloe. Although, if she turns out to be the vet that gets "killed" off, if the twist ends up being that she "dies" as the Chloe we know and love, and becomes Clark's enemy....that would be some seriously interesting story telling...

I enjoyed how the second time around Clark picked Lois up at the airport. Also liked that the writers had them try to talk about what almost happened at Chloe's wedding. I wasn't thrilled that the writers had Lois suggest they could get together for coffee to talk about it. Once she did, I wished that Clark had taken her up on her option to not over-analyze it, if he didn't want to. It would've been great if he had asked her for a rain-check. He could have admited that he knew they needed to discuss it but that he just wasn't ready at this time. Truly, I think the writers had a golden opportunity to have Clark demonstrate that he learned from his mistakes with Lana and was determined to act differently with Lois. I totally agree that, after what happened with Lana, they should wait and have this “complicated conversation” down the line. And I just would've been so happy to hear him say something like that but since that didn't happen... let me talk about how the episode actually ended.
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Personally, I would have preferred a different reaction from him. However, the way the writers had it play out, definitely broke my heart for both Lois and Clark. I mean he had every intention of meeting her. Regardless of whether or not you wanted him to sit with her for coffee or walk way, it did pull at the heart strings. He was only a couple of steps away from her before his fears got the best of him (whether it’s of protecting Lois, protecting his heart or a combination of both). After both text messages, I could feel both of their hearts breaking: hers for thinking he wasn't interested in being more than friends and his for knowing that's the impression he gave her. To me, it seems like the writers wanted to have us see the “softer, vulnerable, head over heals in love” side of Lois but I wish they had chosen another way. I love her character already so I didn’t need to see her heart breaking… yet again. Although, upon more reflection, every romance has its heartache especially when there’s baggage. That's just the way it is.

So, as painful as it was to watch this ending, it worked especially if the writers are, as I suspect, planning to introduce the Clark/Lois/RBB triangle...I can totally see how this could motivate Lois to bury her heartache in her work and pursue her mission to interview Superdude, as she phrased it.

Can't wait to see if the writers will: have Clark wear glasses, in future episodes, or have the RBB wear some type of mask over his eyes, and if Clark will finally be allowed to fly...

or not.

P.S. - TPTB @ Smallville - we really need Michael back as Lex. As we all know Lex can't possibly be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fly by guy

03-13-2009, 12:30 PM

Except for Hydro, I've never seen anything else Tori has done, but I really liked her in this episode. Gave the eppy a 9 and for me that's H I G H. It seems like a lifetime since we saw Lois. Poor Clois, like older Clana.

All about Clark

03-13-2009, 12:43 PM

I gave it a 9. It had some really nice parts, however I agree above about suggesting a rain-check for coffee. And him making the wrong assumption about Lois wanting Clark to come out instead of staying hidden. And Clark thinking it will never work with her. So it was kind of sad and yet good that Clark knows now what would happen if he completely came out, because if it wasn't Linda Lake, it would just be someone else trying to destroy his life.

Also, something else, Chloe clearly would have died in the original scenario by Doomsday, possibly forshadowing her eventual end. It's quite possible she's in too deep now to save herself. That guy just keeps coming back to her like a bad penny.

Doomsday44

03-13-2009, 12:55 PM

Great episode! It surpassed my expectations.

cypal

03-13-2009, 01:07 PM

I thought this episode was really good I give it a 9. The episode also answered questions and brought up some questions.
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First off, it answered Clark's question “What would it be like if the whole world knew about me?” It showed Clark how popular he got and also showed him how quick it can turn on him, and how much it can en-danger not only him but also the people he cares about. It showed him how Lois would react after finding out his secret, and shows Clark how much she really cares about him, on side note it would have been nice to see a little kiss seen between Lois & Clark how much they care for each other, but I think they showed that at the end to the fact that Lois was at the coffee shop and Clark was at a distance watching her. Part of him didn’t want to hurt her feelings but yet he wants her to be safe, but her reply from his text answered his question to the fact that Lois does in-fact really like him and hides it.
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The episode also brought up some questions as well, but after thinking about I came up with a few answers:<O:p</O:p

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Answer: If Clark knew about <st1:City w:st="on">Davis</st1:City> half way through the season it wouldn’t be much of a season then. It also adds the suspense to the fact that Clark doesn’t know who or where Doomsday is and that the Beast is still out there.<O:p</O:p

Why didn’t Clark use the Legion ring to prevent Lana from getting Lex’s super suit?
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Answer: Clark may have stopped Lana from getting Lex’s super suit but it may have not prevented Lana from leaving again. To be truthful, I was never a fan of what the writers did giving Lana super powers, and for bringing back the whole Clark and Lana love relationship. Don’t get me wrong it was nice to see in the last few seasons, but I was getting sick of seeing the whole on again off again relationship. So I’m glad the ended it, but I’m not a fan on how they did it.
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All and all it was a really good episode and the next upcoming episodes look to be really good and who knows, maybe we will see Clark fly next episode?

rajman

03-13-2009, 01:17 PM

i gave it a 10 because the is the beginning of something special

Saber

03-13-2009, 01:23 PM

I gave it a 6…I thought it was mediocre & predicable. Again, Clark destroys all the gadgets he fears instead of embracing it as a useful tool. First, it was his ship and now the Legion ring. I’ll leave it at that and wait for next week’s episode.

House of Brock

03-13-2009, 01:31 PM

I thought this episode was really good I give it a 9. The episode also answered questions and brought up some questions.
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First off, it answered Clark's question “What would it be like if the whole world knew about me?” It showed Clark how popular he got and also showed him how quick it can turn on him, and how much it can en-danger not only him but also the people he cares about. It showed him how Lois would react after finding out his secret, and shows Clark how much she really cares about him, on side note it would have been nice to see a little kiss seen between Lois & Clark how much they care for each other, but I think they showed that at the end to the fact that Lois was at the coffee shop and Clark was at a distance watching her. Part of him didn’t want to hurt her feelings but yet he wants her to be safe, but her reply from his text answered his question to the fact that Lois does in-fact really like him and hides it.
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Answer: If Clark knew about <st1:City w:st="on">Davis</st1:City> half way through the season it wouldn’t be much of a season then. It also adds the suspense to the fact that Clark doesn’t know who or where Doomsday is and that the Beast is still out there.<O:p</O:p

Why didn’t Clark use the Legion ring to prevent Lana from getting Lex’s super suit?
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Answer: Clark may have stopped Lana from getting Lex’s super suit but it may have not prevented Lana from leaving again. To be truthful, I was never a fan of what the writers did giving Lana super powers, and for bringing back the whole Clark and Lana love relationship. Don’t get me wrong it was nice to see in the last few seasons, but I was getting sick of seeing the whole on again off again relationship. So I’m glad the ended it, but I’m not a fan on how they did it.
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All and all it was a really good episode and the next upcoming episodes look to be really good and who knows, maybe we will see Clark fly next episode?

In regards to the Lana question, I think it would be good for them to mention something about that in the coming weeks.. some good dialogue about it would help bring even more closure. But, I think in Clark's mind Lana left him again. Not just in the romantic sense but overall as well. It was her choice to leave him and everyone else and a good explanation of why he didn't use the ring for her is that it was her choice, not his like it was in this episode.

dreamsofnever

03-13-2009, 01:42 PM

So, I gave this episode a 7. It was pretty good, but I definitely had some nitpicks. I should say that I'm biased against time travel storylines in general, so I'm sure that messed with my opinion as well.

So, starting out, we have the teaser. I really enjoyed the teaser. We had Lois ripping Clark a new one which was lovely and so very Lois. We had Linda Lake, who set up the storyline. I'm not a huge fan of Tori Spelling or her acting, but Linda Lake is a character you're supposed to love to hate and I have to say she does a good job in making a character that everyone loves to hate. (take that as you will)

Then the first act was the reveal. I wasn't a huge fan of Lois' five year old level "what's that noise?" when Clark was talking, but her ignoring him was funny, her laughing at him was funny, her annoyance was great and well placed (I believe it was about more than just him forgetting to pick her up as well) And that scene where he picks up the desk, and then she falls and he catches her? WOW. Just wow. The lighting in that scene was gorgeous. The way it was filmed was perfect. The acting was spot-on. It makes my heart swell just thinking about it. So, a very good scene. Oh ,and the Clark and Chloe barn scene was great too. I really enjoyed the back and forth. Clark had an opinion, Chloe presented an alternate side and they BOTH came off looking intelligent. And in the end, Clark made up his own mind. He made the hasty choice, but he still made up his mind which was good.

Then we come back from the break and we have that incredibly epic scene with the newspaper vendor and then the admirers of Clark. That scene made me choke up. I honestly think that was one of the best scenes in Smallville ever. It was just a great scene.

I was iffy about the Chloe at the hospital scene. I loved that she was standing up for Jimmy and trying to make sure he was taken care of. (way to remember you're MARRIED, Chloe) but then as soon as she sees Davis, she runs off to have a talk about their almost-kiss and to basically try to be his friend. Now, I am coming from a standpoint of someone who is actually married and who has seen marriages fail. Maintaining a friendshp with a guy who tried to kiss you, knowing full well that you were weeks away from your wedding is opening yourself up to an affair. Even if it doesn't get physical, it's still emotional cheating. It bugs me a lot that the writers are so careless with Chloe's character and seem to be trying to make us lose respect for Chloe. I also didn't like the framing in that scene. The extreme close-ups were a little too up-close and framed oddly. But that's just me.

And then from there, the episode got dark very quickly. I loved that. I loved seeing that shining moment of hope and then seeing how badly it could go. From the people outside Clark's house to the way Chloe and Clark and the lighting in that scene gave the feel that they were hunkering down for a big storm (which, metaphorically, they were). It was just great. And when the feds came and the bullets were bouncing off Clark... now that there is classic Superman. So, awesome.

I did enjoy the scene where Clark is telling Chloe to leave town and I simply adored Lois being ready to fight back for Clark. And her 'hell no' was wonderfully delivered and so very Lois!

But, how many people wondered why Lois was running to TESS of all people to set things right? Since when do Lois and Tess get along for one thing, and since when is Tess such a pillar of goodness that Lois could trust her to do the right thing? Weird.

The Lois/Linda Lake elevator scene was excellent. And Clark saving Lois was also awesome and very classic.

I really loved the scene in the barn, from Lois telling Clark to stay and fight back to Lois' "I understand." when she realized Clark wasn't going to tell her his secret. I think this scene was interesting because it directly contrasts with Chloe's reaction in Abyss when she realized Clark was considering taking her memory of his secret. It's interesting how Lois accepted his decision and respected that she didn't have a *right* to know and contrasting that with the other two women in his life and how they both went after his secret and didn't stop until they uncovered it. My only complaint in this scene is that, yet again, it's almost all Lois' point of view. I would have liked a little more than Clark's logic-that-isn't statement that he can't tell her his secret because she's "special." Now, I was not hoping for full blown romantic Clois so soon after the Lana arc, but I would have liked to hear him say something to explain his thinking on why he can't tell her his secret. Because the "you're so special I have to lie to you and can never be with you" line of thinking is very dumb.

During the scene where Lois kicks Linda's butt, I really enjoyed seeing Lois pound the crap out of her, but I had one question... Why wouldn't Linda have turned to water? It just didn't make sense to me.

And the Chloe/Davis/Doomsday scene was so well played. I felt for Davis in the beginning, and when he started to change and told Chloe to run... I got chills. The scene could have been straight out of a horror movie with the suspense. It was very well done.

And then we have Clark taking the easy way out with the time traveling ring. I feared this was coming, but I had sincerely hoped that they wouldn't do yet another episode where everything is just magically wiped clean. I hate that. He should have learned his lesson when things went badly in Reckoning and yet, three seasons later, we have Clark doing the same thing.

Unfortunately, the episode went downhill after the time reversal.

Clark's moment with Linda Lake was pretty awesome though. It was dark with his "no one can ever know my identity." line and basically making it look like he'd killed Linda. I don't quite get the logic though, since she could still spill his secret even though she was arrested. But whatever.

I liked that Clark made it on time to pick Lois up at the airport this time. That was well played. I did not like that Lois put herself out there. I'm not sure why the writers feel that having women fawn all over Clark and making him look kind of like a jerk is good thing. As a Lois Lane fan since long before Smallville came along, I'm pissed that they put Lois in this position. She's supposed to be one tough cookie. I have no problem with her putting herself out there, but for her to put herself out there a second time after Clark dropped her like a hot potato when Lana came to town really didn't ring true for the character of Lois Lane to me.

After that, the conversation with Chloe and Clark bugged me too. Clark has been using his powers for going on eight years now to protect people. He has friends who are superheroes. He should know what an alter-ego is and he should realize the need to have one on his own. He shouldn't need Chloe to spoonfeed him every single thing about becoming Superman. And it's especially insulting that Chloe is spoonfeeding all this to him and he STILL doesn't get it! Now, Clark Kent is traditionally supposed to possess super intellect as well. He's supposed to be SMART. He's also supposed to make the decision to become a hero on his own. Yes, people influence him along the way. But the rate they're going, in the last episode of the series, Chloe will sew him the Superman costume, threaten him with kryptonite until he puts it in, and push him out of a plane to get him to fly. And that will be how we get our classic Superman.

Cut to the scene with Davis, and the thing that's changed. That scene was very creepy, and the connotations of what it will mean for Davis in the future are eerie. I won't say anymore, since I've read spoilers and I know exactly what they were trying to show in that last scene.

As for the last scene with Lois and Clark... I loved the song. I loved the new set. I thought both Erica and Tom hit it out of the park with their nonverbals in the scene. Those two are excellent at nonverbal acting. Honestly, they create a whole new dimension to every scene that transcends the writing and that's wonderful.

That said, I wasn't such a fan of the scene itself. Clark has been down the "I love her but I can't be with her" road before and I'm disappointed to see that he is not showing that he's learned from past mistakes yet. I understand why they did the scene, but I think the more mature thing would have been to meet her for coffee and say that he's just not prepared to go down that road with her. But it's interesting the contrast between Lois and Lana and how they react in different situations and I believe that's why they are setting up Clark doing the exact same thing. So he can see why Lois is different.

So, a 7 for an episode that overall was pretty well-done. I really did enjoy it, despite my nitpicks. I just hope the writers can break out of their usual rut with romance and show us something new and exciting both for the Clark and Lois interaction and for Clark outside of the Clois. I want to see Clois as endgame, yes. But more than that, I want to see Clark and Lois evolve into strong, independent people who are equals through and through. I want to see Lois continue to become the tough-as-nails, kick butt reporter she's meant to be. And I want to see Clark step up and not only become the hero he's meant to be, but show more of the gentlemanly side that I love so much in all other versions of Clark Kent.

I did really love the fact that even when the whole world had turned on him, Clark still believed the best of people though. To me, that is the essence of Superman and in those moments, he was very Super.

lifelovedestiny

03-13-2009, 01:44 PM

I gave it a 9. Overall, it was really good, but the ending was soo sad!!

Indira Kal

03-13-2009, 01:49 PM

4.

too sappy and "easy" with regards to Clark deciding to go public with his sectret. too out of character and place, IMO.

superpal1

03-13-2009, 01:49 PM

i liked this episdoe. It seems like fresh start to everything that came right before it. I like how this episode of course focused on why Clark must don the identity, but it also showed that he still has feelings for Lois. I also liked the change that time made happen with Davis giving up the pills and taking out Linda. Someone in previous post stated that Linda should have been smarter. I disagree. She never showed any signs other than being manipulative and self serving. Her pushing Davis to turn ended wrongly for her, but I think she thought that she had the upper hand. Also, someone stated that Clark turned back time for his own selfish reason of not being able to handle the stress. The only thing I can say is "Did you watch the episode". All the people close to Clark were in jeopardy from the government and from Linda, and Doomsday.

geminis

03-13-2009, 01:58 PM

This whole time period has been a rollercoaster for me: the debacle of the last few episodes that time and I have forgotten, work and home craziness, sickness, postponing Infamous, and then, they had Big 12 Basketball so Smallville was delayed slightly over an hour until 8:15 p.m. Kansas central and THEN, finally, when the glorious return of Lois Lane and better Smallville episodes returns, the sound on my DVR was wonky. AAARGH!! Fortunately, the game didn't preempt or interrupt Smallville, only Supernatural. Sigh.

Welcome to all the new people, you know who you are. :D

Welcome back also to Glen Winter, director extraordinaire. :D Bang up job as always; if only I were able to better enjoy the episode, but the sound cutting in and out really impeded my enjoyment. :( Even so, I've already watched it several times and still love it. Can't wait for your next piece de resistance and looking forward to next year too. Kudos to cast and crew and hope you all have a well deserved vacation.

The episode itself: LOIS!!!!! IS BACK!!!!! MARTHA!!!!!! Clark actually TALKED to her!!
The actress (blanking out on her name) from The Watchmen (Dr. Manhattan's first girlfriend) on Smallville! Linda Lake's comment about rescuing kittens from a tree! Chloe contacting Lois to protect Clark and probably dying at the hands of Doomsday...

Clark and Chloe: the first scene in the barn, good. The later, with Chloe yet again expounding on the cape and the costume. Argh! Clark is immune to her anvils.

Kelly, I think Linda didn't go puddly because Clark might have just fried her atoms into vapor; he probably wouldn't have the first time in front of all those people because they wouldn't know that she can eventually reconstitute herself, in the barn, with only Lois, much less people to misunderstand that he didn't actually fry Ms. Lake, just caused a major setback in her return.

The deja vu Lois and Clark airport sequence had me remembering Abyss with Chloe talking about Clark driving like a Grandma in the slow lane and now here's Lois doing the same thing. Heh heh. Re: the ending, I actually thought it was kind of very typical Lois and Clark; he misses events and is always late or has some lame excuse.

I've enjoyed reading the opinions so far (stenochick and Annie's in particular) and can't wait for more and better reviews (Jade, LaDonna, and Cedric also in particular). Clark was a little off kilter but I'm personally giving Infamous a 10 because of the one, the only Lois Lane. :D Her smiles, her laughs, her giggles, her gung ho attitude, the "whine" with Linda, the repartee with Clark, her compassion and understanding, basically just about every word out of her mouth, and her fearless charge at yet another psycho female; she was soo Lois, literally and figuratively a knock out, looking, giving and receiving them. :lol:

vdodirector

03-13-2009, 01:59 PM

F..l

03-13-2009, 02:05 PM

woow ! bizarre episode :) .... I gave 9 ;) .....
I like the story about Davis but the ending was bad :( .... c.k. is fool! clois rocks!!

lana 9

03-13-2009, 02:05 PM

i give it a 8 i love lois in it and chole and davis scene was cool the ending was sad

disciples of zod

03-13-2009, 02:17 PM

10!!! grounds for possibly the best episode ever! welcome back, Smallville! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

~H

mimi1123

03-13-2009, 02:21 PM

Xanderman

03-13-2009, 02:45 PM

Eh, 5. I wasn't too thrilled with this episode. I miss when the writers took time to make things develop. In one episode, Clark decides that he should share his secret (something he avoided for 7 seasons). And when he does the world loves him for what seemed like 24 hours until someone with no proof says something to make the whole world hate him. People aren't that stupid. Now if Lex were masterminding the operation, he may have set him up to make it look like "the Alien is bad", and it would've taken time. Not just one word from a tabloid reporter.Yup, lots of weak writing and ideas this ep. Felt just like a kids cartoon. Overly fast paced/jumpy, cliche-filled and dopey. But still fun either way as I'm sure you'll agree.

Looks like I'm in the minority as usual, giving this one a 5. Call it "reset" if you want, but in my book it's discontinuity. Was Lana's name even mentioned? I can't remember if Chloe actually said it, but they could have devoted more than a nanosecond to the devastation he experienced in January. Understand, I'm not a Clana fan, and I'm glad she's gone (and I didn't really like the way it happened), but I thought it was wrong how Clark was borderline flirting with Lois when he dropped the Alien bomb on her. I mean, he was showing off.

And I couldn't stand how quickly Clark decided to out himself. I don't know if it was bad writing or bad acting, but all I could think of was Keanu Reeves and his inability to express emotion. When Clark told Choe his plan to give Lois an exclusive story in the barn, Clark's acting was so bad I thought somebody was going to wake up from a dream.

And the goofy crowd scenes with the girl on the fire escape and the boy in the red/blue outfit. And the angry widow on tv. And then the Feds were busting in within like 5 minutes. The show just didn't have good pacing, and it wasn't believable (even within the constructs of a comic book story).

I didn't like the coffee scene either. I didn't think it was sad, but I did think it was creepy how Clark texted her and then waited around to see what she would do. That is abuse of his power if you ask me.

And the ring -- why did Clark not use this to turn back time on Lana's poisonous krypton suit? Not that I wanted that to happen, but Lex's bomb was certainly as big a threat as the public knowing Clark's secret, wasn't it?

I did like the over-the-top Tori Spelling part, and the Doomsday stuff was good. In some ways he is a better actor than Clark. But Clark has done much better in past episodes. His character was just so flat in this one.

Overall, I thought it was a disappointing episode, but, as Omar said on twop a few weeks ago, Smallville is still usually better than anything else on tv! If I were rating it across all of tv, I would give it an 8 instead of a 5.Lol great review and spot on on so much. Except I would disagree on rating it across all of tv as still better than anything else, not this year, as this is the best tv year I can remember. I've never watched as many great shows as I'm watching now in the same season. And I didn't even think about that, but yes, why DIDN'T he use the ring to save Clana? Lol just one plothole out of a bazillion in this episode (and season, and series). Even though plotholes and inconsistencies and outright nonsense (and repetitiveness) are things I've come to expect from this show, I don't think I've seen a single episode showcase it all as much as this one has. But through it all, the show is always fun. And I think the cast has a lot to do with that.

mangafreakazoid

03-13-2009, 02:54 PM

I think this episode had good and bad points. It might have been just me, but it felt like the dialogue was strained and cheesy at points. I loved the most of plot, except the Lois interaction. 1. Everything that was good about coming out came through Lois: the initial reception, supporters, etc. So WHY shouldn't he tell her, just not write a story about it? 2. He should have had coffee with her.

But I give it a 7, because most of the episode was good.

ticker

03-13-2009, 02:56 PM

sooo... I gave it a 9 out of 10. The song & scene at the end helped it, as without it it would have been only a 8.

Why just 8 - well the plot had big chuncks missing; the offscreenville might have gotten a perfect 10. Not insisting more on Clark telling Lois about him was a big minus for Clois fans.

However the acting was top notch for Tom, Erica, Sam and Alison! Really good work!

All in all, this episode was a step in the right direction! It fixed a bit of the whole Lana mess (which I want to forget forever!)

Since we'll have a season 9 I hope they'll continue (PS3) to work on the Clark-Lois chemestry so we may finally get a kiss (already).

And to close the circle, I'll go back to the first ideea of my post: The final scene was really well directed/acted/thought and written! Big congratulations for it! It has all a very high quality (unlike other regular shows) and most of all: the same (very very) high quality of the episode as in 8.10 (Bride).

By very high quality I mean it in every sense: layout, cinematics and so on... It's one of those extremely few scenes that make me want to actually be there, NOT to make the same mistake(s) as Clark did.

devilicus rebel

03-13-2009, 03:09 PM

I have watched it through a few times now and I think my original assessment of a 9 was about right.

Darkcook

03-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Best S8 episode so far, after Legion. :) Smallville is back in true form. Thank you Caroline Dries (her best episode ever), and Glen Winter. Thank you, Tom Welling and Erica Durance, for your chemistry. Thank you Kristin Kreuk if you never ever ever ever ever show up again.

batfinx

03-13-2009, 03:38 PM

I gave the episode an 8 simply because I think it had too much story to tell in too little time. It should've been a two-parter. Otherwise it was good because the show was back on track after a bad arc and a long hiatus. It's clear a lot of viewers didn't come back after that lethal combination, but for those of us who did, we got a good episode.

It may have felt like the Lois/RBB interview got shortchanged, but since we all knew it would be reset, a more in depth interview can be done if Lois gets the exclusive with the RBB. Perhaps even giving him a new name :D The barn scene with Clark and Lois was great too. Erica just gets better and better. She also seems to have an innate understanding of who Lois Lane is supposed to be, just well done. Chloe was also good. I said in another post that Chloe, unlike Lana, doesn't need a super suit because her heroism is in her heart. When it comes to Clark her loyalty is steadfast and unshakable.

I'm glad Martha was remembered in the episode and I wish they could bring her back for next season, which I hope will be the last. It needs to finish and know it's finishing so it can have the proper ending. Davis/Doomsday is a very interesting "doomed" character. He fights his fate with every breath he takes, but it's clearly consuming him and he'll never win this battle.

The part where Clark puts on the ring could've been handled better. Like Lois gets the message and runs towards Clark and shouts for him to wait just as he vanishes. That way it wouldn't seem like Clark was deliberately cutting her off.

I didn't have a problem with the last scene as others did, because the composition of the scene made it clear an internal struggle was taking place in Clark. He didn't text message Lois from the barn wearing flannel, he was right across the street and nicely dressed, like he'd gotten to that point with the determination to have coffee with her. It's just coffee, right? But when he saw her sitting there, he couldn't kid himself anymore, he knew it was more than coffee that brought him to that cafe ;)

His feelings for Lois have deepened and he thinks avoiding one-on-one moments will keep her safe and keep his heart safe, but he'll find out it doesn't work that way and could lead to Lois turning to someone else, like the RBB :lol:

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Originally Posted by gtw
Hi
Happy to hear that most of you enjoyed Infamous. I am currently prepping my last episode of the season, Injustice. Tom is directing and is doing a great job of course. Just wanted to thank you all for your incredibly faithful support. Though I don't often have time to read the forums regularly, when I do check them out, I am continually amazed at your loyalty, and the intelligence of your reviews. I am about to have a couple of months off, but I am very excited next year, I hope you are too. This is a great place to come to work every day !
Once again, you guys rock.
All the best
Glen Winter

Hi, Glen, if you're really Glen. I admit the Internet makes me skeptical, but if you're really Glen, I really liked your directing in this and Committed and for the same reason. You make Metropolis seem like a living city. Take for example the scene where Clark hoists the desk Lois is standing on, they're alone in the room, but the city lives on outside. There were the shadows of people walking past the window. It was also a reminder that they were in the basement, or else you wouldn't have seen the shadows of passersby.

You also use some unique angles to give a fresh look at old sets that don't seem like they could have a new angle, like the scene in the barn when Chloe arrives. It starts with an overhead view and then the camera pans back down to be level with Clark just as Chloe gets to the top of the stairs. I like the use of continuous shots instead of the piecemeal approach. It has fluidity. I also like your reaction shots, like Oliver in the jewelry store in Committed was hilarious, or the reverse angle on Lois's stunned expression in Infamous as she gets lifted up and the reaction is shot through the shelf.

I'm gushing too much, but if you're really Glen Winter, I'm a fan.

twirl0408

03-13-2009, 03:38 PM

what's BDA?

skully

03-13-2009, 03:41 PM

Wahey, what a great episode. But it does expose the flaw of having to squeeze so much in to 40 minutes. It seemed very rushed at times and I'm with others saying it would've been great to see some of the offscreenville stuff.

But within that 40 minute restriction I thought it was brilliant. Excellent performances from TW and ED, and the Doomsday arc is really starting to speed up.

The next 7 episodes should be awesome sprinkled with brilliance. :D

9 out of 10.

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what's BDA?Big Dumb Alien. :) And welcome aboard, twirl.

twirl0408

03-13-2009, 03:42 PM

Wahey, what a great episode. But it does expose the flaw of having to squeeze so much in to 40 minutes. It seemed very rushed at times and I'm with others saying it would've been great to see some of the offscreenville stuff.

But within that 40 minute restriction I thought it was brilliant. Excellent performances from TW and ED, and the Doomsday arc is really starting to speed up.

The next 7 episodes should be awesome sprinkled with brilliance. :D

9 out of 10.

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Big Dumb Alien. :) And welcome aboard, twirl.

ah. thanks

cloisthelegendbegins

03-13-2009, 03:51 PM

skully

03-13-2009, 03:57 PM

geminis

03-13-2009, 04:22 PM

Looks like I'm in the minority as usual, giving this one a 5. Call it "reset" if you want, but in my book it's discontinuity. Was Lana's name even mentioned? I can't remember if Chloe actually said it, but they could have devoted more than a nanosecond to the devastation he experienced in January. Understand, I'm not a Clana fan, and I'm glad she's gone (and I didn't really like the way it happened), but I thought it was wrong how Clark was borderline flirting with Lois when he dropped the Alien bomb on her. I mean, he was showing off.

And I couldn't stand how quickly Clark decided to out himself. I don't know if it was bad writing or bad acting, but all I could think of was Keanu Reeves and his inability to express emotion. When Clark told Choe his plan to give Lois an exclusive story in the barn, Clark's acting was so bad I thought somebody was going to wake up from a dream.

And the goofy crowd scenes with the girl on the fire escape and the boy in the red/blue outfit. And the angry widow on tv. And then the Feds were busting in within like 5 minutes. The show just didn't have good pacing, and it wasn't believable (even within the constructs of a comic book story).

I didn't like the coffee scene either. I didn't think it was sad, but I did think it was creepy how Clark texted her and then waited around to see what she would do. That is abuse of his power if you ask me.

And the ring -- why did Clark not use this to turn back time on Lana's poisonous krypton suit? Not that I wanted that to happen, but Lex's bomb was certainly as big a threat as the public knowing Clark's secret, wasn't it?

I did like the over-the-top Tori Spelling part, and the Doomsday stuff was good. In some ways he is a better actor than Clark. But Clark has done much better in past episodes. His character was just so flat in this one.

Overall, I thought it was a disappointing episode, but, as Omar said on twop a few weeks ago, Smallville is still usually better than anything else on tv! If I were rating it across all of tv, I would give it an 8 instead of a 5.

Considering Martha, Lois, Jimmy, and Shelby have also been ignored on a regular basis, I'm not that surprised, but I believe Lana might have been somewhat alluded to by Lois and Chloe, just that her name was not actually said. They are both completely done with the Clana rollercoaster and since Clark is working/heroing and not wallowing in a Lana-less funk, then all the better.

I wouldn't say Clark was flirting per se, but showing off in front of Lois is something that Clark seems to do, just like his unconscious jealousy of the men that are attracted to her. I didn't have a problem with it, since Lois didn't know his secret and usually tends to not expect him to be capable of such amazing feats. Since Pete, Chloe, and Lana found out his secret first without him telling them, Clark hasn't had the opportunity to strut his stuff, and he already has two experiences that showed him that Lois has accepted and reacted positively to his bonus features. He's always been unassuming, but something in Lois makes him want to boast and his true nature.

Clark has been kind of off kilter; imho if he were to go back to spending more time with Lois he'd get back on the right track. His decision did seem rather sudden but even though he is not human he is still fallible. People seem to forget that. The crowd scenes and tv interview for me were not a problem; in the first instance he was right there live and in person and had just recently been outed as a superhero. Goofy yes. The second was a deliberate broadcast set up for a negative outlook. The segment with the Feds was after things had started to escalate, maybe it was a little bit hurried but you can only do so much in roughly 40 minutes of showtime.

With the Legion ring, well, the bomb was stopped, Lex, a danger to Clark, is seemingly dead, and Clark seems to have accepted his life without Lana; I could do without superLana but I also get a sma/large bit of enjoyment out of the fact that Clark can't go near her.

Currently, I'm inclined to agree with Omar that Smallville is usually better than anything else on tv (except Supernatural and the Big Bang Theory-all three are great).

KalEltheBoyscout

03-13-2009, 04:44 PM

That's what I'm talking about!!! This episode was incredible! Finally, Smallville is back and I loved every second of it. As always Tom was absolutely incredible in every scene he was in. Allison was lovely. ERICA!!! Words couldn't describe the joy I felt seeing her back on screen at the beginning of the episode. Suddenly I said, "Lana who?" Sam Witwer was beyond awesome last night. He scared the crap out of me. And if the trailer is any indication, "Turbulence" will be off the hook. But if he doesn't finally fly, PS3 will be hearing from my "lawyers" AKA these guys:

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http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/7/7a/Combat0521.jpg

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geminis

03-13-2009, 04:44 PM

I gave the episode an 8 simply because I think it had too much story to tell in too little time. It should've been a two-parter. Otherwise it was good because the show was back on track after a bad arc and a long hiatus. It's clear a lot of viewers didn't come back after that lethal combination, but for those of us who did, we got a good episode.

It may have felt like the Lois/RBB interview got shortchanged, but since we all knew it would be reset, a more in depth interview can be done if Lois gets the exclusive with the RBB. Perhaps even giving him a new name :D The barn scene with Clark and Lois was great too. Erica just gets better and better. She also seems to have an innate understanding of who Lois Lane is supposed to be, just well done. Chloe was also good. I said in another post that Chloe, unlike Lana, doesn't need a super suit because her heroism is in her heart. When it comes to Clark her loyalty is steadfast and unshakable.

I'm glad Martha was remembered in the episode and I wish they could bring her back for next season, which I hope will be the last. It needs to finish and know it's finishing so it can have the proper ending. Davis/Doomsday is a very interesting "doomed" character. He fights his fate with every breath he takes, but it's clearly consuming him and he'll never win this battle.

The part where Clark puts on the ring could've been handled better. Like Lois gets the message and runs towards Clark and shouts for him to wait just as he vanishes. That way it wouldn't seem like Clark was deliberately cutting her off.

I didn't have a problem with the last scene as others did, because the composition of the scene made it clear an internal struggle was taking place in Clark. He didn't text message Lois from the barn wearing flannel, he was right across the street and nicely dressed, like he'd gotten to that point with the determination to have coffee with her. It's just coffee, right? But when he saw her sitting there, he couldn't kid himself anymore, he knew it was more than coffee that brought him to that cafe ;)

His feelings for Lois have deepened and he thinks avoiding one-on-one moments will keep her safe and keep his heart safe, but he'll find out it doesn't work that way and could lead to Lois turning to someone else, like the RBB :lol:

Quote:

Hi, Glen, if you're really Glen. I admit the Internet makes me skeptical, but if you're really Glen, I really liked your directing in this and Committed and for the same reason. You make Metropolis seem like a living city. Take for example the scene where Clark hoists the desk Lois is standing on, they're alone in the room, but the city lives on outside. There were the shadows of people walking past the window. It was also a reminder that they were in the basement, or else you wouldn't have seen the shadows of passersby.

You also use some unique angles to give a fresh look at old sets that don't seem like they could have a new angle, like the scene in the barn when Chloe arrives. It starts with an overhead view and then the camera pans back down to be level with Clark just as Chloe gets to the top of the stairs. I like the use of continuous shots instead of the piecemeal approach. It has fluidity. I also like your reaction shots, like Oliver in the jewelry store in Committed was hilarious, or the reverse angle on Lois's stunned expression in Infamous as she gets lifted up and the reaction is shot through the shelf.

I'm gushing too much, but if you're really Glen Winter, I'm a fan.

Those are some really really great observations. The bolded part made me smile like a mad fool and hope for it too. I'm not completely sure about a two-parter, but as long as it wasn't a cliff hanger I would have been okay with it. Your ideas about the Legion ring and the end scene were fantastic. I didn't have that many problems with the ring, but this would have been a definite improvement. And your description of the cafe scene is exactly what I felt; Clark wasn't standing her up, he was there seeing her and realizing that Lois IS more important to him than either of them want to admit.

I'm not very good at all about analyses, but when pointed out I agree about the direction. I however DO believe that it IS Glen Winter and wholeheartedly appreciate the fact that he takes the time to read and comment, even if briefly. For that as well as his skilled direction, I am a fan too.

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That's what I'm talking about!!! This episode was incredible! Finally, Smallville is back and I loved every second of it. As always Tom was absolutely incredible in every scene he was in. Allison was lovely. ERICA!!! Words couldn't describe the joy I felt seeing her back on screen at the beginning of the episode. Suddenly I said, "Lana who?" Sam Witwer was beyond awesome last night. He scared the crap out of me. And if the trailer is any indication, "Turbulence" will be off the hook. But if he doesn't finally fly, PS3 will be hearing from my "lawyers" AKA these guys:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/2/2b/FatalFiveMember.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/7/7a/Combat0521.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/8/87/Normal_810Smallville0707.jpg

:lol: My lawyers are clones of yours. Clark had better be breaking one SV rule by season end or I'll be wanting to set up a tag team.

smallvilleluvr07

03-13-2009, 05:45 PM

I gave it a 10. Best ep I've seen in a while (now that we're done with Lana..wasn't excited about the way they sent her off..but whatever). We saw what life could have been like had Clark went public with his secret..and how the world turned against him in a matter of minutes.

TW, ED, AM, and SW all did fantastic! I especially LOVED ED's performance. The scene where Clark told Lois his secret, the scene right before Clark put on the ring, and the scene where Lois was 'forgotten' to be picked up by Clark. Liked all of Chloe's references to the cape and such. The episode was beautifully shot, and the end where Clark goes to meet Lois at the coffee shop broke my heart. I wish he would tell her already! If the show does get a ninth season, hopefully we'll get to see him finally open up to her.

A great episode overall! 10/10.

Jaderoyale

03-13-2009, 05:49 PM

Ah. Its that time of the week again. Its Thursday (I'm actually writing this main part before watch the episode. I call that dedication). And i'm rather excited you could say. Why i hear you ask? Well. Not only is Lois coming back tonight *screams like a crazy fangirl* - but we seem to be getting an episode that we've all anticipated for A LONG time. Clark revealing his secret to Lois AND the rest of the world. *claps* Not bad Clark. Not bad. Well actually, its the least you can do for us after the complete and utter travesty of Power and Requiem. *shudders* I'm still a little testy about that. I've managed to block them from my mind. I refuse to dwell on them.

Anyhoo, before this episode i honestly have NO IDEA what to expect. Yes, i admit, i've read the spoilers, seen a few of the pictures and the trailer. But i haven't seen the directors cut, or any of the clips that have been released. I have been strong. I've tried not to build my expectations up for this episode, because as we know, high expectations can mean the happiness crumbling down - step up Bride - and i don't want that. It could be argued that i'm more excited that Lois is back than anything else. And yes, that may be the case. I've missed that woman. I really have. I've missed her witty one liners and her banter with Clark. I also miss Jimmy as well (i never thought i'd say that about SV's Jimmy). But he'll be back next week, so i am calm about that.

But enough of me, rambling on about the joys of life. Let us watch the episode for the fourth time (personal record) and review it. I'm guessing i won't need any vodka today, there should be no pain. So i have a cup of tea, its soothing and i do not wish to be tense.

Previously on Smallville...., Jimmy got excited with the RBB. There was a crazy journalist called Linda Lake who could turn herself into water and spy on people. She found out Clark's secret and attempted to publish the story. Instead she had a catfight with Chloe (sorely disappointing fight) and got hit by Lana's car (of course) and exploded into water. Davis found out hes a killer and got all defensive (touche). An almost kiss between Clark and Lois before Lana turned up *clutches heart* Lois!! Sorry. And Oliver prooved he's not an idiot by revealing he knew Lois felt for Clark.

And here we go. I hear rain. Never a good sign in my book. LOIS!!! Oh there she is. Oh Lois. And theres Clark. Oh hes wet. Ahhaa. Her suitcase has broke. Thats just typical. You want to shout at a guy, and your suitcase breaks. Oh he's picked up her case. Take it off him. And she has. Oh. Lois. GIVE HIM HELL. Bless him, he's trying so hard to apologise. But its too late apparently - cue OneRepublic playing in your head, do not think of Hero - Oh look water. I sense Linda. There she is. Gosh, i don't like Tori Spelling. And she wants to be the voice of the RBB. Nah. No chance. Oh the ambitiousness of the evil reporter. And shes gone. Back to the sewers. Bye bye.

Opening credits. Never tiresome, literally have to hold myself down from throwing my hands in the air and swaying.

To the Kent farm. Chloe. Oh a mention of Jimmy. At last, i almost forgot you were married. I sense a brooding look on Clarks face. And there it is. Hang on, has Tom lost weight? Whoa. Clark. That was fast decision. Hang on... Chloe, how long has it been since Lana left? I must know. Oh Clark you're talking such sense. Chloe let him do it. LET HIM. Oh fair enough about the paparazzi. This Clark seems good... good lad. I have missed this Clark, where did he go? *makes whip noise* Aw. I liked this scene. Mainly because of Clark though. Though Chloe has a point, but Clark will learn that.

And heres out episodely visit to Met General. Oh look Davis. He looks a bit dodgy. He's stealing. Theft. Oh, trying to keep the monster at bay? Oh Davis, drugs won't help you. You should know that by now.

Daily Planet. Hurrah. Don't you just wish you could go there, and just stand? Observe. Like Clark is. Looking at Lois. LOIS. I'm sorry. I just can't believe shes actually there. Is that... is that the cold shoulder?

Clark; I'm the red blue blur
Lois; *laughs*

Oh that was great. Clark looks mortified. I can still hear her laughing as she walks off. Hehe. Oh continuity. Mention of Season 6, Sneeze. Good, very good.

Clark; Let me help you with that. *lifts desk*

Oh thats a good shot. The lighting. Look at the way the sun is beaming down through the window onto Clark. LOOK AT HIS POSTURE. Maybe thats just me. And Lois has freaked out, dropped, into Clarks arms. On the hold. THE HOLD. Though Lois isn't even touching him. Oh its like a callback to Apocalypse. I am loving this continuity right now.
Locked door. Oh hello. Oh the way she stepped back. Aw. Theres the mention of Lana. I'm fine with it. I am sorry, but apart from that little hesitation, she has taken this really well. Hahahaha! The seeing through solid objects. Thats right Lois, cover the chest.

Lois; We practically work on top of each other.

Well my mind just went straight to the gutter.
Talk about where you from? Gosh Clark. You're really going for it. Oh he looks so shy, out on the street. In the public eye. Nice old man. Haha. Oh look at that small boy! I want your autograph too! Oh calm down Clark, girls scream at you all the time. What was with that girl. Haha. Crazy fangirl. Oh here comes Linda. LOVED that scene. LOVED the one before.

Back to Met General. Ah, mention of Jimmy. Come on Chloe, fight for his place. Oh look Davis. Oh, Davis was talking about the FOS whereas Chloe is on about the kiss. Oh gosh, Davis obviously loves you Chloe, walk away, jus walk away. Oh the shock. Oh dear. Pieces together Davis.

Ah here comes Linda. CLARK SAVE US. Chloe looks so overwhelmed. Clark's talking to Martha. Well thats a first. Lois given a promotion? And here comes Linda, ready to ruin Clarks new found celebrity status. Oh no Lex was not a hero. OH MY GOD. Sorry. That was harsh. Low blow. When it rains it pours. Well said Chloe.
Clark theres no point talking to the authorities. They won't believe you. Oh tests. As we know Clark, doesn't like tests. Oh that was GOOD! The way he just stood there and took the shots. The look on his face was just screaming SUPERMAN.

Is that the same set as the Legion flight? Lol. Clark it won't die down. Good Chloe. Ah, the Legion ring. Well we all guessed that was going to be his means to turn back time.

Daily Planet. Oh yeah Lois. YOU GO GIRL. Is her hair darker!? If your boyfriend?! Fangasm. Well Lois Tess isn't there. Hey you can't just shoot people. OH! Clark. Good boy. Two saves, one episode. Yes Lois, give him the talk. Oh she's technically telling him that she fell for him before she knew who he really was. This time? Ah. Oh dear lord. I'm getting emotional. OH CLARK. Yes.

Clark; No Lois, its because you ARE special.

YES SHE IS SPECIAL. Kiss her. Now would be perfect. Okay, maybe not. Don't ruin the moment. And here comes Linda. She looks mad.

Regular trip to Isis. Chloe shredding files. Here comes Davis. Oh he can't control the beast. Kind of feel for him don't you. Chloe looks freaked out. Ah. Mention of the FOS. Oh dear lord. And Davis has told her. OH GOSH. Red eyes. Oh my gosh. Thats rather scary. He's actually, transforming in front of us. Run Chloe run! OH SWEET LORD! No don't cut now!

Back to the barn. Crazy Linda. Holding the ring. Wake up Lois. There she goes. Now see, this is why i LOVE Lois. She didn't even think twice. She just launched herself. Look at her go!! Ah. And that has to be the first time, Lois has ever moved Kryptonite away from Clark. *tear* Oh my god Clark no!! Why would you have to put it on then?!! I guess it makes sense though. *sigh*

Back in the barn, two days earlier. Clark has an epiphany and decides to run off to Linda. Oh Clark, smart. Smart move. WHOA. SUPERMAN POSE. He didn't even think twice then. Electric. Its okay. Shes not dead.

Oh back to the airport. Clark is on time. Holding the suitcases. Oh. Little mention of the kiss there. Yes Clark. Complicated. Oh dear lord. Lois why, why have you asked him for a coffee? Look at Clarks face. Torn.
And here comes the token episode talk with Chloe. Don't mention a cape. Its too soon. No mention of cape right now. Why can Lois never know hmmmm? WHAT? Why have you destroyed the Legion ring? Okay, fair enough. Price. Nice homage to Reckoning.
Back to Met Gen. Shady Davis. Oh gosh is this whats changed then? Linda. In chains. Oh she knows Davis, she KNOWS. He looks like hes going to explode. Why does everyone want him released? Oh dear heavens. Its not a good thing. Gosh i love how his voice distorts as 'the beast' is on its way out. Oh Linda you fool. Don't mention Chloe. And here it comes. OH MY GOD. DAVIS! Okay maybe not Davis... but still. MURDERER. Well, Lindas gone. Oh no. He's given up with the pills. Acceptance? I think so.

Coffee shop. Theres Lois. I don't have a good feeling about this at all. Oh the music. Oh gosh hes there in the background. LOOKING HANDSOME! That face has pain written all over it. Oh gosh. This is painful to watch. Oh gosh. Lois. Oh come here. I'll hug you. Clark i'll hug you as well. Man.

Okay. Its over.
First of all, let me just repeat how HAPPY i am that Lois is back. You got that? So very happy. ECSTATIC even. Seeing her get out of that car, i felt like the part of me that was missing while watching the past 4 episode of SV was restored. Don't you EVER leave me for that long again Lois. I mean it.

There is no denying, that Tom and Erica, have absolutely PHENOMINAL chemistry. Every scene they had together, they completely nailed it. The first scene, was typical Lois angry and Clark, Clark bumblingg his excuses while Lois has no time to listen to him. It was absolutely perfect. The whole reveal. Erica got Lois' reactions perfect and the way she simply, accepted the truth - says alot about Lois IMO - before getting straight down to the article, was fabulous. She proved that she could handle it. Yes, she seemed a little taken back when Clark mentioned Chloe and Lana already knew, fair enough. But i have to wonder why Clark didn't tell her, that shes the only person he's told off his own accord. Chloe was shown by Alicia, Lana tricked Chloe so she could find out. Whereas Clark told Lois.

The scene before Clark turned back time. Right. I've read a few posts across the board and i have to state how ANGRY i am that people are implying that Lois was "whiny" and "crying". Right, put yourself in this perspective. The man/woman you have feelings for, tells you something, their secret, that answers all the questions that you had hanging in your mind about them, you feel like you know them better, you understand. How would you feel, if they were turning back time to before they told you and weren't going to tell you again? You would know that everything would be going back to the way it was. The worrying, the fear. Thats how Lois felt. And i commend her for that Yes she was upset, but she said simply; "I understand,". I also commend Clark for claiming that he wasn't going to tell her again, because she was special. Because she is, and Clark knows that.

Moving away from Clark and Lois for a second. Towards Davis and Chloe. Okay, they have chemistry. I can't deny it. But the whole, Doomsday and Chloe thing freaks me out. Doomsday is clearly attracted to Chloe as well as Davis (Davis feelings must linger) and that freaks me out. BUT i have a slight piece of mind, knowing that Chloe didn't seem to want to be near Davis when he revealed he was sent to kill Clark. Though that can all change. I must say, thank heavens Chloe mentioned Jimmy, good drop in, considering he's back next week.

I'm not happy that they had Davis kill Linda. I would have prefered she got hit by a car again, whilst having been hit with electricity. Death. However, i understand the need for it, because after, Davis throwing his meds away prooves he's giving up trying to contain the beast. I guess a little bit of cold blooded murder was all he needed to make it happen.

Linda Lake. Yes, i don't like Tor Spelling. But i can't deny that having her back was good. Good way for the continuity, because it was clear in Hydro that she wasn't dead. Turning herself into water as she got hit. I enjoyed her ruthlessness, and she showed Clark ultimately, that yes, on one side the world will accept him, but it only takes one person to completely change that.

The directing. Oh. GLEN WINTER. You have been fantastic this season. You gave us Legion and Committed, and now this wonder. I commend you. And recommend you direct everything from now on.

Right. The final scene. I've seen/read alot of angst about this. And i am sticking up for Clark in this one. First of all, the Lois at the airport at the beginning. Thats the Lois i wanted to come back. Sarcastic and angry. Not when she invited him for coffee. THOUGH saying that, i saw this invite as a last chance for him. Though, when Clark was watching her. You could see the visible pain on his face. He really wanted to go. But yes, it may be too soon after Lana, yes it could be said its just a friendly coffee. But its not. Both Clark and Lois know that, that wouldn't be just coffee. Even with Lois casually mentioning it. There was no way it was just coffee. I didn't like that Lois lied, and said she couldn't make it. But then again, she didn't know Clark could see her. Though hopefully, Clark will now release that she likes him. Yes its obvious to us, but we know Clarks sometimes slower than the average man, even if he is ten times faster. Plus now, hopefully with Lois, thats it. No more chances for him. Shes going to bury herself in her work and ignore him, where he's going to have to chase her. And i cannot wait.

I did like this episode. It lived up to my expectations. I wasn't expecting it to knock me over with joy, but i was expecting it to be a return to form. Which it was. Though saying that, something was missing for me. Or someone. And that was Jimmy. Yes Jimmy. Just imagine if he'd been there when Clark revealed the truth about himself. Remember Identity? This would have been so much better.

Overall rating; 9/10.
Still not beaten my top of the season, Identity.

Next week, Clark and Tess go on a plane and Jimmy slaps Davis.

lex fan 10

03-13-2009, 05:49 PM

side of clark ive never seen. and the lois fight was awsome :)

doubtless

03-13-2009, 06:09 PM

Gave it a 9, awsome episode. Loved the Clois scene at the barn, and Lois' speech, *tearing up*Awww Lois is back, It's good to be back is it?

halvor311

03-13-2009, 06:29 PM

I didn't understand why there aren't 2 Clark Kent's the second time around... I though he traveled back in time. Back in time there already was a Clark Kent:confused:
What happened to that one???

It's because when Clark goes back in time, it's just him. He's the only story going on, so there can't be two of him at a time. Plus, the fact that he went back already changed the timeline. I think. haha, I came in intending to explain, but I don't have a perfect one. Hope that makes some sense.

THEcrownsMINE

03-13-2009, 06:30 PM

This episode was 10000000x better than the last two episodes (Power and Requiem) but I guess that's not really saying much. :)

It was a lot more interesting than I expected, but I was so mad at Clark at the end for ditching Lois! I guess he's not ready to "move on." YET.

actaeon

03-13-2009, 06:32 PM

I give it a solid 8. One of the most entertaining episodes this season, enough to (almost) cancel out the plot holes and overall rushed feeling.

Clark makes his big announcement-- and Lois busts out laughing! I loved it! These two characters have a great relationship. And ED's acting was, once again, superb. I liked that Lois wanted him to stick around and fight for his good name... it was so... Lois. They had a touching & genuine scene in the barn... Lois lowered her guard and was actually humble. Interesting. I'm not sure why Clark wouldn't have coffee with her... I guess there can't be a relationship without a little angst.

Great B-plot with Davis. He's really dancing on the edge. SW and AM really work together.

I thought it was kind of dumb that Davis was popping those pills. Hello, he doesn't have a psych disorder, he knows he's a being from another planet! The sudden shift from "everyone loves Clark" to "everyone-- kill Clark!" was kind of abrupt. All on a gossip columnist's say-so? And cops sure don't get much respect on this show-- not only are they sinister, going after Clark and everyone he knows, they're also so dumb they try to shoot him. Shoot the invulnerable alien from Krypton. Whatever, guys.

There was so much going on, it seemed best to sort of just go with the flow and not ask too many questions. Okay by me.

ColdPlay3r

03-13-2009, 06:37 PM

nice review jade!!!!!:D

marcella

03-13-2009, 07:09 PM

I loved it!!!

I rate it 10

bennyjr123

03-13-2009, 07:11 PM

AMAZING!!!!

And for all the people who don't get Clark not having coffee, I just assumed it was because he had to save the world and such. haha, cause that's what clark kent does.