Clois Scenes in "Bride" Discussion (including almost kiss)

[eas]

You know the drill... don't vote until after the episode airs. You can comment, though.

[BULLITT]

Lol A day and a half before the show.

[individuall]

Sana I love the choices..The 'Tolerated it' is my favorite :lol:

[Clarky123]

The possibly biggest and most important clois episode sofar! lets hope we dont get disapointed!

[LoveHurts38]

I can't wait better be good.

[OneShotClois]

I can't wait for this episode. Go Clois :)

[amalie]

:rotfl: The options this week are brilliant

[Blugolds22]

This episode for Clois could either be really good or really bad. Let's hope for the really good.

[Carolina87]

The possibly biggest and most important clois episode sofar! lets hope we dont get disapointed!

IKR!!! my expectations are so high for this episode :D:D:D
Clois getting closer, kissing, admitting that they feel something for each other, checking each other out!!!! Im not sure i'll be able to function properly tomorrow waiting for Bride to come on.

[geminis]

:rotfl: The options this week are brilliant

Ah yes, the brilliance of Sana!

Going to be loving and hating the Clois scenes at the same time because they'll be so good I want more but then we have to wait forever for them to resume the battle/flirtation.

[eas]

Thanks, guys!!

I definitely agree, Ann. It's going to be bittersweet to see the Clois here. I don't know if I'll survive the wait after this episode is over.

My expectations for Clois are high... I hope this lives up to them.

[malcrew]

Holy Smokes! Did you guys check out the scenes of bride on you tube! Clois teasers look great! Wow and Doomsday, Can't wait to see the battle between DD and Clark!

[6-Super-Man -5]

Can't wait for this episode!

[davidbrenton]

I'm expecting a "Loved it & Hated it" type of reaction because of the wrench that is inevitably coming.

[doodie8808]

I AM LOOKING FOWARD TO THIS EPISODE ONLY FOR CHIMMY, CLOIS AND DOOMSDAY! Lana I could care less if she dropped dead( I HOPE SO) !lol

[jasmin28]

I AM LOOKING FOWARD TO THIS EPISODE ONLY FOR CHIMMY, CLOIS AND DOOMSDAY! Lana I could care less if she dropped dead( I HOPE SO) !lol


hahaha i fully agree with you :)

[FlashInSV]

I have to say, my expectations are sky-high at the moment (right up there, with Castiel from Supernatural! LOL) - that's an inside joke.

Anyway, like I said, I wish I'm not disappointed because I have created lovely little scenes in my head and I can't wait!! to see Clois tonight!

[geminis]

I have to say, my expectations are sky-high at the moment (right up there, with Castiel from Supernatural! LOL) - that's an inside joke.

Anyway, like I said, I wish I'm not disappointed because I have created lovely little scenes in my head and I can't wait!! to see Clois tonight!

Umm, yummy, Castiel.

I too have my own scenario maker in my head but can't wait either to see how Lois and Clark handle each other tonight.

[eas]

I'm expecting a "Loved it & Hated it" type of reaction because of the wrench that is inevitably coming.

Yeah... I'm sensing this is going to be VERY bittersweet... I have a feeling that Lois is about to get her heart crushed... I don't know if I can handle it. :(

[jobookjunkie]

^^ I think mine might be just as crushed as Lois's, I can't even watch the end of that second clip from Bride where Lois realises Clark is reading Jimmy's vows, not speaking to her.

[loislanechick]

^^ I think mine might be just as crushed as Lois's, I can't even watch the end of that second clip from Bride where Lois realises Clark is reading Jimmy's vows, not speaking to her.

I know how you feel..the look on her face and then clark wondering why lois looked him like that..I want a clois kiss!! :)

[melissan02]

I know how you feel..the look on her face and then clark wondering why lois looked him like that..I want a clois kiss!! :)

Yes, but, Clark had an interesting look too.;) Almost like he realized what she was thinking, frustrated with himself for being misleading...OR wanting to say something to her right then and there about his feelings.
Lois, though, in true fashion never missed a beat and flashed a smile saying..."he's [Jimmy] a regular Cyrano."

I just couldn't get over the gazes Clark gave Lois coming down the stairs and while she was fixing his cufflinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ooohhhhh!!! Aahhhhh!!!

[loislanechick]

Yes, but, Clark had an interesting look too.;) Almost like he realized what she was thinking, frustrated with himself for being misleading...OR wanting to say something to her right then and there about his feelings.
Lois, though, in true fashion never missed a beat and flashed a smile saying..."he's [Jimmy] a regular Cyrano."

I just couldn't get over the gazes Clark gave Lois coming down the stairs and while she was fixing his cufflinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ooohhhhh!!! Aahhhhh!!!

I knooooow...the way he was looking at her hair and her face while she was fixing his suit..he looked so in love..aaahhhhh...I swear to God, I've watched that clip like hundreds of times :D

[thehenry89]

The clois in this episode is gonna be epic.

[LoveHurts38]

IKR!!! my expectations are so high for this episode :D:D:D
Clois getting closer, kissing, admitting that they feel something for each other, checking each other out!!!! Im not sure i'll be able to function properly tomorrow waiting for Bride to come on.


:lol: That's why I have off tomorrow.

[OneShotClois]

Honestly, I didn't like this episode at all.

Maybe my expectations were too high, but I hated it.. the 2 clois scenes we got (almost kiss and wedding video) were cute. But then Lana comes and all of a sudden Clark forgets about Lois. When Lois was about to cry at the end, I cried. I feel so bad for her. Clark can go die.

[wildcherry]

Yes, but, Clark had an interesting look too.;) Almost like he realized what she was thinking, frustrated with himself for being misleading...OR wanting to say something to her right then and there about his feelings.
Lois, though, in true fashion never missed a beat and flashed a smile saying..."he's [Jimmy] a regular Cyrano."

I just couldn't get over the gazes Clark gave Lois coming down the stairs and while she was fixing his cufflinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ooohhhhh!!! Aahhhhh!!!

I knooooow...the way he was looking at her hair and her face while she was fixing his suit..he looked so in love..aaahhhhh...I swear to God, I've watched that clip like hundreds of times :D


where did you find clips?

[zorasuperman]

it was really good
but i wanted MORE
lol im really greedy

[individuall]

Clark grabbing Lois' arm to dance...Was sexy as hell to me...I don't know why..But it was just...HOT!
And he was all confident and....*GAH* I loved it!


The ending scene when Lois walks away...She's already started building up those walls..I can't wait to see Clark working on knocking them down! :D
...(in 3 months :(:mad:)

[thehenry89]

Loved em, hated the awkward clana crap, but loved the clois.

To be fair though lana did have (what I think) one of the best lines of the episode "...Lana Lang and Clark Kent just weren't meant to be together"

[AndiGirl]

The Clois was so hot!!! I didnt think they had that kind of heat in them...then there it was! :lol:

I agree Katelyn...I dont know why, but by far my favorite moment was Lois walking off the dance floor and clark grabbing her arm. I expected a goofy farm boy grin to be on his face...instead there was a smoldering "come here" look. I LOVED it!! Yes...it was squeel worthy.

All in all...I adored the Clois. I think they set it up nicely for the break. :)

[davidbrenton]

I loved Lois. My only disappointment was the blank looks Clark has with Lois. He doesn't emit and love for her. I want that to change.

This was my favorite Lois episode ever. She nailed her seens. We officially saw her as an absolutely true person.

[wildcherry]

I dont know about everybody else but i was sitting at the edge of my seat when they were going to kiss, they were SSOOOOO close i was like they are definetly going to kiss and then BAM Lana shows up and kills the moment.:rolleyes:

I really wanted Lois to jump his lily pad and plant one on him:lol:

[malcrew]

Awesome Clois scenes! Dam the servers must be going bonkers! Suprised I can actually post! Clark grabbing her hand. Hold up baby, Prince charming is here! Love the look on Lois's face. She is really ga ga over him! Clark is the MAN! Dont worry Clois Fans, Clois is here to stay!

Wish Doomsday and Clark could have battled more. Dam 2 months 2 wait!

[thehenry89]

I screamed so loud I think my neighbors heard me :lol:

[LightSeeker]

The hand grab was H-O-T HOT! Clark's all take charge. The look on his face is the kind that makes you go weak in the knees. Man! *fans self* I'm good.

You know I loved that when Clark and Lois danced there was just instrumental romantic music on and not something like with words in it. 'Cause there were just no words good enough for them at that moment. They were just swaying along with the music looking into each others eyes starring at each others lips and then...well I think we all know what happens next. I won't even go there I'm still pissed.

[davidbrenton]

I've got to give it to PS3, the manner they handled this episode and then having her be gone for four episodes after a break will actually have people screaming when she finally returns, and they will have our full attention as they make the next Clois move.

[thehenry89]

gawd I think i'm one of millions of clois fans out there who all screamed their heads off when lana showed up. I was prepared for it, but still it boiled my blood.

[LightSeeker]

I dont know about everybody else but i was sitting at the edge of my seat when they were going to kiss, they were SSOOOOO close i was like they are definetly going to kiss and then BAM Lana shows up and kills the moment.:rolleyes:

I really wanted Lois to jump his lily pad and plant one on him:lol:

I know I was giggling like a school girl when they were about to kiss.
It's like one of those dreams where you're just about to kiss someone, you're so close...then all of a sudden someone wakes you up just as it was getting good. Then you try to go back to sleep so you can finish your dream but you can't:\

I love Jimmy. "Jump his lily pad":rotfl:
Hey, I wouldn't mind doing that:D

[netlynn]

the 2 clois scenes we got (almost kiss and wedding video) were cute. But then Lana comes and all of a sudden Clark forgets about Lois.


That was the best part of the whole episode IMO.

[pizzahead2490]

yeah that grab that clark gave lois was sooo hot!!!!!

[SnowBird]

Lois and Clark had a wonderful romantic moment. Great music was playing with no words needed as their eyes said everything leading towards the almost kiss. Wow, this so reminded me of the old movies where they knew how to make a romantic scene. Two beautiful people meant to be together. Can't get better than that.

[Darth Pipes]

The chemistry between Welling and Durance is good. But the show's notorious lack of subtly is really hurting this relationship...

1) Most notably, the pimping of Lois and Clark. So far this season we've had Maxima, Kara, Faora, Jimmy, and Ollie all being used to prop up this (right now) non-existent relationship between Lois and Clark. Instead of letting the relationship proceed at a regular place, we have anvils dropped week in and week out telling us how the two are destined for each other. Enough already! Let the chemistry between the two actors (which is definitely there) carry this storyline instead of using guest stars and main characters alike shoving this relationship down everyone's throat. How long is it going to be before Doomsday (in his monster form) pimps Lois and Clark.

2) One-sided relationship...there's some attraction on Clark's part but this relationship has been 90% Lois Lane. It's almost always from her POV.

3) While Lois was much more tolerable here, the character's abrasiveness has long since worn thin.

[zorasuperman]

dont forget the hand on the chest u forgot that lol
that was important too :)
but yes i agree no words were needed

[davidbrenton]

The chemistry between Welling and Durance is good. But the show's notorious lack of subtly is really hurting this relationship...

1) Most notably, the pimping of Lois and Clark. So far this season we've had Maxima, Kara, Faora, Jimmy, and Ollie all being used to prop up this (right now) non-existent relationship between Lois and Clark. Instead of letting the relationship proceed at a regular place, we have anvils dropped week in and week out telling us how the two are destined for each other. Enough already! Let the chemistry between the two actors (which is definitely there) carry this storyline instead of using guest stars and main characters alike shoving this relationship down everyone's throat. How long is it going to be before Doomsday (in his monster form) pimps Lois and Clark.

2) One-sided relationship...there's some attraction on Clark's part but this relationship has been 90% Lois Lane. It's almost always from her POV.

3) While Lois was much more tolerable here, the character's abrasiveness has long since worn thin.

I agree that we have grown passed the need for the relationship to be "told" to us. It should now be SHOWN. I agree that it's 90% Lois, and she's doing a fantastic job, and it has the potential to fall flat if Clark doesn't pick the ball up.

I disagree on your third point. Lois Lane as written in the comics is abrasive, loud, sarcastic. This character is the most iconic version of Lois Lane ever depicted, yet she gets bad reviews because she's playing the character as it was originally intended.

[BadToad]

A bit of a mixed bag for me.

I thought this was a very "heart on her sleeve" episode for Lois (and ED was very good), and I also liked that we really got a chance to hear whats going on with Lois when she verbalized her feelings to Oliver.

And so, I felt a lot more coming from Lois here. Not completely one-sided, but no real sense of balance either.

Whereas with Clark, I'm still not entirely sure where he's coming from in regards to Lois. Does he like her? Without a doubt. But to what degree, I don't think I can tell yet. Is he attracted to her? Also without a doubt.

I thought the cufflink scene was very cute, as was the recorded message scene. And I liked him grabbing her arm, and them dancing. But frankly, while Clark's reaction to Lana arriving was expected (and dreaded), I thought it very OOC for him to just completely shrug off a near kiss. And that put a big damper on the near kiss for me.

I think I know what PS3 are going for here, as far as Clark's feelings being more confused and muddled, while Lois' are already clearly defined. And I've never minded Lois falling for Clark first. But I do think there's a lot of potential here for disaster if TPTB insist on Clark's feelings towards Lois being so ambigious, and this episode seems to make it obvious that they are going to dredge up Clana again to some extent.

I don't know. I'm interested, but concerned. IMO

[susangail]

Whereas with Clark, I'm still not entirely sure where he's coming from in regards to Lois. Does he like her? Without a doubt. But to what degree, I don't think I can tell yet. Is he attracted to her? Also without a doubt.

...

I think I know what PS3 are going for here, as far as Clark's feelings being more confused and muddled, while Lois' are already clearly defined. And I've never minded Lois falling for Clark first. But I do think there's a lot of potential here for disaster if TPTB insist on Clark's feelings towards Lois being so ambigious, and this episode seems to make it obvious that they are going to dredge up Clana again to some extent.

I don't know. I'm interested, but concerned. IMO

So am I. With a few notable exceptions, Clark's reactions were underplayed. We needed to know that he was deliberately trying not to react, or that he was swallowing his reactions, or that he was struggling to figure out how to react. I saw very little of that.

[BadToad]

So am I. With a few notable exceptions, Clark's reactions were underplayed. We needed to know that he was deliberately trying not to react, or that he was swallowing his reactions, or that he was struggling to figure out how to react. I saw very little of that.

I get this terrible feeling that they don't want to commit Clark to any definitive path in the hopes of playing with the different shippers, and I just think thats a big mistake at this point in the show.

[davidbrenton]

I'm rewatching the episode. I caught a good Clark moment. When he's talking to Oliver, he says, "you better watch out for lois. She'll pin an apron on you and name you after a disney character." then he LAUGHED to himself. Like, Lois is becoming very entertaining for him personally.

An admiration of the way she thinks type of moment.

[Wicked Lois]

links please..

[liana]

I get this terrible feeling that they don't want to commit Clark to any definitive path in the hopes of playing with the different shippers, and I just think thats a big mistake at this point in the show.

I got the feeling that they wrote those episodes so that clana would shine, and solely to please clana fans. I have no doubt that they will come back to Clark and Lois later, after Lana leaves, but I feel like it will be too late. I don't think that it will feel right any more, and that comes from a Clark and Lois fan even before SV aired.

I felt like that they just ruined an iconic relationship for the sake of some fans that had already left the show, and that will be leaving again as soon as Lana's arc is finished. And they made Clark look very bad in the process. He is allowed to be in love with whoever he wants to be, but to raise someone else's hope, as he did, when he was clearly aware of how Lois felt, and just dismiss her, as if she didn't matter at all for the rest of the episode?

Bad move, PS3. You could have had your beloved clana without needing to write Clark like that.

[davidbrenton]

We again had another character (Lana) Telling Clark what things were - not meant to be - instead of Clark coming to that decision ON HIS OWN.

I hope that changes.

[susangail]

^^^ Agreed. Apparently, it will take him another four episodes ;)

[dreamsofnever]

We again had another character (Lana) Telling Clark what things were - not meant to be - instead of Clark coming to that decision ON HIS OWN.

I hope that changes.

Yes, thank you!

I hate that as soon as Lana walked into the room, suddenly it was all about Lana. A giant monster crashes in and attacks people? *Oh no, Lana, are you okay?*

Said giant monster runs off with Chloe: Clark hangs around the hospital *Lana, are you okay?*

Oh and not to mention he almost kisses Lois, and as soon as Lana comes in, it's like that didn't even happen.

Yeah, I loved this episode but I had more faith that Clark would be less BDA-ish and would actually show that he's moved on from Lana a bit when she came back.

Well, I guess we'll see after the break. I'm still keeping hope alive!

[SteveS]

"I disagree on your third point. Lois Lane as written in the comics is abrasive, loud, sarcastic. This character is the most iconic version of Lois Lane ever depicted, yet she gets bad reviews because she's playing the character as it was originally intended."

No, this is the dumb-down version of lois of the recent funny books. The original Lois Lane was not ever depicted as a near-alcoholic seeking solace by swilling champagne out of a bottle at a weddding.

As such, this is the worst representation of a Lois Lane ever on screen. Funny books are for a different forum.

[LCforever]

MY HEART WAS BREAKING FOR LOIS!! AHHHH!! I WANT TO CRY!! And now we have to wait 3 months for a resolution!!!

GRR WHERE THE HECK IS DOOMSDAY. I WANT HIM TO KILL LANA NOW!!!!!!:mad::mad:

[CK2k6]

Lois got pwned by Lana :(

LCForever go get that shotgun, i'll bring the bag!

[kookykrumbs]

I loved everything up until Lana showed up. Clark just totally forgot Lois from that point on. I was at least hoping he'd check to see if she was ok at the hospital but Lana had to practically kick him out of her room for Clark to notice Lois in the hallway.

[davidbrenton]

"I disagree on your third point. Lois Lane as written in the comics is abrasive, loud, sarcastic. This character is the most iconic version of Lois Lane ever depicted, yet she gets bad reviews because she's playing the character as it was originally intended."

No, this is the dumb-down version of lois of the recent funny books. The original Lois Lane was not ever depicted as a near-alcoholic seeking solace by swilling champagne out of a bottle at a weddding.

As such, this is the worst representation of a Lois Lane ever on screen. Funny books are for a different forum.

She has her vices which she overcomes. I think it makes her human and will show her strength in the long run.

This is still young lois lane. And a picture of perfection would not an interesting character make.

[LCforever]

Lois got pwned by Lana :(

LCForever go get that shotgun, i'll bring the bag!

HAH! At this point I might need to get a bazooka in case she ends up living again!

I CAN'T THIS ANYMORE! SOMEONE NEEDS TO REWRITE THIS EPISODE IN A FANFIC BECAUSE I AM SO FREAKING PISSED RIGHT NOW!!

[CloisAroundTheGlobe]

I loved everything up until Lana showed up. Clark just totally forgot Lois from that point on. I was at least hoping he'd check to see if she was ok at the hospital but Lana had to practically kick him out of her room for Clark to notice Lois in the hallway.
YES!! that pissed me off to the max... Clark should have bloody stopped her as she was leaving and said something, not just brush her off.. what a superdouche:mad:

[liana]

MY HEART WAS BREAKING FOR LOIS!! AHHHH!! I WANT TO CRY!! And now we have to wait 3 months for a resolution!!!

GRR WHERE THE HECK IS DOOMSDAY. I WANT HIM TO KILL LANA NOW!!!!!!:mad::mad:

It is not Lana's fault. The one that not even remember that Lois existed was Clark, not Lana. If you want to blame anyone, blame Clark. Better yet, blame the producers. I sure do!

[virginie]

really like it:D:D:D:D exept the last scene it was so sad...:(

[davidbrenton]

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That whole scene with LOIS & CLARK AT THE END...Lois said: Why did this have to happen to her? Why do these terrible things have to keep happening all around us?

Clark: I promise. We're going to get Chloe back.

Lois: What if we can;t?


SHE WASN"T TALKING ABOUT CHLOE. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!! THEIR LOVE CONNECTION!!! What if they can't ever get the chance they had that night back!!!

[borednow]

YES!! that pissed me off to the max... Clark should have bloody stopped her as she was leaving and said something, not just brush her off.. what a superdouche:mad:

He doesn't get it. He is the BDA after all...

[LCforever]

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That whole scene with LOIS & CLARK AT THE END...Lois said: Why did this have to happen to her? Why do these terrible things have to keep happening all around us?

Clark: I promise. We're going to get Chloe back.

Lois: What if we can;t?


SHE WASN"T TALKING ABOUT CHLOE. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!! THEIR LOVE CONNECTION!!! What if they can't ever get the chance they had that night back!!!

Yup, I was thinking this exact thing. She's definitely talking about them.

Clark needs to man-up and realize that THE WOMAN STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM IS HIS SOULMATE!!!!!!!!!

[davidbrenton]

Yup, I was thinking this exact thing. She's definitely talking about them.

Clark needs to man-up and realize that THE WOMAN STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM IS HIS SOULMATE!!!!!!!!!

Thank you. I was so excited I posted this on another thread, and they were like, "no, I think she was worried about Chloe."

No way in heck. That whole scene played so beautifully to exactly how she felt about them. Plus, if she was really worried about Chloe, she'd stay and help Clark find her. And, she said "I'm going to star city. I'll be there until I hear from...Chloe." She had to hesitate because she was going to say "u" It was all there.

Wow. That was so powerful.

[Clana4Life]

The chemistry between Welling and Durance is good. But the show's notorious lack of subtly is really hurting this relationship...

1) Most notably, the pimping of Lois and Clark. So far this season we've had Maxima, Kara, Faora, Jimmy, and Ollie all being used to prop up this (right now) non-existent relationship between Lois and Clark. Instead of letting the relationship proceed at a regular place, we have anvils dropped week in and week out telling us how the two are destined for each other. Enough already! Let the chemistry between the two actors (which is definitely there) carry this storyline instead of using guest stars and main characters alike shoving this relationship down everyone's throat. How long is it going to be before Doomsday (in his monster form) pimps Lois and Clark.

2) One-sided relationship...there's some attraction on Clark's part but this relationship has been 90% Lois Lane. It's almost always from her POV.

3) While Lois was much more tolerable here, the character's abrasiveness has long since worn thin.


100% agree with you on everything.

[SnowBird]

Didn't Clark giving a hug to Lois before she left with Jimmy count? Lana is going to be history and since I have waited 4 years plus for Lois and Clark to get together, I can wait a few more months. I enjoy the journey and it's been a good one so far. I'm glad Lois is different with Clark than she was with the other men in her life. She was almost shy and hesitant with Clark instead of bold and self confident like she was with AC, Ollie and Grant. When Clark isn't on red K or hypnotized, he is gentle and loving and that is the way I'd like to see Lois and Clark at least in the beginning. I saw a hint of this with them with the dance and almost kiss so I'm hopeful. I'm sure we won't be disappointed when they actually get together.

[Clana4Life]

I got the feeling that they wrote those episodes so that clana would shine, and solely to please clana fans. I have no doubt that they will come back to Clark and Lois later, after Lana leaves, but I feel like it will be too late. I don't think that it will feel right any more, and that comes from a Clark and Lois fan even before SV aired.

I felt like that they just ruined an iconic relationship for the sake of some fans that had already left the show, and that will be leaving again as soon as Lana's arc is finished. And they made Clark look very bad in the process. He is allowed to be in love with whoever he wants to be, but to raise someone else's hope, as he did, when he was clearly aware of how Lois felt, and just dismiss her, as if she didn't matter at all for the rest of the episode?

Bad move, PS3. You could have had your beloved clana without needing to write Clark like that.

Being a Clana fan, I do agree. I feel like Clark forget everything when Lana walked in. And to try to go back to Lois after it's all over make her seem like second choice. I don't know how they can remedy this. Clark still seems to be in love with Lana and I don't know how that will disappear in four episodes. He's as devoted as ever to her.

By the way is "Liana" a merger of two names? If so, which?

[smallviluva]

yea i agree with you davidbrenton, but i think that he will be the one in the end to tell lana that he has feelings for someone else (lois) and its time that he leaves clana part of his life behind, just in the last epi that lana is in! hopefully!

[superfast023]

i realized that i like this show alot more this season than last...and i just figured out why. as soon as lana left it stopped being a soap drama and started being superman. lana ruins this show, and i realized it when i turned off the tv and was like....i dont feel fulfilled at all. she needs to leave before they cancel the show without a fitting end because the producers want more drama.

[davidbrenton]

i realized that i like this show alot more this season than last...and i just figured out why. as soon as lana left it stopped being a soap drama and started being superman. lana ruins this show, and i realized it when i turned off the tv and was like....i dont feel fulfilled at all. she needs to leave before they cancel the show without a fitting end because the producers want more drama.

Yes, all of a sudden it is a soap again. Except, I enjoyed it slightly more because of Lois, but yes. Lana came back, and it's a soap.

Plus, it took her like 5 minutes to end up in the hospital.

[hyped4lnc]

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That whole scene with LOIS & CLARK AT THE END...Lois said: Why did this have to happen to her? Why do these terrible things have to keep happening all around us?

Clark: I promise. We're going to get Chloe back.

Lois: What if we can;t?


SHE WASN"T TALKING ABOUT CHLOE. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEM!!!! THEIR LOVE CONNECTION!!! What if they can't ever get the chance they had that night back!!!
I got that to. She was definitely referring to them in that last sentence. I wish he would have said something after that.

Overall, I loved the scenes. I feel sorry for Lois, but I am not ready to burn Clark at the stake either. Clark spent his whole life thinking Lana was his future, and she abruptly took that away from him. As soon as the thought of someone else to love penetrations through his thick skull, Lana is back. I think he was shocked and agitated. He doesn't seem to want to true to recapture the relationship. Like Oliver said, there is moving on in theory, and then there is the moment when it actually happens. Can we honestly say that Clark has had that moment before tonight? At the end, I think he finally accepted that he and Lana are through, but he is still scared to put himself out there again. I do hate that they made Lois so vulnerable tonight. I mean she would have said "I do" to him no questions asked. For so many different versions of Superman, we always saw Clark in Lois's position. I actually like seeing it the other way around. JMO.

[Minela]

Man, I hope I won't get kicked out of the Clois fanclub if I admit to have voted for the 4th option. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Clois, especially Clark grabbing Lois' hand at the dance and the hug at the hospital and the goodbye, oh and the moment on the staircase. So wonderful and if they would have left it at just that the episode would have been perfect.

I just felt that maybe... there was a bit too much Clois in one episode, especially since it was coming mostly from Lois' side. Clark reading Jimmy's vows and Lois thinking he is saying that stuff to her was a bit too much, IMO and so was that long drawn out almost-kiss.

I could have done with a bit more banter and a bit less Lois mooning over Clark in this episode, but I still love my Clois. Just my very honest opinion.

BTW, I'm staying spoiler free but I just read that Lois won't be back for three more months???? WTFFFFFF!!!!

[pizzahead2490]

some one should shoot clark with a kriptonite bullet

[svtwamedfan05]

BTW, I'm staying spoiler free but I just read that Lois won't be back for three more months???? WTFFFFFF!!!!

Yep after the episodes come back in Jan we won't have Lois back until the 15th episode

[davidbrenton]

Man, I hope I won't get kicked out of the Clois fanclub if I admit to have voted for the 4th option. Don't get me wrong, I loved the Clois, especially Clark grabbing Lois' hand at the dance and the hug at the hospital and the goodbye, oh and the moment on the staircase. So wonderful and if they would have left it at just that the episode would have been perfect.

I just felt that maybe... there was a bit too much Clois in one episode, especially since it was coming mostly from Lois' side. Clark reading Jimmy's vows and Lois thinking he is saying that stuff to her was a bit too much, IMO and so was that long drawn out almost-kiss.

I could have done with a bit more banter and a bit less Lois mooning over Clark in this episode, but I still love my Clois. Just my very honest opinion.

BTW, I'm staying spoiler free but I just read that Lois won't be back for three more months???? WTFFFFFF!!!!

Take a moment, understand the last sentence you wrote and that it is the truth. Now, go back and tell us again that you believe there was too much Clois.

It's all we get for three months, remember. 4 episodes without her.

[svtwamedfan05]

some one should shoot clark with a kriptonite bullet

LMAO where's Lex when you need him :rotfl:

[individuall]

some one should shoot clark with a kriptonite bullet

Where's Lex when you need him?:rolleyes:

ETA: Abby you beat me too it :lol:

[svtwamedfan05]

It's all we get for three months, remember. 4 episodes without her.

Ugh don't remind me :(

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Where's Lex when you need him?:rolleyes:

ETA: Abby you beat me too it :lol:

Lol, great minds think alike

[Minela]

Take a moment, understand the last sentence you wrote and that it is the truth. Now, go back and tell us again that you believe there was too much Clois.

It's all we get for three months, remember. 4 episodes without her.

*cries* It's a double edged sword. But you're right. Four episodes without Lois...I don't know how I could handle that. Let's just say, I'd trade that scene with Jimmy's vows for something more in the banter direction and cut the almost kiss by two seconds and the episode is perfect.

[LCforever]

I was counting on this episode to give us lots of Clois goodness to last for 2 months but now I think it's going to be a cold winter =(...

This sucks!

[davidbrenton]

*cries* It's a double edged sword. But you're right. Four episodes without Lois...I don't know how I could handle that. Let's just say, I'd trade that scene with Jimmy's vows for something more in the banter direction and cut the almost kiss by two seconds and the episode is perfect.

They really cut right to the heart of the L&C relationship. I even hate to say it, but it got SOOO deep, that a few episodes off may be good for us and the future direction of the relationship.

I'm thinking we saw lois' full heart here. After she returns, she'll be stronger than ever and start captivating Clark.

Oh yeah. And the banter will be back.

[Dpyro]

Lois doesn't love clark she loves superman which he is right now, he hasn't made the alter ego clark kent yet so in this season he has too make the transition over so there wont be any clois

[pizzahead2490]

I was counting on this episode to give us lots of Clois goodness to last for 2 months but now I think it's going to be a cold winter =(...

This sucks!

nice to know that i am not the only one who is gonna freaze my azz off.:(

[davidbrenton]

I was counting on this episode to give us lots of Clois goodness to last for 2 months but now I think it's going to be a cold winter =(...

This sucks!

I don't know. I keep watching their scenes over and over. It's certainly keeping me warm tonight. I'm still in WOW phase.

What makes you say it's going to be a cold winter though? You didn't like it?

[amalie]

I think TPTB executed their plan very well ;)


Was the clois mostly one sided? Yes. Clark is obviously attracted to Lois and he's certainly a willing paritcipant in the dance/almost kiss but he's nowhere near at the Lois stage of falling. She is completely head over heals in love and this, at least in my opinion, is the last time we'll see Lois wear her heart on her sleave (at least to this extent). This was the episode that sets up the boundaries and that's the reason I'm not disappointed. It needed to happen so we can have Clark falling for, and chasing, Lois later on.

Lois put herself totally out there and got knocked down, it might not have been intentional on Clark's part but boy did he hurt her. It was an inevitability that Lana was going to have an effect on him but I didn't see him pining or looking like he wanted Clana back. For example after the loft scene he came down the stairs smiling away, it obviously didn't hurt him that much. Unfortunately Lois doesn't quite see it that way :(

The final scene definitely had a double meaning. On the surface Lois is talking about Chloe but it's also an allegory for her and Clark. Clark doesn't quite seem to realise that, maybe not until the moment she walks out anyway. I loved the way she said she'd wait to hear from Chloe, there was a moment when I thought she was saying Clark and I think that was completely intentional.

So, was the Clois a little disappointing? Maybe from one angle but ultimately I think Bride's done it's job well.

[individuall]

For the love of....

In the new incarnation of the comics (since the late 80's) it has been Canon for Lois to fall in Love with Clark Kent and have a fascination/crush on Superman...Even this was true for the 90's tv show LnC...

[LCforever]

No, it's just that it was so heartbreaking at the end. I wish they resolved it better. You know like, they could have had some hope in the end but instead Clark was just the BDA like he always is and he just lets Lois walk away from him!! ERGH!!

[razta]

all i've gotta say is "THANK YOU VERY MUCH LANA!" your great timing ruined it!

[davidbrenton]

Alright, I've seen it soo many times. But, I have no idea what it means. What is BDA?

[faz]

Well considering that at the moment "Superman" is simply the "Red-and-Blue Blur", I don't think that's the case. I don't know too many people who've fallen in love based on a blurry photo.

And yes, in the post-Crisis universe, Lois does fall in love with Clark.

[razta]

Alright, I've seen it soo many times. But, I have no idea what it means. What is BDA?
Big Dumb Alien

[svtwamedfan05]

Alright, I've seen it soo many times. But, I have no idea what it means. What is BDA?

Big Dumb Alien

[davidbrenton]

Yeah, I think that's here to stay for the most part.

[Minela]

They really cut right to the heart of the L&C relationship. I even hate to say it, but it got SOOO deep, that a few episodes off may be good for us and the future direction of the relationship.

I'm thinking we saw lois' full heart here. After she returns, she'll be stronger than ever and start captivating Clark.

Oh yeah. And the banter will be back.

You know, after Lois comes back she needs to put up a wall and stop wearing her heart on her sleeve so we can finally see Clark trying to win her over. I also desperately DESPERATELY need another RedK episode. Puuuuuuhleeeeeeeze PS3, with sugar on top. :p

[Dpyro]

it would make alot of sense if he becomes dorky clark kent cause if he doesnt she falls in love with this clark kent=superman then how would he hide his secret

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Well considering that at the moment "Superman" is simply the "Red-and-Blue Blur", I don't think that's the case. I don't know too many people who've fallen in love based on a blurry photo.

And yes, in the post-Crisis universe, Lois does fall in love with Clark.

im not talking about the red and blue blur im saying his personality is more like superman now he's not the nerdy clark that trips and falls and wears glasses he basically is superman right now his attitude and personality wise

[hyped4lnc]

^^ I can't wait to see Clark chase after Lois. Part of the fun is seeing him pine for her as Clark Kent knowing that he can have her as Superman. Since there is no Superman at the moment, Smallville had to go another route.

[svtwamedfan05]

You know, after Lois comes back she needs to put up a wall and stop wearing her heart on her sleeve so we can finally see Clark trying to win her over. I also desperately DESPERATELY need another RedK episode. Puuuuuuhleeeeeeeze PS3, with sugar on top. :p

I have a feeling that's what PS3 wants to do. When Lois comes back she'll have her barriers up again and for the last part of the season we'll see Clark doing the falling and chasing. Well that's atleast what I hope they are trying to do.

[davidbrenton]

I hope we get another season to explain all that with the smallville spin.

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Lois loves clark. Lois loves superman. Lois loves kal el. It's all the same person, especially in this universe.

[ginnyfan]

I've got to give it to PS3, the manner they handled this episode and then having her be gone for four episodes after a break will actually have people screaming when she finally returns, and they will have our full attention as they make the next Clois move.

Oh you're right. When Lois returns I'll be holding my breath!

dont forget the hand on the chest u forgot that lol
that was important too :)
but yes i agree no words were needed

Lois can never resist Clark's chest. Even when she was imagining Clark in the suit her hand drifted toward the chest area.

About Clark and Lana... It doesn't worry me because Clark was right to be angry. I don't think it reflects badly on Lois or his growing feelings for her that Lana eclipsed that moment. She deeply hurt him and then appears out of the blue tearing the wound open again. I like that he tells her he needed notice. Reminds me of "When Harry Met Sally" when Harry's ex shows up and he's singing show tunes. It's not that he doesn't have something special with Sally he's just... still hurting over his ex. I dunno...

We are more from Lois' POV here than Clark's. So there are a lot of question marks on Clark's end. That just makes us feel for Lois more. If we knew that Clark felt the same way her worries would be more humorous than heart rending. I have hope that Clois will play out ok when Lois returns. She may... have her walls back up but...

Post Lana, Clark will be emotionally free to explore what he feels for Lois.

[amalie]

I have a feeling that's what PS3 wants to do. When Lois comes back she'll have her barriers up again and for the last part of the season we'll see Clark doing the falling and chasing. Well that's atleast what I hope they are trying to do.

I'm fairly confident that's how it's going to go. There was no point in breaking Lois like this if they're not going to put the barriers up. When she's finally back (damn that long break :mad:) she'll be walled off and Clark is going to fall for her big time

[Minela]

I have a feeling that's what PS3 wants to do. When Lois comes back she'll have her barriers up again and for the last part of the season we'll see Clark doing the falling and chasing. Well that's atleast what I hope they are trying to do.

You and me both. But I've been thinking, with all those sexual innuendoes flying all over the place... there must be a lot of pent up 'stuff' building up in poor Clarkie boy, we need a RedK eppy for the poor guy's sake. ;)

[Theshadow129x]

For the love of....

In the new incarnation of the comics (since the late 80's) it has been Canon for Lois to fall in Love with Clark Kent and have a fascination/crush on Superman...Even this was true for the 90's tv show LnC...

:lol: i love when people get angry at explaining this over and over again. you are correct though

[davidbrenton]

I feel much better about her absence now. I was fuming a few weeks ago. I'm so glad they;re not ruining it.

[chlarked_foever89]

I really like them together, but their interest in eachother seems rushed. I mean they never looked at eachother like that before, why this episode? I don't understand why all of a sudden Clark felt like he wanted to kiss her when this whole time he has been annoyed by her and was just starting to be her close friend? The same with Lois, he's always bugged her, when did she start liking him I can't remember. Can anyone detail the progression of their relationship for me from when they first met? I just would like to be clear on when around what epi they started to flirt etc.?

[SnowBird]

I have made my contribution to this thread but I'm going to add that I'm tired of the Clark bashing. Last week it was some of the Chloe fans. this week it is some of the Lois fans. It seems by the negetive posts that Clark just can't get a break from SV fans. I'm beginning to wonder if he should just become Superman and leave the women behind so no one can find fault.:(

[hyped4lnc]

Oh you're right. When Lois returns I'll be holding my breath!



Lois can never resist Clark's chest. Even when she was imagining Clark in the suit her hand drifted toward the chest area.

About Clark and Lana... It doesn't worry me because Clark was right to be angry. I don't think it reflects badly on Lois or his growing feelings for her that Lana eclipsed that moment. She deeply hurt him and then appears out of the blue tearing the wound open again. I like that he tells her he needed notice. Reminds me of "When Harry Met Sally" when Harry's ex shows up and he's singing show tunes. It's not that he doesn't have something special with Sally he's just... still hurting over his ex. I dunno...

We are more from Lois' POV here than Clark's. So there are a lot of question marks on Clark's end. That just makes us feel for Lois more. If we knew that Clark felt the same way her worries would be more humorous than heart rending. I have hope that Clois will play out ok when Lois returns. She may... have her walls back up but...

Post Lana, Clark will be emotionally free to explore what he feels for Lois.I think we are going to see more of Clark's POV in the next four episodes. Like David said at first I didn't want a long break from Lois, but I think it is what Clark needs. It might put thinks into perspective for him. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Cliches are around for a reason. By the time Requiem airs, Clark will finally come to a conclusion on how he really feels about Lois.

Snowbird, I agree about the Clark bashing. I like Lois more than Clark, but I really can't comprehend a reason to bash over this.

[zHeN_zHeN]

I can't vote. My heart is still aching for Lois. :(

[davidbrenton]

I almost feel like I've seen it too many times to judge clearly. But what if Lois' plea to Clark kind of inspires him to constantly save the world for Lois. Like, he's making the world a better place for her and that gives him some internal joy. Can that be one of his driving forces and would that make sense with what we've seen?

Her innate desire for the world to be better is so resilient and she always seems to be free to voice those concerns to him.

[amberdawn]

I'm sure we won't be disappointed when they actually get together.

I really don't think we'll ever see it.

I'm so disappointed with this episode when it comes to Clois.

[SnowBird]

I don't see why L&C can't become a couple towards the end of SV. Who is going to complain when the show is finished. Smallville has always done things their own way. Look at the villains that have met up with the younger Clark that you usually don't see until he becomes Superman. Nothing is impossible in Smallville and I think Lois and Clark will be together.

[Jade4813]

I have made my contribution to this thread but I'm going to add that I'm tired of the Clark bashing. Last week it was some of the Chloe fans. this week it is some of the Lois fans. It seems by the negetive posts that Clark just can't get a break from SV fans. I'm beginning to wonder if he should just become Superman and leave the women behind so no one can find fault.:(

I was a little disappointed because there were a couple of things I wish they'd done a little differently with Clark. But I don't feel the urge to bash him over this. I do continue to hope that my hope that he won't regress and become MopeyMan in the next few episodes will be rewarded! :) I'm loving the new and matured Clark Kent, and I'm just hoping no regression takes place!

Unless that happens, I'm going to try to remain a bash-free zone, particularly as pertains to Clark. I shall even try with Lana. Try. Try being the operative word, there. Try.

[amalie]

I was a little disappointed because there were a couple of things I wish they'd done a little differently with Clark. But I don't feel the urge to bash him over this. I do continue to hope that my hope that he won't regress and become MopeyMan in the next few episodes will be rewarded! :) I'm loving the new and matured Clark Kent, and I'm just hoping no regression takes place!

Unless that happens, I'm going to try to remain a bash-free zone, particularly as pertains to Clark. I shall even try with Lana. Try. Try being the operative word, there. Try.


I think he did a pretty good job of not moping in Bride thankfully. Sure he seemed effected by Lana's return but I think he remained fairly mature...hopefully that'll remain. I also wish they'd done some things differently but overall I was happy enough. I truely think it sets up the rest of the season nicely.

[malcrew]

To be honest I think 4 episodes without Lois is too much. But I'll have to wait and see if the episodes without her will be good. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[beatles4]

How ironic that Clark and Lois get interrupted in their "almost" kiss during Chloe's wedding reception while they are dancing. Clark and Chloe also got interrupted while dancing! I just knew it wasn't going to happen this time either. Guess that the writers' way of keeping things "slow" between Clark and Lois. Oh well, maybe sometime before the end of the series, we'll see it actually happen! I loved how they used their eyes and facial expressions that said way more than actual words. I for one will miss seeing Lois for the next few episodes. She brings so much to the show, especially humour!

[La Donna]

"I disagree on your third point. Lois Lane as written in the comics is abrasive, loud, sarcastic. This character is the most iconic version of Lois Lane ever depicted, yet she gets bad reviews because she's playing the character as it was originally intended."

No, this is the dumb-down version of lois of the recent funny books. The original Lois Lane was not ever depicted as a near-alcoholic seeking solace by swilling champagne out of a bottle at a weddding.

As such, this is the worst representation of a Lois Lane ever on screen. Funny books are for a different forum.


I guess I'm not watching the same show as you. I watch Smallville on the CW, and they've showed or mentioned Lois Lane and drinking alcohol three times I believe. How is that a near alcoholic? It's fine that you think Lois Lane on Smallville is the worst depiction of the iconic character, but untrue statements don't have to be used to support the argument. You are free to hate her as much as you like, for whatever reasons you like, but you did say something that just wasn't true and used that as a reason why you dislike her.

[Kal-ed]

The chemistry between Welling and Durance is good. But the show's notorious lack of subtly is really hurting this relationship...

1) Most notably, the pimping of Lois and Clark. So far this season we've had Maxima, Kara, Faora, Jimmy, and Ollie all being used to prop up this (right now) non-existent relationship between Lois and Clark. Instead of letting the relationship proceed at a regular place, we have anvils dropped week in and week out telling us how the two are destined for each other. Enough already! Let the chemistry between the two actors (which is definitely there) carry this storyline instead of using guest stars and main characters alike shoving this relationship down everyone's throat. How long is it going to be before Doomsday (in his monster form) pimps Lois and Clark.

2) One-sided relationship...there's some attraction on Clark's part but this relationship has been 90% Lois Lane. It's almost always from her POV.

3) While Lois was much more tolerable here, the character's abrasiveness has long since worn thin.

ITA with points 1 and 2; as for point 3, sort of, I think they over do her at times but mostly she´s like every Lois Lane from, at least the past 20 years.

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I have made my contribution to this thread but I'm going to add that I'm tired of the Clark bashing. Last week it was some of the Chloe fans. this week it is some of the Lois fans. It seems by the negetive posts that Clark just can't get a break from SV fans. I'm beginning to wonder if he should just become Superman and leave the women behind so no one can find fault.:(

Im right there with you, he did nothing wrong.

And IMO if he leaves every woman behind, he´ll be hated by all fan groups not just one :rotfl: so I dont think that´s the best way to go.

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I think he did a pretty good job of not moping in Bride thankfully. Sure he seemed effected by Lana's return but I think he remained fairly mature...hopefully that'll remain. I also wish they'd done some things differently but overall I was happy enough. I truely think it sets up the rest of the season nicely.

The fact that he left Lana to go find Chloe, speaks volumes of what´s to come, its sort of like Neal Armstrongs frist step on the moon, it was a small step in factual terms but in significance a giant one. Walking out of Lana´s room may have been 2 or 3 steps but its miles away from Sleeper or Arrival.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I was disappointed.

Lois doesn't get all worked up over a guy. She sucks it up and hides her feelings.

Other than that, they were okay.

[Kal-ed]

I really don't think we'll ever see it.

I'm so disappointed with this episode when it comes to Clois.

Hey boo;):lol:

Dont be so negative, AlMIles really did a number on you didnt they?? This guys are diferent and in this episode it was evident to me. They are actually doing what Ive always asked for, to make it very clear that Lois is not a second option. Sure Clark´s going to flake when Lana comes back, specially without a warning, after she left like that, everyone needs closure and Clark never got it, he needs it, its normal, he didnt forget about Lois, the scene in the hospital showed it. Of course he´ll be confused and he´ll probably want to atempt something with Lana but he´ll realize its more about him than about them being good together, once he realizes that, he´ll be home free. Whether he goes to Lois after that or not, that´s a nother story.

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Lois doesn't get all worked up over a guy. She sucks it up and hides her feelings.


You know how they say that exceptions are the confirmation of a rule, well, what you say is true... with the exception of Clark Kent; she just cant help getting worked up over him.

Its not just any guy, its her guy... THE guy.

[amberdawn]

:lol: :lol:

I'm feeling a little better about it now. After rewatching the scenes over and over and hearing other people's thoughts.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

You know how they say that exceptions are the confirmation of a rule, well, what you say is true... with the exception of Clark Kent; she just cant help getting worked up over him.

Its not just any guy, its her guy... THE guy.

I guess. :\

[Kal-ed]

:lol: :lol:

I'm feeling a little better about it now. After rewatching the scenes over and over and hearing other people's thoughts.

Yup, Its like this awsome song say´s "Relax, take it easy, cause there is nothing that we can do"

Im confident all this CLois development wasnt for nothing, if it were AlMiles, Id be placing bets about Clois being buried for ever but somehow I think they really have this season maped out and the Lana break fits perfectly in it. See we´r thinking Lois missing 4 episodes is a bad thing, and it is, in a way, cause we dont get to see one of our favorite characters but it also means mrre Lois in the final episodes.

Even if Erica doesnt get any extra episodes, we have her in 6 out of the 9 remaining episodes.

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I guess. :\


Cmon, why are people so bummed, it was a great epi, great things will come, its a half of season cliffhanger, Clois included, its not over, it was just left hanging with a promise for more.

[skylar]

I was a little upset on how they played out the situation
between Clark and Lois. All I can hope for is that PS3 fix the storyline when Lois comes back in episode 15.

[smvlladdict]

Hated it! No chemistry!!!! I ain't buying this sh#t!

[darkone]

As I pointed out several times it takes much more for a relationship than comic book history/zipping up dresses/anvils and such things to make it believable to me. SV was never created for a Clois pairing. This show was created around Clark's love for Lana. For better or worse it had an organic beginning, an organic buildup and hopefully an organic end. Clois has nothing of that imo. Not the romantic relationship between them. However, I find it ironic that Clana seems to be the mature/grown up relationship compared to Clois. I don't think it's supposed that way when they started the series but I like it. :)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

However, I find it ironic that Clana seems to be the mature/grown up relationship compared to Clois.

:lol: Clana's been a lot of things over the years, but 'mature' is not one of them.

The whole teen angst with the 'secrets and lies' drama made the ship unhealthy for so long. And even after Lana found out, she kept secrets from Clark.

Clois have never had that problem.

[miks]

I find Clois hilarious. It's completely one sided, yet when this happened with oh who was that one character who's done everything first? Oh that's right Chloe! When it happened with her, everyone was tired of her pining. Now that it's Lois, omg! She loves him so much! Just a few episodes ago, Lois couldn't stand him, now she's in love with him? Give me a break. Oh and the almost Clois kiss...doesn't that remind you guys of an almost kiss that already happened in Smallville? The almost Chlark kiss at the Spring Formal that was interrupted by none other than, that's right Lana!
I really want an honest answer from you guys, how do you not see that Lois is doing exactly what Chloe already did?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I really want an honest answer from you guys, how do you not see that Lois is doing exactly what Chloe already did?

Easy. Because she's not.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Chloe stayed around hoping that Clark will see her for 7years, despite Clark constantly telling & showing her he only wants Clana. Lois on the other hand left Clark to it..gave him SPACE, to see if he still wants Lana. No convincing from Lois..nothing..no fever letter repeat..nothing.

It takes a strong woman to do that.
Please watch Erica's interview with TV Guide to get the answer:)

[miks]

But she is...
EDIT
I'm not going to rain on your Cloisers parade

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Anyway....back on topic

It's good how they were working on the wedding together.

Working together at the DP seems to have done them both some good.

[DontCha]

YES!! that pissed me off to the max... Clark should have bloody stopped her as she was leaving and said something, not just brush her off.. what a superdouche:mad:

see now, I know he didnt stop her but did you see his face when she walked out the door?

was exactly this: :(

to nervous to speak up but he wants her in his life..

[Carolina87]

I was disappointed.

Lois doesn't get all worked up over a guy. She sucks it up and hides her feelings.

Other than that, they were okay.

Yeah i know what you mean thats not the typical Lois but we kind of assume that's whats gonna happen after she returns. She will put up a front and hide her feelings and now Clark will have to do all the work (serves him right :mad:)

I'm watching the episode again as i type!! *Ahhhhhh its so hard to watch the almost kiss scenes*

BTW i couldn't sit still last night as i watched them dance cuz i knew what was going to happen next!! Damn spoilers >_>

[jimmyolsenblues]

i did love the clois scenes but i was too mad at writers for having lana show up when she did

[davidbrenton]

Hated it! No chemistry!!!! I ain't buying this sh#t!

That was funny.

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As I pointed out several times it takes much more for a relationship than comic book history/zipping up dresses/anvils and such things to make it believable to me. SV was never created for a Clois pairing. This show was created around Clark's love for Lana. For better or worse it had an organic beginning, an organic buildup and hopefully an organic end. Clois has nothing of that imo. Not the romantic relationship between them. However, I find it ironic that Clana seems to be the mature/grown up relationship compared to Clois. I don't think it's supposed that way when they started the series but I like it. :)

No, Clana is the unhealthy relationship. Just because Lana realizes that does not mean Clana is "more mature",

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see now, I know he didnt stop her but did you see his face when she walked out the door?

was exactly this: :(

to nervous to speak up but he wants her in his life..

Yes, he did do that for like a split second. He becomes harder to see when you rewatch. But, yes it was there.

[DontCha]

I find Clois hilarious. It's completely one sided, yet when this happened with oh who was that one character who's done everything first? Oh that's right Chloe! When it happened with her, everyone was tired of her pining. Now that it's Lois, omg! She loves him so much! Just a few episodes ago, Lois couldn't stand him, now she's in love with him? Give me a break. Oh and the almost Clois kiss...doesn't that remind you guys of an almost kiss that already happened in Smallville? The almost Chlark kiss at the Spring Formal that was interrupted by none other than, that's right Lana!
I really want an honest answer from you guys, how do you not see that Lois is doing exactly what Chloe already did?

what i find hilarious is, since late season 7 we've seen steady clois development yet it gets a blind eye. It was not the kind straight forward, "I love you and i like it" development, its actually more realstic than that, its the kind where someone feels something, it scares them and they try to deny or hide it, and its all given a complete blind eye by some because they really dont want it to be happening so they just "dont see it". And then later, after all this denial from the characters when the feelings are said out loud by them..its then "LIGHTSWITCH! LIGHSWITCH" its NOT imo

Also how can you say its one sided? Since committed Clark has known he has feelings for Lois and by Bride they are bubbling to the surface you see it on his face in almost every clois scene, HE was the one that made the almost kiss happen, he looked at her lips and Lois thought "he wants me" and so she decided to kiss him. Then later we get her "for one moment i felt like someone needed me"

but again, I love how that little moment in Committed where the elevator doors closed on a clark so stunned by his answer to the question "do you love lois?" is SO overlooked, it was right in our faces, clark realized something about Lois Lane and ever since that moment he has been battling with his feelings. Just like when Lois realized she had feelings for clark way back in Apocalypse. It crept up on Lois and it crept up on clark...just took a bit longer to happen.

to tell you where it all started? where it actually changed from anvils to real time development?, it was Siren. we get from lois: "why settle for hot ruich and famous when i can hang out with you" and clark looks at her, smiles then thinks..."wait a second" and then we get some interesting musical chords played here, as sort of "ohh whats this? and so it starts" kind of music.

[davidbrenton]

I find Clois hilarious. It's completely one sided, yet when this happened with oh who was that one character who's done everything first? Oh that's right Chloe! When it happened with her, everyone was tired of her pining. Now that it's Lois, omg! She loves him so much! Just a few episodes ago, Lois couldn't stand him, now she's in love with him? Give me a break. Oh and the almost Clois kiss...doesn't that remind you guys of an almost kiss that already happened in Smallville? The almost Chlark kiss at the Spring Formal that was interrupted by none other than, that's right Lana!
I really want an honest answer from you guys, how do you not see that Lois is doing exactly what Chloe already did?

They're not doing the same thing:
A. Because they're not the same person. Chloe was always depicted as the smart, sorta geeky sidekick that was bound to fall and be crushed by the leading man.
B. There is a strong attraction between Lois Lane & Clark Kent.
C. Lois is getting swallowed up by her feelings because they started to hit her so fast. She will not be pining away when she gets back. When she first realizes them, she tries to let them known, but her attempts get squashed by Lana. So, she takes a break and let's him decide on his own whether or not he likes her (by choice) and to get a hold of herself.
D. Lois isn't pining over someone she has no chance with and hasn't been told as much a million times already. Chloe kinda had to told by Clark "Just friends" over and over again.

[Mickey_Bickey]

We again had another character (Lana) Telling Clark what things were - not meant to be - instead of Clark coming to that decision ON HIS OWN.

I hope that changes.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!;)

[davidbrenton]

what i find hilarious is, since late season 7 we've seen steady clois development yet it gets a blind eye. It was not the kind straight forward, "I love you and i like it" development, its actually more realstic than that, its the kind where someone feels something, it scares them and they try to deny or hide it, and its all given a complete blind eye by some because they really dont want it to be happening so they just "dont see it". And then later, after all this denial from the characters when the feelings are said out loud by them..its then "LIGHTSWITCH! LIGHSWITCH" its NOT imo

Also how can you say its one sided? Since committed Clark has known he has feelings for Lois and by Bride they are bubbling to the surface you see it on his face in almost every clois scene, HE was the one that made the almost kiss happen, he looked at her lips and Lois thought "he wants me" and so she decided to kiss him. Then later we get her "for one moment i felt like someone needed me"

but again, I love how that little moment in Committed where the elevator doors closed on a clark so stunned by his answer to the question "do you love lois?" is SO overlooked, it was right in our faces, clark realized something about Lois Lane and ever since that moment he has been battling with his feelings. Just like when Lois realized she had feelings for clark way back in Apocalypse. It crept up on Lois and it crept up on clark...just took a bit longer to happen.

to tell you where it all started? where it actually changed from anvils to real time development?, it was Siren. we get from lois: "why settle for hot ruich and famous when i can hang out with you" and clark looks at her, smiles then thinks..."wait a second and then we get some interesting musical chords played here, as sort of "ohh whats this? and so it starts" kind of music.

I agree. There has been a slow, strong, steady development of this ever since her appearance on the show (When she saw him naked, and fought attraction). The fact the her feelings are hitting her kind of suddenly and she's unable to suppress it is realistic. I mean, how slow do you people want this relationship to go? We are in the tail end of Smallville people. There are 2 hour movies where love is found all the time and I don't here people complaning. "OMG, they knew each other two days and now their in love, that's so unrealistic."

[LovelyLoisLane]

I was watching with my friend Sophia who is normally apathetic but she stood up from the sofa when they almost kissed to scream at Clark "Kiss her you fool! Before Lana shows up!" I was so busy laughing that I almost didn't notice Lana and then of course, I did notice. But it was expected and I'm glad they are drawing it out.

I will be very interested to see what happens between Clark and Lana during the last episode between them and then in the following one when Lois makes her return.

I'm pretty sure I called it that she's going to pull a one-eighty and put up those emotional walls that DCU!Lois is almost infamous for. I look forward to it and the Lolliepopper in me was very happy that Oliver showed up and leant a crying shoulder, but of course Lois wasn't in tears, just waxing emotional.

But as Fall Out Boy would say 'The Best Of Us Can Find Happiness In Misery.' and I did because I loved this episode, even the Lana parts and I'm definitely going to keep watching.

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Easy. Because she's not.

Very well played HG. ;)

Yes, indeed she is not. Because this is Lois Lane, she accepts what she thinks is inevitable, has a good sniffle and decides she's leaving dodge for awhile to clear her head. I fully expect when she gets back she'll have regained the infamous tough-as-nails Lois we are used to seeing and it'll leave Clark feeling perplexed. She won't write him love letters, she won't try to bring the subject of her feelings up because of the expectation that it is one sided. Which I don't believe it is, but Lois does and that is what is important. Clark had to be under threat of death for Lois to even admit them, and add to that her mind set now . . . she won't be bringing it up. I'm actually surprised that she talked about it with Oliver, glad but surprised, but looking back I think it was because she was vulnerable right then. Had Oliver spoken with her the next day I think Lois would have already bottled it all up.

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see now, I know he didnt stop her but did you see his face when she walked out the door?

was exactly this: :(

to nervous to speak up but he wants her in his life..

Or he was sad for the whole Doomsday situation, coming on the heels of Lois' 'Why do these horrible things keep happening?!' but confused about what was going on between him and Lois? I think in SV that Lois is written similarly to her other counter parts in that she frequently perplexes Clark which is one of those things that makes her interesting.

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I was disappointed.

Lois doesn't get all worked up over a guy. She sucks it up and hides her feelings.

Other than that, they were okay.

I think this is set-up for Lois to get to that stage we are used to. She'll feel like it just isn't worth it after that, throw herself into her work . . . until a certain superhero swoops in. But that is a while down the road I think.

[Mickey_Bickey]

what i find hilarious is, since late season 7 we've seen steady clois development yet it gets a blind eye. It was not the kind straight forward, "I love you and i like it" development, its actually more realstic than that, its the kind where someone feels something, it scares them and they try to deny or hide it, and its all given a complete blind eye by some because they really dont want it to be happening so they just "dont see it". And then later, after all this denial from the characters when the feelings are said out loud by them..its then "LIGHTSWITCH! LIGHSWITCH" its NOT imo

Also how can you say its one sided? Since committed Clark has known he has feelings for Lois and by Bride they are bubbling to the surface you see it on his face in almost every clois scene, HE was the one that made the almost kiss happen, he looked at her lips and Lois thought "he wants me" and so she decided to kiss him. Then later we get her "for one moment i felt like someone needed me"

but again, I love how that little moment in Committed where the elevator doors closed on a clark so stunned by his answer to the question "do you love lois?" is SO overlooked, it was right in our faces, clark realized something about Lois Lane and ever since that moment he has been battling with his feelings. Just like when Lois realized she had feelings for clark way back in Apocalypse. It crept up on Lois and it crept up on clark...just took a bit longer to happen.

to tell you where it all started? where it actually changed from anvils to real time development?, it was Siren. we get from lois: "why settle for hot ruich and famous when i can hang out with you" and clark looks at her, smiles then thinks..."wait a second" and then we get some interesting musical chords played here, as sort of "ohh whats this? and so it starts" kind of music.

Great perspective! When did the elevator door close on Clark? I remember that episode, but I don't remember this part. Is it when she walks away saying "who knows where we'd be if you had answered that question".

I just wish that he glanced at her at the VERY LEAST after Lana walked in!! Poor Lois!! She's going to come back a lot stronger. Look out!!

I completely agree that he INVITED the kiss!! He's clearly looked down and up at her moving slightly closer then at her lips!! The acting was wonderful on both their parts. This was one of the best scenes I've ever seen between them. I just wish that Lana didn't interrupt it, but I can only hope that something better happens in the near future!

Loved the ending scene with her walking away with that song playing!! It looked like Clark was confused and perhaps revisiting how he really feels about her!;)

[Fallen One]

Oh boy, I should have posted here sooner if I knew what was being said.

Darkone thanks for the comedy. Clana a mature relationship. Good one. She's come back with yet another secret that she'll hide from him. Really mature. They've never trusted each other, they never will trust each other. And nothing I saw last night led me to believe that neither Clark or Lana wanted back in a relationship. Although this may change in later episodes for Lana.

Lois saw Clark looking at Lana after the almost-kiss and mistook that for Clark being glad to see her. We the audience saw Clark with a stern look on his face. Chloe was the only one with smiles on her face. The first words out of his mouth to Lana in the loft was "Chloe is happy to see you, however I would have liked some warning". That would be a burn.

Lois then sees Clark grab Lana's shoulders in the hospital room and, thinking this was a romantic moment, she doesn't disturb them. We the audience saw that he grabbed her shoulders when he heard her grunt in pain, let go of her, and after they had said their piece about finding Chloe Clark left her in the room, finding Lois in the hallway.

This was all about creating a misunderstanding. To create drama when there isn't really any to begin. Clark doesn't want to get back with Lana, Clark wants to get with Lois. But Lois isn't 100% sure of that yet. It'll be up to Clark to convince her when she gets back.

And he WILL convince her.

Lois will stay with Jimmy because somebody has to, and for the moment it stalls things between she and Clark. But make no mistake darkone, or whoever else is in here trying to act like Clana is making a comeback or that Clois isn't legit.. Clois is THE relationship of the season. Chimmy will be annualled, Clana won't sniff a return, but Clois will go on for the entire season.

Oh and Miks, pining is a trait reserved for lets just say "other" characters. That is a trait that Lois never had or never will have. Pining is inncessively wanting someone/something and then whining about it when you get it. In order words, laying a guilt trip on that person/thing because you can't have him/her. Lois would never do that, nor will she run to betray him because of her hurt feelings. Lois will wait, bury herself in her work, and when Clark is ready he'll come to her. Lois isn't going to chase after Clark, the ball is in Clark's court. And she won't guilt him, she'd sooner hide her feelings than do that.

Lois is the most mature woman Clark has ever met, and that is why they work. This is just stalling the evitable, and all of you know it. Thats why I smile.

I'll be back in a little bit to post (or repost) my thoughts on specific Clois scenes. The Clois in this episode was electric and off the charts. The only time Clark Kent looked at another woman like he looked at Lois in the cufflinks scene is when he is on redK. But he needed no redK for this episode because he is falling for Lois in a way he never has with another woman.

[kyl-el]

Now don't get me wrong, I really liked the Clois scenes and I thought that the acting in them by both Tom and Erica was superb. Heck they even went into detail about how suddenly Lois's feelings for Clark are developing, which was also good. But I still feel that its moving too quickly to feel genuine. Especially from Clark's point of view. I mean up until Clois was dancing and almost kissed we really couldn't tell that Clark has any feelings for her. On numerous occasions we've been shown Lois moving towards Clark, but he's been mostly stationary. Anyone else with me on this?

[JAMHEXXX]

Now don't get me wrong, I really liked the Clois scenes and I thought that the acting in them by both Tom and Erica was superb. Heck they even went into detail about how suddenly Lois's feelings for Clark are developing, which was also good. But I still feel that its moving too quickly to feel genuine. Especially from Clark's point of view. I mean up until Clois was dancing and almost kissed we really couldn't tell that Clark has any feelings for her. On numerous occasions we've been shown Lois moving towards Clark, but he's been mostly stationary. Anyone else with me on this?

no

[davidbrenton]

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a poll, right?

Please. This show has taken the akingly slow approach before and we all know how that goes. There was steady, slow buildup to this in each of the four seasons leading up to this.

As Lois stated, her feelings are just bubbling up to a point where she can't ignore them and she's freaking out. This has probably been the most realistic depiction of love/relationship the shows done.

[x THE CHEETAH x]

Now don't get me wrong, I really liked the Clois scenes and I thought that the acting in them by both Tom and Erica was superb. Heck they even went into detail about how suddenly Lois's feelings for Clark are developing, which was also good. But I still feel that its moving too quickly to feel genuine. Especially from Clark's point of view. I mean up until Clois was dancing and almost kissed we really couldn't tell that Clark has any feelings for her. On numerous occasions we've been shown Lois moving towards Clark, but he's been mostly stationary. Anyone else with me on this?

No...

[costas22]

You do make a good point.While they have built Lois' affection for Clark slowly,Clark's desire to kiss her seemed to come out of nowhere.I think Clark got caught up in the moment.It was a wedding day,he liked how Lois looked and he saw how she looked at him when he read the weeding vows.Not to mention one or two instances in previous episodes when he must have felt something was up with Lois.The lie detector scene was one of those nstances.The other instance was the zipper scene.

[thehenry89]

If anything there should be more clois :lol: JK last nights episode had just enough clois to keep me intersted, but not so much that it was patently unbelivable.

[warriorrenegade]

I'm pretty much in agreement with what you're saying. They are moving the relationship along way too fast. My biggest problem is they do have a sort of chemistry and it's noticable. They keep at the rate they're going and these two will hook up by the end of the season. And it's too soon for that to happen. Lois falls for Superman...not Clark.

[davidbrenton]

Also, notice the trend here. there seem to be 5 episode breakthroughs on Lois & Clark this season. Episode five we got "I love you" episode ten we got "Almost Kiss and Lois monologue" Episode 15 we get "Lois return"

I can't wait what they've got in store for episode 20.

[kyl-el]

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a poll, right?

Please. This show has taken the akingly slow approach before and we all know how that goes. There was steady, slow buildup to this in each of the four seasons leading up to this.

As Lois stated, her feelings are just bubbling up to a point where she can't ignore them and she's freaking out. This has probably been the most realistic depiction of love/relationship the shows done.

I think you missed my point. I totally agree that what they've done with Lois has been really good. It just seems that Clark is just expected to move on without us seeing it on screen.

[pizzahead2490]

i agree that clark is taking his time but i dont think that clark magically had feelings for lois last night. the boy had feelings for her a long time before that and he been confused and scared when it comes to that.

[davidbrenton]

I'm pretty much in agreement with what you're saying. They are moving the relationship along way too fast. My biggest problem is they do have a sort of chemistry and it's noticable. They keep at the rate they're going and these two will hook up by the end of the season. And it's too soon for that to happen. Lois falls for Superman...not Clark.

The larger question yet to be determined is do they get another season? If not, there is no time to explore that triangle. If so, that triangle can be set-up and completed next season.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Couldn't come fast enough for me!:rotfl::lol::p;):D

[stenochick]

Guys don't tend to show their hands in the romance department.

Besides, Clark is way more complicated than your average guy. If he crosses the line of friendship with Lois, then he will have to lie more and more as she gets closer and closer to him.

Once he knows that she is the one, then he is faced with the decision of telling her the secret. At that point, he either lives a lie with her, or forces the responsibility (a weight, as Chloe described it) of keeping the secret on her. OR she rejects him and knows the secret.

It's never a win-win for Clark. He is always going to hide his true feelings and be guarded with people, especially in the area of love.

[davidbrenton]

I think you missed my point. I totally agree that what they've done with Lois has been really good. It just seems that Clark is just expected to move on without us seeing it on screen.

I agree that Clark's side of the equation has not been explored. We need to see his progression and "thoughts" now. To suddenly have the a couple at THIS POINT is forced. We do need Clark's "process" revealed, understood, and highlighted.

But, I very much like the pace of what there doing. They are 50% there. (Or 33% if we add next season and include Superman triangle)

[DontCha]

again..too fast?

Nope, Im not sure if I was watching the same episode as you but the way it was left was clois can wait until clana is cleared up..

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I think you missed my point. I totally agree that what they've done with Lois has been really good. It just seems that Clark is just expected to move on without us seeing it on screen.


Women realize who they need when that person is around them. Men realize who they need when that person is not there.

[theotherJane]

Clark doesn't want to get back with Lana, Clark wants to get with Lois.

I agree with the Lana part, but I'm not 100% convinced on the Lois part.

[Guidron]

They've definitely highlighted more on Lois' feelings being expressed. However I think they've done a very good job of showing Clark's in a subtle way. He's being the typical male and refusing to speak openly about it. However you can see with his expressions and his actions that he definitely feels something for her. (How could you not??)

His discussion with Kara revealed them a little bit, but they've now set up Oliver to be an excellent catalyst for this. Oliver knows how Lois feels, and even though they haven't discussed it openly, he knows how Clark feels. He's also now the perfect confidante for Clark when he finally does let out his thoughts. I think they'd be smart to use Oliver to help Clark open up about it.

[davidbrenton]

They've definitely highlighted more on Lois' feelings being expressed. However I think they've done a very good job of showing Clark's in a subtle way. He's being the typical male and refusing to speak openly about it. However you can see with his expressions and his actions that he definitely feels something for her. (How could you not??)

His discussion with Kara revealed them a little bit, but they've now set up Oliver to be an excellent catalyst for this. Oliver knows how Lois feels, and even though they haven't discussed it openly, he knows how Clark feels. He's also now the perfect confidante for Clark when he finally does let out his thoughts. I think they'd be smart to use Oliver to help Clark open up about it.

Yes, I am very much looking forward to this. The Oliver scene reassures me that there will be Clois movement in her absence.

[SnowBird]

Thanks Cedric. I think you are right on the mark. It is odd how we can all look at the same episode and see it in a different way. I was thinking last night after seeing the Lois and Clark dance with the almost kiss several times that it was not Lana that interrupted the kiss but it was Chloe greeting Lana. I think Lana was in the shaddows watching Clark and Lois and wasn't going to enter the room just yet. I think the first real kiss, where they both know what they are doing, will be special and worth the wait.

[REebee52]

I didn't really think so until Bride. It really crammed it down our throats.

[claudiss]

Now don't get me wrong, I really liked the Clois scenes and I thought that the acting in them by both Tom and Erica was superb. Heck they even went into detail about how suddenly Lois's feelings for Clark are developing, which was also good. But I still feel that its moving too quickly to feel genuine. Especially from Clark's point of view. I mean up until Clois was dancing and almost kissed we really couldn't tell that Clark has any feelings for her. On numerous occasions we've been shown Lois moving towards Clark, but he's been mostly stationary. Anyone else with me on this?

Yes, I totally agree with you.

[velocity]

I Agree.

The development between them has been great.. but as I've said in other threads - the almost kiss came a little soon.

[SupesComicFan]

Cedric, your post is made of awesomesauce. Clark wants Lois, he just has to realize it. Everyone else (on the show) knows. I think he still thinks he loves Lana because he has loved her for so long. I think that "kiss" in Bulletproof will be empty for Clark, and that will surprise him.

[Iluvgreen]

They were so cute. Clark is so mean though! Why did he have to read Jimmy's vows? grrr.

[DontCha]

Or he was sad for the whole Doomsday situation, coming on the heels of Lois' 'Why do these horrible things keep happening?!' but confused about what was going on between him and Lois? I think in SV that Lois is written similarly to her other counter parts in that she frequently perplexes Clark which is one of those things that makes her interesting.

Im not sure but all I saw, the moment she left his life was a look of need. He needs her he just has to realize it, With men its when the person is out of their life that they realize just how much they need them, with women its the opposite.

[melissan02]

Cedric, your post is made of awesomesauce. Clark wants Lois, he just has to realize it. Everyone else (on the show) knows. I think he still thinks he loves Lana because he has loved her for so long. I think that "kiss" in Bulletproof will be empty for Clark, and that will surprise him.

Thing is though...Lana has another agenda right now and darker motives. Something is up because she was texting someone ya know!:confused:
Clark and Lana are NOT going to revisit any kind of relationship...what, with Chloe being taken away, Jimmy's life on the line, and Doomy around...nope, Clark has his hands full right now. Also, it appears Lana realizes that she and Clark are NOT meant to be...she won't let things progress/go where they shouldn't.

CLOIS is the relationship of the season. I'm more convinced of that than ever.

[Isabel14]

I LOVED Clois scenes in this episode.There were so many scenes that my head went crazy and now I just sit and try to realize what they mean. I'm still not sure if Clark really loves Lois, cause from some actions you see that he madly loves her, but from others actions I don't think he loves her so much. I DO think that he loves her, it's just that he doesn't realized that. I think that this will be thrown like a bomb to him.

[melissan02]

They were so cute. Clark is so mean though! Why did he have to read Jimmy's vows? grrr.

I think he's a doofus for doing that...not realizing what he was doing until he saw Lois' reaction. Then, I think it bothered him that he might have hurt her.

Like Lois' said...he IS that "bumbling tadpole" ya know!:lol::lol:

[Guidron]

With men its when the person is out of their life that they realize just how much they need them, with women its the opposite.

This is SOO true.

The scenes tonight were just fantastic. I actually don't even really know where to begin. Cedric, you hit everything pretty much dead on so for now I'm just going to leave it with Fantastic!

[pbody]

Absolutely right! I agree 100%. You put so well. Thanks.

[Kalista]

That is a trait that Lois never had or never will have. Pining is inncessively wanting someone/something and then whining about it when you get it. In order words, laying a guilt trip on that person/thing because you can't have him/her.

It's funny that you are comparing the actions of a teenager to a grown woman. She's not pining, yet she practically climaxes while fondling his suit? Also, her knee-jerk reaction to Lana walking in was to grab a bottle (not a glass of wine, a bottle) of wine and drown in her self pity (a grown woman). Right, she's not pining and she is handling her feelings so well. LOL

[melissan02]

It's funny that you are comparing the actions of a teenager to a grown woman. She's not pining, yet she practically climaxes while fondling his suit? Also, her knee-jerk reaction to Lana walking in was to grab a bottle (not a glass of wine, a bottle) of wine and drown in her self pity (a grown woman). Right, she's not pining and she is handling her feelings so well. LOL

Well, it was more mature than any way Lana ever reacted when dealing w/ or over Clark! :rolleyes: Just you wait until Lois returns! The man of steel will face the woman with the walls of steel around her heart!
Clark's gonna have his work cut out for him. Lois will get her game on!!!;)

[LovelyLoisLane]

I don't think Clark is a doofus or a jack@ss or anything like that, and I say that coming from a place where Lois Lane is still my favorite character.

I genuinely like Clark this season and feel he is much more matured and has his priorities in order most of the time, not all but then . . . who does? Not even Superman gets it right everytime and make no mistake this is the season of Superman.

I am a strong hard-@ss of a woman and as such can really get on board with strong characters like Lois and understand completely how they HATE being vulnerable, I hate it too and will do anything to keep myself in a position of power in so far as 'feelings' go. But I've also been there, to that place where your feelings for someone convince you that you can trust them to not spit on your gift of letting them in, of seeing the vulnerable that is normally something known only to you. And then, you're wrong. The timing was off, or even worse it was the wrong person and you are left feeling horrible. Normal women I'm sure are equally hurt when they find themselves in a position of having feelings for someone that doesn't share them, but for us alpha females it is even worse, because we feel like the biggest chump in the world. We gave up our emotional superiority for nothing and came away with less than we started with.

That's when you harden yourself even more than you were before and I understand that too. But unlike myself, I have a pretty good idea what Lois' future holds, and that Clark isn't 'the wrong guy' I just think it was the 'wrong time' and I'm alright with that. I look forward to seeing Lois "get her groove back" so to speak and watching as it confuses Clark and he starts to learn that he'll never totally understand Lois but he's endeared to her anyway.

I'm not a SVClois shipper but I have been warming to it this season, and I AM a DCUSuperClois shipper, so I actually have a pretty good buzz going for this episode.

I think that Clark isn't totally over Lana and she isn't totally over him and I can level with that. The way she broke up with him probably had something to do with it. But even if it HAD been face to face, getting over someone that you entertained was 'the one' is very, very hard and it takes a while. I do think that Clark has some feelings for Lois. I'm pretty sure that he doesn't realise to what extent they reach but I saw something during that moment on the stairs. Kudos also to Tom Welling for being able to express so much without saying anything. He's really grown as an actor and because of that I could see more than male appreciation for a foxy looking female, but not-so-platonic feelings bubbling under the surface.

I have faith in him and the writers to put a decent end to Clana, to develop Clois well and to keep Clark on the Superman track that he's been on for this season. I'm very excited and while I'm a die hard SVLois fan and half in love with Erica Durance, I can deal with her being gone because I think it'll be really good storytelling and it makes me look forward to her return that much more.

So great episode tonight, I was very pleased and entertained and I thought the Clois moments were very nice.

[theotherJane]

It's funny that you are comparing the actions of a teenager to a grown woman. She's not pining, yet she practically climaxes while fondling his suit? Also, her knee-jerk reaction to Lana walking in was to grab a bottle (not a glass of wine, a bottle) of wine and drown in her self pity (a grown woman). Right, she's not pining and she is handling her feelings so well. LOL


It's not like she was drowing her sorrows away the whole night long. After the Doomsday fiasco, she was mature enough to collect her thoughts, tuck her feelings for Clark away and worry about more important issues at hand, like taking care of her cousin's husband. She was also mature enough to give Clark and Lana the space they needed. If anything, she didn't just act like a grown woman, but a very mature, grown woman.

[geminis]

Cedric: If you were a horse I would bet on you every time because you're always light years ahead and in the money.

Lois is an adult woman who has admitted difficulty handling her feelings. There is nothing wrong with adult people having sexual feelings for a member of the opposite sex who is unattached and there is nothing wrong with having alcohol either. Both are legal. Both can be crutches but Lois is adult enough that she can stand on her own two feet. If the person walking by had a tray with glasses instead of bottles, Lois would have grabbed that instead. And when Oliver came to talk to her, she chose to put the bottle down. A real alcoholic would have kept on drinking. Also, instead of pining, she chooses to stand up for her new family member, Jimmy, since Chloe can't and she maturely allows Clark to come to his own decision about his feelings for her. Yep, sounds adult to me.

If I have been one of those who have previously bashed Clark, I hereby apologize. Here's hoping that next year, though, he gets a clue and sees what has been staring him in the face all this time. The way they've been playing it, Clark WILL be chasing Lois and Lois (with reason) will have those walls up for Clark but she'll be all over Superman. Now how more mythic can you get?!

One last thought: it went down exactly as predicted. There was a squee heard round the world followed by tons of cursing. I'm going to be soooo glad for Valentine's Day.

[SteveS]

She has her vices which she overcomes. I think it makes her human and will show her strength in the long run.

This is still young lois lane. And a picture of perfection would not an interesting character make.

Smallville has NOT shown lois as having overcome her vice of using alcohol as a crutch for her personal life failures, nor has it shown her as having learned to think before she speaks, nor has it shown her to be other than over-bearing over other people, or to overcome her seeking out conflict as when she attacked the videographer.

She has a lot to overcome before she will ever be worthy of a super man. T&A and sexual quips are not good enough. However, give her 50 years and she can be improved and upgraded.:)

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Oh boy, I should have posted here sooner if I knew what was being said.

Darkone thanks for the comedy. Clana a mature relationship. Good one. She's come back with yet another secret that she'll hide from him. Really mature. They've never trusted each other, they never will trust each other. And nothing I saw last night led me to believe that neither Clark or Lana wanted back in a relationship. Although this may change in later episodes for Lana.

Lois saw Clark looking at Lana after the almost-kiss and mistook that for Clark being glad to see her. We the audience saw Clark with a stern look on his face. Chloe was the only one with smiles on her face. The first words out of his mouth to Lana in the loft was "Chloe is happy to see you, however I would have liked some warning". That would be a burn.

Lois then sees Clark grab Lana's shoulders in the hospital room and, thinking this was a romantic moment, she doesn't disturb them. We the audience saw that he grabbed her shoulders when he heard her grunt in pain, let go of her, and after they had said their piece about finding Chloe Clark left her in the room, finding Lois in the hallway.

This was all about creating a misunderstanding. To create drama when there isn't really any to begin. Clark doesn't want to get back with Lana, Clark wants to get with Lois. But Lois isn't 100% sure of that yet. It'll be up to Clark to convince her when she gets back.

And he WILL convince her.

Lois will stay with Jimmy because somebody has to, and for the moment it stalls things between she and Clark. But make no mistake darkone, or whoever else is in here trying to act like Clana is making a comeback or that Clois isn't legit.. Clois is THE relationship of the season. Chimmy will be annualled, Clana won't sniff a return, but Clois will go on for the entire season.

Oh and Miks, pining is a trait reserved for lets just say "other" characters. That is a trait that Lois never had or never will have. Pining is inncessively wanting someone/something and then whining about it when you get it. In order words, laying a guilt trip on that person/thing because you can't have him/her. Lois would never do that, nor will she run to betray him because of her hurt feelings. Lois will wait, bury herself in her work, and when Clark is ready he'll come to her. Lois isn't going to chase after Clark, the ball is in Clark's court. And she won't guilt him, she'd sooner hide her feelings than do that.

Lois is the most mature woman Clark has ever met, and that is why they work. This is just stalling the evitable, and all of you know it. Thats why I smile.

I'll be back in a little bit to post (or repost) my thoughts on specific Clois scenes. The Clois in this episode was electric and off the charts. The only time Clark Kent looked at another woman like he looked at Lois in the cufflinks scene is when he is on redK. But he needed no redK for this episode because he is falling for Lois in a way he never has with another woman.

Great post Cedric. I love reading your comments. Clois will be back:)
I think its really mature of Lois to leave Clana alone, unlike a certain someone who just hung around hoping and moping.
She is the only woman that also wants what is best for Clark, hence her conversation with Oliver, about 'someone needing her'. Sometimes, no matter how strong a woman is, there are certain moments you just cant hide it. I truly understand where Lois is coming from.

I also understand where Clark is coming from. Clana was around for 7YEARS, NOT 1,2..7 YEARS. That is a long time for anyone. Clark needs to come face to face with Clana and I'm sure in no time, he will realise what is in his heart, truly. He didnt seem upset or mopey around her, which is a positive sign.

I am happy with the way things are going. Like Oliver said, there is letting go in theory and then letting go for real. Clark needs to figure this out on his own, and I hope he does it with no outside influences:)

[curiosity]

I thought the music where Lois and Clark danced could have been better.

(highlight for spoiler) I hate that Lois won't be in the next four episodes.

That's a lot, considering we have to wait 2 months for more Smallville.

(highlight for spoiler) it's almost 3 months for Lois.

And then how much show will be left?

We don't even know if there's going to be a season 9.

I hate that Lana came back and interupted. It would have been ok if...the spoilers above weren't true. When is OVER going to be over? She's just too serious, and too much drama. And the whole thing where she's trying to find Lex or protect Clark is crazy. She should have been moving on with her own life. I hope Lois will be there the rest of the season when she comes back.

[eas]

A bit of a mixed bag for me.

I thought this was a very "heart on her sleeve" episode for Lois (and ED was very good), and I also liked that we really got a chance to hear whats going on with Lois when she verbalized her feelings to Oliver.

And so, I felt a lot more coming from Lois here. Not completely one-sided, but no real sense of balance either.

Whereas with Clark, I'm still not entirely sure where he's coming from in regards to Lois. Does he like her? Without a doubt. But to what degree, I don't think I can tell yet. Is he attracted to her? Also without a doubt.

I thought the cufflink scene was very cute, as was the recorded message scene. And I liked him grabbing her arm, and them dancing. But frankly, while Clark's reaction to Lana arriving was expected (and dreaded), I thought it very OOC for him to just completely shrug off a near kiss. And that put a big damper on the near kiss for me.

I think I know what PS3 are going for here, as far as Clark's feelings being more confused and muddled, while Lois' are already clearly defined. And I've never minded Lois falling for Clark first. But I do think there's a lot of potential here for disaster if TPTB insist on Clark's feelings towards Lois being so ambigious, and this episode seems to make it obvious that they are going to dredge up Clana again to some extent.

I don't know. I'm interested, but concerned. IMO

I completely agree with your opinion.

This episode was very hard for me to watch. As a Lois Lane fan and a Clark Kent fan... I felt that they went way too far with showing Lois's feelings - especially when they were going to make Clark's side so ambigious. It just sets up Lois for heartbreak and I find that reprehensible to her character.

Also, I felt that both Lois and Clark were acting OOC. It was OOC for Lois to be stroking Clark's rented tux. It was OOC for Clark to nearly kiss Lois & then not even talk to her until they bump into each other at the hospital.

The direction in the final moments was terrible. Lois was supposed to be there when Doomsday arrives (she's in the vid introducing the newlyweds right before they cut the cake) and, yet, there was no footage of Lois when the attack happens. Clark is only concerned for Lana (doesn't bode well for Clark's priorties in the upcoming episodes) and Oliver doesn't even mention Lois when he comes skidding to a halt to inform them that Chloe is gone.

Now, this can all be easily fan-wanked.... Oliver made Lois stay-put when stuff happened... Lois was helping people evacuate... etc. But the shoddy editting and direction shouldn't have left this up to fanwank when the director/writer made such an effort to show the depth of Lois's feelings for Clark and his attraction to her leading up to the near kiss. It was like, "Focus on Lois... focus on Lois... focus on Lois... oh, now, Lana walks in... focus on Lana... focus on Lana... focus on Lana....".

I went on a vent/rant a week or so ago, when the news broke that Lois was missing from all of Lana's arc. And this was what my fears were.... that Lois would be completely shafted in favor of Lana; the two girls are interchangable as LIs for Clark... replace one LL for the other and it's all the same; Clark would regress when Lana arrived and start blaming himself and his identity for the failures in their relationship; and Clark would focus on Lana to the exclusion of others... hurting those who love him.

And all my fears were pretty realized in this episode.

This wasn't the greatest episode for Lois. She ended up looking like a schmuck. And it wasn't all that great of an episode for Clark, either. For the umpteenth time, I watched him excuse Lana's behaviour - saying that it would have been them getting married if his secret hadn't gotten in the way. Why? Not because he kept it from her, but rather because it exists... he actually still believes that if Lana didn't know he was from Krypton, then they'd live happily ever after. How can he feel that a woman is his ideal woman and then, simultanteously, believe that she doesn't even like or respect who he is at the core?

For her part, Lana was pretty cool. I didn't mind Lana's role in the story and I felt that she had some pretty good lines. She seems pretty resolved about their relationship being over and has seemed to move on.

Let's see, though, how it all goes down during her arc.

The positives in the Clois were:

- The checking out each other scene. Nice UST.
- The way he grabs her hand and forces her to dance with him and the lead up to the almost kiss.
- The final scene when she walks away.

[geminis]

Yet again, Lois is an adult, alcohol is legal. It may be a vice, it may be a crutch; Lois may take it up, but she also puts it back down. That one little scene of her in drinking contest in college was a challenge, something Lois doesn't back down from. ONE little incident like that can get you kicked out of college, I know people who had that happen to them but they didn't let that one personal life failure stop them. Lois won't either.

One of the reasons why Lois is such a good investigative reporter for a newspaper is one of the reasons why she would never make a good tv reporter: precisely because she hasn't and might never learn to think before she speaks. Her overbearing personality, quick intelligence, mouthiness, and tendency to confront people ingrained in her by her military upbringing and lack of experience or proper role models as allowed by her absentee militant father would also explain why she will not have a personal life failure in her Pulitzer prize winning work as an investigative journalist.

There's a lot more than sexual quips and T & A involved if you ask me. Clark has been slow to understanding, but he'll get it, and in much less than 50 years. People have told him face to face but he and Lois are the ones who matter. When he does finally admit it next year (or the year after if there is a season 9), Lois will have those barricades up, but Clark will tear them down.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I kinda liked how when Lois wanted to leave Clark stopped her and convinced her to dance.

[Timester]

Hey boo;):lol:

Dont be so negative, AlMIles really did a number on you didnt they?? This guys are diferent and in this episode it was evident to me. They are actually doing what Ive always asked for, to make it very clear that Lois is not a second option. Sure Clark´s going to flake when Lana comes back, specially without a warning, after she left like that, everyone needs closure and Clark never got it, he needs it, its normal, he didnt forget about Lois, the scene in the hospital showed it. Of course he´ll be confused and he´ll probably want to atempt something with Lana but he´ll realize its more about him than about them being good together, once he realizes that, he´ll be home free. Whether he goes to Lois after that or not, that´s a nother story.THE guy.

ITA.

It's obvious what PS3 are doing here. They are building up the iconic Lois barriers and reverse Lois & Clark positions to what is iconic. When Lois comes back, I bet that Clark will be the one after her and Lois trying to avoid another heartbreak.

This time is not "All... About... Lana...", she is actually a mear stone between Lois & Clark. Heck, even PS3 explicited said it when Lana said "Clark Kent and Lana Lang are not meant to be."

[davidbrenton]

ITA.

It's obvious what PS3 are doing here. They are building up the iconic Lois barriers and reverse Lois & Clark positions to what is iconic. When Lois comes back, I bet that Clark will be the one after her and Lois trying to avoid another heartbreak.

This time is not "All... About... Lana...", she is actually a mear stone between Lois & Clark. Heck, even PS3 explicited said it when Lana said "Clark Kent and Lana Lang are not meant to be."

After ep 10, I do have faith this is the plan. They planted the seed with Oliver being on Lois' side and he'll obviously have those talks with him potentially in Power and/or Requiem most likely. Thus, setting the stage for the iconic set-up you described.

[geminis]

After ep 10, I do have faith this is the plan. They planted the seed with Oliver being on Lois' side and he'll obviously have those talks with him potentially in Power and/or Requiem most likely. Thus, setting the stage for the iconic set-up you described.

Same here. And when Jimmy comes back he'll also be rooting for Lois and Clark together.
And, since they all work together, Clark will have Jimmy on his side too. Lois won't stand a chance.

[eas]

ITA.

It's obvious what PS3 are doing here. They are building up the iconic Lois barriers and reverse Lois & Clark positions to what is iconic. When Lois comes back, I bet that Clark will be the one after her and Lois trying to avoid another heartbreak.

This time is not "All... About... Lana...", she is actually a mear stone between Lois & Clark. Heck, even PS3 explicited said it when Lana said "Clark Kent and Lana Lang are not meant to be."

That is the only thing keeping me going, at this point.

The only silver lining will be that Lois comes back as the typical "no nonsense, you've got no chance in hell, Smallville" Lois and Clark chases after her.

I guess if you throw in a few heart-to-hearts between Lois and the resident red/blue superblur, then we've got our "triangle for two".

But does it have to hurt so damn much to get there???

[SupesComicFan]

I think it does have to hurt to get there. Unfortunately.

[eas]

Yes, all of a sudden it is a soap again. Except, I enjoyed it slightly more because of Lois, but yes. Lana came back, and it's a soap.

Plus, it took her like 5 minutes to end up in the hospital.

Yeah, I know. The thing I found hilarious is that pop music began as soon as she had her first scene. We haven't had that all season (more that likely because of budget reasons) and the first KK ep back, it's the return of the pop soundtrack!!

It's like the writers don't even know how to write a Clana scene without a pop ballad in the background to up the teenage angst quota.

[myankskent]

Yeah, I know. The thing I found hilarious is that pop music began as soon as she had her first scene. We haven't had that all season (more that likely because of budget reasons) and the first KK ep back, it's the return of the pop soundtrack!!

It's like the writers don't even know how to write a Clana scene without a pop ballad in the background to up the teenage angst quota.

They'll probably break out Lifehouse in each of the next four episodes.

[SupesComicFan]

I have an answer as to why Lois wasn't there during the cake cut.

When she was announcing them, it was at the BEGINNING of the reception, not the cake cut. There is a "blip" where the tape has been corrupted (similar to the blip of Chloe talking to JImmy and then Doomy carrying her away).
Lois was not in the barn for the cake cutting.

[eas]

I guess I'm not watching the same show as you. I watch Smallville on the CW, and they've showed or mentioned Lois Lane and drinking alcohol three times I believe. How is that a near alcoholic? It's fine that you think Lois Lane on Smallville is the worst depiction of the iconic character, but untrue statements don't have to be used to support the argument. You are free to hate her as much as you like, for whatever reasons you like, but you did say something that just wasn't true and used that as a reason why you dislike her.

I can't believe we're having the alcohol conversation again (:rolleyes:) but I'll add in another point for anyone who thinks it's out of line for the writers to show that Lois is having a bad day by having a drink:

Flip over to ABC and watch "Grey's Anatomy" right after this show. EVERY character on that show goes to a local bar to hang out at the end of pretty much every episode... and they ALL drink. Massive amounts of alcohol. I cannot count the number of times they've shown these characters drinking to un-wind after a bad day. And those characters are all SURGEONS, for the love of God. Same with pretty much EVERY show on TV right now... get a load of "Brothers and Sisters" one day... the go through about 10 bottles of wine per episode. It's a running joke.

It's pretty clear that the writers of "SV" show Lois as drinking as a means to show that she's more mature and experienced than the other characters. (In part because she's travelled the world and had more life experiences than them.) They also used this same method for Lex and Lionel. And, now, Oliver.

Lois is in their league... and that's why she is one of the few characters who is shown to be drinking with no hesitation. And that's one of the examples of how she's more mature and experienced than either Chloe or Lana.

And this is coming from a woman who has never had a drop of alcohol in her life... so it's not like I'm not in a position to judge Lois for drinking... but I still don't, because it's a very commonly used plot device in Hollywood.

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They'll probably break out Lifehouse in each of the next four episodes.

Oh, yes, I'm fully expecting it. I'm also thinking that we'll get a return of, "Tonight's Smallville featured music from.... download it from iTunes today!" at the end of the 4 episodes.

They'll use their whole season's soundtrack budget on these 5 episodes alone!! :lol:

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I have an answer as to why Lois wasn't there during the cake cut.

When she was announcing them, it was at the BEGINNING of the reception, not the cake cut. There is a "blip" where the tape has been corrupted (similar to the blip of Chloe talking to JImmy and then Doomy carrying her away).
Lois was not in the barn for the cake cutting.

Hhhmmm.... I'm going to have to re-watch this episode. I still think that a nicely placed, "Where's Lois? Is she OK?" to Oliver wouldn't have been remiss. Or Clark looking at Lois and saying, "Oh my God, are you OK? I was looking for you...." at the hospital.

The writers went out of the way to show how deeply Lois has fallen for Clark. On the flip side, they went out of the way to make Clark's feelings for her as ambigious and subtle as possible.

Imo, they went too far to each extreme with both Lois & Clark and it was to the detriment of the integrity of their future relationship. PS3 are going to have to work overtime to fix this from Clark's end... meaning, he better damn well mention Lois in the next 4 episodes.... even if she's out of sight, she better not be out of mind. Also, he needs to have a talk with someone like the way Lois talked to Ollie. He needs his version of that... the time is gone where it's enough for the series to make us GUESS what's going on in Clark's brain regarding Lois. He needs to stop holding it to chest and speak out.

Who knows? Maybe the final Lana episode will feature the Lollie scene in reverse. Perhaps they planned it so that Lana's arc is book-ended with these two convos: One from Lois to her ex & then one from Clark to his ex. That would be pretty interesting.

[rysamad]

Hated it.

[Kalista]

It's pretty clear that the writers of "SV" show Lois as drinking as a means to show that she's more mature and experienced than the other characters. (In part because she's travelled the world and had more life experiences than them.) They also used this same method for Lex and Lionel. And, now, Oliver.

Lois is in their league... and that's why she is one of the few characters who is shown to be drinking with no hesitation. And that's one of the examples of how she's more mature and experienced than either Chloe or Lana.

If the writers wanted to use alcohol as a way to show the audience her maturity, then they would utilize in casual situations, not when she is under duress. That is not a sign of maturity or responsible behavior. If they want to show us how mature and well traveled she is then they could demonstrate by other means, like analyzing a file before you dismiss it as not being newsworthy. It was Chloe who told her older cousin that dating your boss could sully your reputation and potentially ruin your career. Her cousin's mature response was an unwillingness to splash cold water on her previously non existent love life.

Binge drinking in college is not a sign of maturity though widely accepted as a rite of passage. Nor is drinking while on the clock or getting hammered at your cousin's engagement party a sign of being well traveled and mature.

I'm glad you mentioned Lex and Lionel because they are excellent examples of casual and balanced drinkers. Lex drank on a regular basis and I can only recall maybe two instances where he turned to alcohol to console himself.

The idea that alcohol puts her in the same league as Lionel and Lex is pretty sad.

If that is the writers' intentions, I'm happy that the they choose to use character development as opposed to alcohol to demonstrate the maturity of Lana and Chloe.

[eas]

If the writers wanted to use alcohol as a way to show the audience her maturity, then they would utilize in casual situations, not when she is under duress. That is not a sign of maturity or responsible behavior. If they want to show us how mature and well traveled she is then they could demonstrate by other means, like analyzing a file before you dismiss it as not being newsworthy. It was Chloe who told her older cousin that dating your boss could sully your reputation and potentially ruin your career. Her cousin's mature response was an unwillingness to splash cold water on her previously non existent love life.

Binge drinking in college is not a sign of maturity though widely accepted as a rite of passage. Nor is drinking while on the clock or getting hammered at your cousin's engagement party a sign of being well traveled and mature.

I'm glad you mentioned Lex and Lionel because they are excellent examples of casual drinkers. Lex drank on a regular basis and I can only recall maybe two instances where he turned to alcohol to console himself.

The idea that alcohol puts her in the same league as Lionel and Lex is pretty sad.

If that is the writers' intentions, I'm happy that the they choose to use character development as opposed to alcohol to demonstrate the maturity of Lana and Chloe.

Hey, I didn't say it was a good way to do it. I just said that it was a pretty obvious thing they were doing. And, no, Lex actually did use alcohol as a crutch a lot of the time... much more than Lois ever has.

And, of course, it's your perogative to judge Lois's character for this.... that she has no problem drinking when she feels like it. I don't think that it makes sense, though, to take her rare moments of drinking (when a reason is pretty much given each of the 3 times she's done it) and to take that a step further to indicate that she's an alcoholic. She wasn't drunk when she was talking to Ollie. She was drunk, once, back in college. She faced the ramifications for that -- she wasn't the first college kid to get busted and won't be the last. And she was drunk at Chloe's engagement party - and, again, faced the ramifications for it. Each time, she's owned up to the consequences. That's a mature person... not a chronic alcoholic.

Also, wine was used in Lana's case, as well. There was the imagery of wine being the catalyst of her spell when she was possessed by Isabel & when she was with Lex, they used the scene where she was served wine (Thanksgiving, I believe) and she didn't touch it, because she thought she was pregnant. That was symbolic of her "adult" status and how she wasn't a child, anymore. She was on an equal footing with Lex.

Again, I am a person who never drinks. I never have and I never will... if anyone could judge Lois getting drunk, it would be me. But given the way they've gone about it and how liberally the plot device of "getting drunk" or just drinking, in general, is used on TV shows, I just can't take it as seriously as some folks do.

*shrug*

[myankskent]

I'm glad you mentioned Lex and Lionel because they are excellent examples of casual and balanced drinkers. Lex drank on a regular basis and I can only recall maybe two instances where he turned to alcohol to console himself.


Casual and balanced drinkers or not, Lex got behind the wheel of a car while drunk and played a role in killing Lana in "Reckoning". It doesn't get much worse than that and I can't find a single example of Lois drinking that even comes close to that.

[Kalista]

EAS I don't think she is an alcoholic. But I think it's obvious that the writers tend to associate her with alcohol under less than desirable and unflattering circumstances.

[eas]

Casual and balanced drinkers or not, Lex got behind the wheel of a car while drunk and played a role in killing Lana in "Reckoning". It doesn't get much worse than that and I can't find a single example of Lois drinking that even comes close to that.

He would also fall into rages and once even downed a full glass of scotch and then threw the glass into his fire. There were many instances where he went crazy on a glass of scotch and almost every one his scenes had him with a glass in his hand.

I think that the writers conciously made a decision to show SVLois as one of the few characters who has no problem drinking and there's a reason for it.

Some can see it as a negative thing, but I don't. Especially because, as one of the good guys, she's always owned up to her mistakes & tried to fix them.

This is a direct contrast with others on the show, when they were under the influence.

[geminis]

I can't believe we're having the alcohol conversation again (:rolleyes:) but I'll add in another point for anyone who thinks it's out of line for the writers to show that Lois is having a bad day by having a drink:

Flip over to ABC and watch "Grey's Anatomy" right after this show. EVERY character on that show goes to a local bar to hang out at the end of pretty much every episode... and they ALL drink. Massive amounts of alcohol. I cannot count the number of times they've shown these characters drinking to un-wind after a bad day. And those characters are all SURGEONS, for the love of God. Same with pretty much EVERY show on TV right now... get a load of "Brothers and Sisters" one day... the go through about 10 bottles of wine per episode. It's a running joke.

It's pretty clear that the writers of "SV" show Lois as drinking as a means to show that she's more mature and experienced than the other characters. (In part because she's travelled the world and had more life experiences than them.) They also used this same method for Lex and Lionel. And, now, Oliver.

Lois is in their league... and that's why she is one of the few characters who is shown to be drinking with no hesitation. And that's one of the examples of how she's more mature and experienced than either Chloe or Lana.

And this is coming from a woman who has never had a drop of alcohol in her life... so it's not like I'm not in a position to judge Lois for drinking... but I still don't, because it's a very commonly used plot device in Hollywood.

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Oh, yes, I'm fully expecting it. I'm also thinking that we'll get a return of, "Tonight's Smallville featured music from.... download it from iTunes today!" at the end of the 4 episodes.

They'll use their whole season's soundtrack budget on these 5 episodes alone!! :lol:

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Hhhmmm.... I'm going to have to re-watch this episode. I still think that a nicely placed, "Where's Lois? Is she OK?" to Oliver wouldn't have been remiss. Or Clark looking at Lois and saying, "Oh my God, are you OK? I was looking for you...." at the hospital.

The writers went out of the way to show how deeply Lois has fallen for Clark. On the flip side, they went out of the way to make Clark's feelings for her as ambigious and subtle as possible.

Imo, they went too far to each extreme with both Lois & Clark and it was to the detriment of the integrity of their future relationship. PS3 are going to have to work overtime to fix this from Clark's end... meaning, he better damn well mention Lois in the next 4 episodes.... even if she's out of sight, she better not be out of mind. Also, he needs to have a talk with someone like the way Lois talked to Ollie. He needs his version of that... the time is gone where it's enough for the series to make us GUESS what's going on in Clark's brain regarding Lois. He needs to stop holding it to chest and speak out.

Who knows? Maybe the final Lana episode will feature the Lollie scene in reverse. Perhaps they planned it so that Lana's arc is book-ended with these two convos: One from Lois to her ex & then one from Clark to his ex. That would be pretty interesting.

I also seem to remember underage Lana asking Lex for a bottle of wine to celebrate Chloe's birthday. Granted iirc, it was actually Isobel, but still. Lois is an adult, she feels bad, drinking something to make yourself feel better is something a lot of people do. Unlike you, Sana, I have drunk in the past; never to console myself though so I'm not in a position to judge either but it's ridiculous to condemn someone for such a petty reason because it's not just a common plot device used in Hollywood, it's also a scene that plays out in real life all the time. Lois picked up the bottle but she also put it back down.

I so agree with you about Clark not making a comment about Lois. He also didn't say a word on seeing Chloe in her wedding dress. And what he did say to Lana, brrr. He needed a warning? Wow. I don't know about the extreme, it is more of the same as far as Clark goes. He's showing something but just up to a certain point. Here's hoping the Legion 'accidentally' lets something slip about Lois and then we see that she may be absent, but not forgotten. A Clana discussion of Clois would be terrific. I want to see Lana as understanding as Oliver was with Lois.

So, back on topic. Clois in Bride: as expected it was good and bad both. Good, because they're always going to be good together and bad because they're not going to be together. At least, not yet.

[Loisdragon]

Watch lost come back from Star City with a new man and Clark will be all jealous.

[eas]

I don't think she is an alcoholic. But I think it's obvious that the writers tend to associate her with alcohol under less than desirable and unflattering circumstances.

Well, as a tee-totaler, I don't think there is ANY moment in a person's life where drinking alcohol is desirable or flattering.

Alcohol makes people stupid. I've attended receptions with Nobel prize winners who turned into blathering idiots after a bottle of wine. And, then, they got behind the wheel of a car. And they didn't drink because they were down or anything... they just LOVE good wine and it was free.

Lois? She got drunk at college... happens all the time. Got drunk at her cousin's engagement party and, now, decided to take an edge off of her emotions by drinking at the wedding.

I've been surrounded by tons of people who have a hard day and say, "Man, I really need a drink tonight". Or, "Dude, this is a long week... want to go to happy hour this Friday? I could use a cold beer." Or "I'm doing nothing this weekend, except curling up on the couch with a good book and glass of wine." (And I'm surrounded by Ivy League professors and graduate students all day.)

Alcohol relates to emotions a lot of time and is used to take an edge off & relax. Sometimes, it's imbibed socially. Sometimes, it's a sport for a college kid.

There have been no instances with Lois that I've seen it out of line....honestly. If I did, then I would just - in general - judge anyone who drank in any setting... whether it be social, privately, or just for fun. UNLESS they get behind the wheel of a car. THEN I think they're morons - no matter how many degrees they have from fancy universities.

Since Lois hasn't done that, I don't judge her.

[Kalista]

Casual and balanced drinkers or not, Lex got behind the wheel of a car while drunk and played a role in killing Lana in "Reckoning". It doesn't get much worse than that and I can't find a single example of Lois drinking that even comes close to that.


But irresponsible behavior is irresponsible behavior. Period. Whether or not she nearly killed someone like Lex doesn't matter if she is still experiecing negative consequences in her life resulting for the overuse of alcohol.

It's funny that she assumed that she drove to the Kent farm while under the influence in Committed.

But back on topic: I enjoyed the clois scene when Lana walked in.

[geminis]

EAS I don't think she is an alcoholic. But I think it's obvious that the writers tend to associate her with alcohol under less than desirable and unflattering circumstances.

Less than desirable? Unflattering?

When she was in college, it was obviously a stupid college age challenge type thing. Okay. Less than desirable, unflattering, perhaps. But normal. Lois Lane doesn't back down, especially not from drunken jocks who probably challenged her.

Drinking at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party? Again, less than desirable, unflattering? Why did Chloe and Jimmy have alcohol at their party? They obviously like to drink too or they wouldn't have it. Lois has reservations about their relationship and alcohol, a relaxer, lets her inhibitions and doubts come out.

Drinking at Chloe and Jimmy's wedding reception? Hello, they knew what happened with Lois and alcohol at their other party, but they still are having it at their wedding.

Lois is drinking. At a party. Oh my God, how dare she?! How undesirable, how unflattering.

Memory is a funny thing. It can play tricks on you especially when you are hung over. So she drank. She might have assumed she got behind the wheel, but she didn't.

But yeah, back to Clois: it was good and bad both. Good together and bad apart.

[eas]

But irresponsible behavior is irresponsible behavior. Period. Whether or not she nearly killed someone like Lex doesn't matter if she is still experiecing negative consequences in her life resulting for the overuse of alcohol.

It's funny that she assumed that she drove to the Kent farm while under the influence in Committed.

But back on topic: I enjoyed the clois scene when Lana walked in.



LOL... I like how you put that about the Clois scene/Lana walking in. Good one.

Kalista, don't get me wrong. I see where you are coming from with the drinking. I'm just saying that I decided a long time ago that I wasn't going to judge people for drinking, just because I don't drink. And I haven't seen them go too far with Lois yet (from my POV) so I don't think there's anything wrong.

Yes, she assumed she drove, but I think that had more to do with her just wanting to run out of there... she hadn't paused to think about it (she was late to meet Chloe).

Anyway....I have a question for you, but I guess it's totally off-topic. So, I asked you over at the Chlark thread.

[myankskent]

It's funny that she assumed that she drove to the Kent farm while under the influence in Committed.


What is this supposed to mean, exactly? Since she has never gotten behind the wheel drunk, she's at least a responsible drinker when it comes to that.

[octavia2123]

Watch lois come back from Star City with a new man and Clark will be all jealous.
ha ha only thinkin the same thing myself earlier on 2day u took the thoughts right out of my head

[hyped4lnc]

Oh boy, I should have posted here sooner if I knew what was being said.

Darkone thanks for the comedy. Clana a mature relationship. Good one. She's come back with yet another secret that she'll hide from him. Really mature. They've never trusted each other, they never will trust each other. And nothing I saw last night led me to believe that neither Clark or Lana wanted back in a relationship. Although this may change in later episodes for Lana.

Lois saw Clark looking at Lana after the almost-kiss and mistook that for Clark being glad to see her. We the audience saw Clark with a stern look on his face. Chloe was the only one with smiles on her face. The first words out of his mouth to Lana in the loft was "Chloe is happy to see you, however I would have liked some warning". That would be a burn.

Lois then sees Clark grab Lana's shoulders in the hospital room and, thinking this was a romantic moment, she doesn't disturb them. We the audience saw that he grabbed her shoulders when he heard her grunt in pain, let go of her, and after they had said their piece about finding Chloe Clark left her in the room, finding Lois in the hallway.

This was all about creating a misunderstanding. To create drama when there isn't really any to begin. Clark doesn't want to get back with Lana, Clark wants to get with Lois. But Lois isn't 100% sure of that yet. It'll be up to Clark to convince her when she gets back.

And he WILL convince her.

Lois will stay with Jimmy because somebody has to, and for the moment it stalls things between she and Clark. But make no mistake darkone, or whoever else is in here trying to act like Clana is making a comeback or that Clois isn't legit.. Clois is THE relationship of the season. Chimmy will be annualled, Clana won't sniff a return, but Clois will go on for the entire season.

Oh and Miks, pining is a trait reserved for lets just say "other" characters. That is a trait that Lois never had or never will have. Pining is inncessively wanting someone/something and then whining about it when you get it. In order words, laying a guilt trip on that person/thing because you can't have him/her. Lois would never do that, nor will she run to betray him because of her hurt feelings. Lois will wait, bury herself in her work, and when Clark is ready he'll come to her. Lois isn't going to chase after Clark, the ball is in Clark's court. And she won't guilt him, she'd sooner hide her feelings than do that.

Lois is the most mature woman Clark has ever met, and that is why they work. This is just stalling the evitable, and all of you know it. Thats why I smile.

I'll be back in a little bit to post (or repost) my thoughts on specific Clois scenes. The Clois in this episode was electric and off the charts. The only time Clark Kent looked at another woman like he looked at Lois in the cufflinks scene is when he is on redK. But he needed no redK for this episode because he is falling for Lois in a way he never has with another woman.
Cedric, you never disappoint. You and Annie pretty much summed up my feelings on the matter. :)

[Kalista]

When she was in college, it was obviously a stupid college age challenge type thing. Okay. Less than desirable, unflattering, perhaps. But normal. Lois Lane doesn't back down, especially not from drunken jocks who probably challenged her.

I don't think there is any justification for binge drinking, challenge or no challenge.

Drinking at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party? Again, less than desirable, unflattering? Why did Chloe and Jimmy have alcohol at their party? They obviously like to drink too or they wouldn't have it. Lois has reservations about their relationship and alcohol, a relaxer, lets her inhibitions and doubts come out.

I never said that responsible drinking was wrong or that she was the only character who likes alcohol. Again, there is difference between having a drink and getting drunk. Using alcohol is bad idea because it can lead to addiction, so I don't think it's healthy.

Drinking at Chloe and Jimmy's wedding reception? Hello, they knew what happened with Lois and alcohol at their other party, but they still are having it at their wedding.

Why should Chloiac and Jimmy deprive their guests of alcohol because some may not know how to show restraint?

Lois is drinking. At a party. Oh my God, how dare she?! How undesirable, how unflattering.

Theres's nothing wrong with her having a drink but she runs into problems when she overindulges in alcohol and she is at an age where she should realize that.

college binge drinking =>undesirable consequence of being kicked out of college

getting drunk at engagement party => undesirable consequence of embarrassing herself and Chloe in front of the guests (not to mention vomiting in front of Clark)


Memory is a funny thing. It can play tricks on you especially when you are hung over. So she drank. She might have assumed she got behind the wheel, but she didn't.

But I'm surprised she even thought that she drove instead of thinking that to be unsconscionable.

[SteveS]

Rock on, Kalista

[Mod Edit]

[LoveHurts38]

Rock on, Kalista

And some fans need to learn about the dangers of binge drinking and alcoholism in general; in specific in lois' case and her history of faux pas and making a fool of herself publicly.

Have a drink Steve:p

[dalbajr]

Same here. And when Jimmy comes back he'll also be rooting for Lois and Clark together.
And, since they all work together, Clark will have Jimmy on his side too. Lois won't stand a chance.

I also think that beyond everything else Lois does love Clark very deeply. Also as ED said in her TV Guie interview. Lois will be patient until Clark can love her with his whole heart.
Personally, I hope that something special happens in 8-16 because I think it may be a Valentine's day episode? And also because TW is directing it.

This was a very emotional draining episode for me...
I wanted to give Lois a hug afterward. I was also a little upset at the way Clark acted toward her.

[SteveS]

It's not like she was drowing her sorrows away the whole night long. After the Doomsday fiasco, she was mature enough to collect her thoughts, tuck her feelings for Clark away and worry about more important issues at hand, like taking care of her cousin's husband. She was also mature enough to give Clark and Lana the space they needed. If anything, she didn't just act like a grown woman, but a very mature, grown woman.

Nope, it was Oliver who saved lois ('somebody save me!!!) from swilling the bottle of champagne in her depression over rejection yet once again. It was Oliver who kept the immature lois from boozing which allowed her to have some degree of wit and coherence when Doosmday attack. None of this was done by an intelligent, strong woman thinking on her own, it was the by-product of someone else saving her from herself.

lois= not really strong, not really mature, not really intelligent, but in very good physical shape.

[Deana]

I am interested but, as a person who doesn't believe that they will seriously have a Clois a relationship in Smallville, I am not that interested.

[Jeta]

The real life is problematic and the people is so different... I don't understand the meaning of a TV series where everybody is perfect and they haven't any problems. I think a "hipotetically" problem with alcohol is more interesting (I don't mean I like an alcoholic).

[geminis]

You know, I agree with you about the alcohol, Kalista. Lois isn't perfect. She doesn't always make the right choices. Alcohol is one of those. But Lois isn't the only person who makes that mistake. Lots of people do. She drank at college; she was kicked out. She paid those dues.

She got drunk at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party, she wakes up hungover at the Kent's and has made a fool out of herself. She sees the video afterward and apologizes to Chloe for having hit a new Lo(w). Clark didn't mind taking care of her or bringing her to his place. As for her thinking she might have taken her car, well, yes you are right. It doesn't look good. However, having lived in a small town rural area, oh there are a lot of people who think nothing of getting in their cars after a beer or four, after all, there's nothing but cows and corn. Not saying that is an excuse though. But she also knows that she is with friends who will take care of her, namely Clark. As for her behavior, Chloe accepted Lois' apology and said that it wasn't really that bad.


She has a down moment at the reception and the alcohol is there. Bad choice to grab it but she did put it down. And as I said, Oliver may have made the comment, but she was the one who put the bottle down. Someone with a real problem would have kept on drinking. She's human, not a superwoman. Cut her some slack and forgive me, but I missed the part that said that Lois Lane had to be a saint.

And because I must go back to the topic, the almost kiss that never was. It may have been interrupted, but I still loved it because Clark stepped toward Lois and leaned down for the kiss just as much as Lois stepped up to Clark with her hand on his chest hoping to be kissed.

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Have a drink Steve:p

:rotfl:

[rogueslayer1985]

lois and clark just make me hate the show, i skip their stuff and even watch it on the net instead of the tv so i can skip it

[Timester]

But does it have to hurt so damn much to get there???

I endured far worst with L&C and the comics. :p

[eas]

The real life is problematic and the people is so different... I don't understand the meaning of a TV series where everybody is perfect and they haven't any problems.


I'm going to take it a step further than that. I have an issue with people even saying that she has a problem and implying that alcoholism is a problem that needs to dealt with and Lois's example is an indicator of this.

I cannot imagine how one can justify judging her and also not judging pretty much everyone in America. Within the context of Western civilization, Lois has done NOTHING wrong. This society does not frown on a person getting drunk at a party. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. Nor does it frown on binge drinking.

If it came out that Fareed Zakaria had once - in his college days - been involved in a shot contest; had once gotten plastered at his cousin's engagement party; and once had his heart crushed at a wedding and decided to drink a bit in response there is NO ONE is the Western world that would even bat an eyelash. In fact, I'd be my life that Fareed Zakaria has gotten drunk before and, yet, oh look -- still a very respected jouranalist. Any random New York Times journalist in their 20s? Oh yeah, they're going to parties in New York and have gotten drunk at least once. I gaurantee it.

NO ONE is going to look down on any of these people. And that's why Hollywood gets away with showing people drinking all the time and uses it as a plot device. Because it's entrenched in this culture and society has no issues with it. Again, I use my example... I'm surrounded by renowned academics who get plastered all the time at parties. No one cares.

So my point is simply Lois is held to a standard that is completely unrealistic and doesn't even fit with today's social mores. I don't drink and *I* don't even hold people to the standard that folks are holding Lois to.

Why is she picked on? I guess that's my question -- what's so special about Lois that she's not allowed to act like pretty much EVERY professional 24 year old in America acts like? In fact, in my case, I'm surrounded by 30, 40, 50, 60 year olds who act like that.

In my case, I don't hold Lois to a different standard than everyone else... I have no reason to.

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I endured far worst with L&C and the comics. :p

*shudder*

Frog-eating clones.

[geminis]

I'm going to take it a step further than that. I have an issue with people even saying that she has a problem and implying that alcoholism is a problem that needs to dealt with and Lois's example is an indicator of this.

I cannot imagine how one can justify judging her and also not judging pretty much everyone in America. Within the context of Western civilization, Lois has done NOTHING wrong. This society does not frown on a person getting drunk at a party. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. Nor does it frown on binge drinking.

If it came out that Fareed Zakaria had once - in his college days - been involved in a shot contest; had once gotten plastered at his cousin's engagement party; and once had his heart crushed at a wedding and decided to drink a bit in response there is NO ONE is the Western world that would even bat an eyelash. In fact, I'd be my life that Fareed Zakaria has gotten drunk before and, yet, oh look -- still a very respected jouranalist. Any random New York Times journalist in their 20s? Oh yeah, they're going to parties in New York and have gotten drunk at least once. I gaurantee it.

NO ONE is going to look down on any of these people. And that's why Hollywood gets away with showing people drinking all the time and uses it as a plot device. Because it's entrenched in this culture and society has no issues with it. Again, I use my example... I'm surrounded by renowned academics who get plastered all the time at parties. No one cares.

So my point is simply Lois is held to a standard that is completely unrealistic and doesn't even fit with today's social mores. I don't drink and *I* don't even hold people to the standard that folks are holding Lois to.

Why is she picked on? I guess that's my question -- what's so special about Lois that she's not allowed to act like pretty much EVERY professional 24 year old in America acts like? In fact, in my case, I'm surrounded by 30, 40, 50, 60 year olds who act like that.

In my case, I don't hold Lois to a different standard than everyone else... I have no reason to.

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*shudder*

Frog-eating clones.

Sana, you keep on making sense! You said perfectly exactly what I was trying to say. And I'll shudder right along with you at the frog eating clones. *ugh*

[ginnyfan]

I love the way... Lois and Clark had a lot of really charged moments with no dialog in this episode. It was SO POWERFUL to me. Lois and Clark have built up this natural comfort level with each other. Their nearness just seems so natural now. But back to the quiet electricity I actually felt it for the first time this season when Clark sees Lois at Black Creek in Odyssey! There was something NEW about that moment. So it's been building a while.

But in Bride... Clark has lost that fear of Lois. That... uneasy wariness that he used to have. Her prickly nature seems amusing to him... and dare I say endearing! So Lois has lost the power to deflect him! It's so much fun to watch. Because Clark has gained this lethal weapon I don't think he even knows he has! She snarks at him and he just gives her this patient smile! She tries to run away from the slow dance and he calmly and gently pulls her into the dance with a lift of his chin that silently says, "Dance with me Lois." Oh my face got so HOT! LOL!

The moment on the stairs, they just stared at each other. The way Clark took her in... gazing at her dress... OH! <3 I wanna watch the episode again. Their video message was so... It was a display of that yin yang quality that I love between Lois and Clark in all mediums. She just blurts out the wrong thing. Clark is nervous and wanting to perfectly express what he feels... it comes out rather stilted and wooden. Oh it's a wonderful dynamic and fun to finally see on Smallville in a harmonious context. Usually on Smallville you see this in a competitive way.

I had mixed feelings at first but... I think "Bride" was a clever way to show Lois' vulnerability. I think some SV viewers found it hard to see past Lois' prickles. And now with this episode you really get to see behind her armor. I think that was a factor in Lois and Clark the TV show. We always got to see Lois from a more vulnerable POV. So her prickles were nearly invisible.

I really thing that Clark is oblivious to how strong Lois' feelings are. He doesn't even know the power that he has with every little thing he does... that Lois' walls are down and every smile... every soft word... every touch... OH! <3

Clark just doesn't know. I think Lois is creeping up on him as far as love goes. He's happy to see her, he likes being around her, he's pleasant and cheerful caring for her at her worst ("Committed" drunken escapades). All this is new. And Clark being gentle and assertive with that dance and with his hug... oh... it was just beautiful. <3

I can't wait to see what comes next. I'm not angry with Clark or the show... I feel that the closure with Lana is necessary. I would rather that Lois and Clark not kiss again until Lana is totally out of the picture for Clark. I love what Erica Durance said about all this to TV Guide. And she said it in this really soft voice.

I wonder if Lois will have her walls back up when she comes back. I can't wait to see Clark's face when he sees her again. <3

I can't stop making hearts! <3 <3 <3 I feel so girly! :D

[eas]

And I'll shudder right along with you at the frog eating clones. *ugh*

Yeah, when I put in THAT context, I have to say that this little "wrench" in Clois is written like Austen in comparison....:lol:

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But in Bride... Clark has lost that fear of Lois. That... uneasy wariness that he used to have. Her prickly nature seems amusing to him... and dare I say endearing! So Lois has lost the power to deflect him! It's so much fun to watch. Because Clark has gained this lethal weapon I don't think he even knows he has! She snarks at him and he just gives her this patient smile! She tries to run away from the slow dance and he calmly and gently pulls her into the dance with a lift of his chin that silently says, "Dance with me Lois." Oh my face got so HOT! LOL!

I can't stop making hearts! <3 <3 <3 I feel so girly! :D

I love your enthusiasm!! LOL... you always make me grin, BDE. Even when we disagree.

In this case, I wasn't quite as happy as you... but I liked how you described that moment... well said, well said.

I definitely think that the moment where Clark grabs her hand and pulls her back (the way he waits to catch her and she continues to move forward, but he won't let go....) was one of the hottest moments we've on SV. One of the things that made it so hot was that it was a genuine moment between them - neither were doped up on something. That was a big deal... it was Real Clark Kent who was approaching and demanding attention from the Real Lois Lane.

That counts for something and, yes, it was a great Clois moment.

[Timester]

Yeah, when I put in THAT context, I have to say that this little "wrench" in Clois is written like Austen in comparison....:lol:

Chuck Austen. :mad:

No puke emote, that's what Austen deserves.

[chloisfan]

I loved the way Clark caught Lois' hand to get her to dance with him. I really hope that Clark realizes he loves Lois MORE than he had every loved Lana. I hope to see Clark doing more of the chasing than Lois. Oh ya, I'm pretty pissed off that Lois is not in the next four episodes. I'm going out of the country until February so, I guess I"m coming back at the right time.

BTW I also like the Clark and Chloe friendship a lot. If there was no Lois, I would want Clark to be with Chloe.

I hate Clark and Lana together. It makes me gag. I hope Lana meets/hooks up with someone else.

[Blazel]

wait im confused... ur a chlois fan? as in chloe and lois cousin friendship or a chloe=lois theorist??? o_O

[eas]

Chuck Austen. :mad:

No puke emote, that's what Austen deserves.

Jane Austen? The literary genius?

OK, Timester... what have you got against poor Jane Austen? I must hear the story behind this one....

[ginnyfan]

More gushing... Lois cannot resist Clark's chest! Even when imagining him in the suit her hand drifted to the chest area. LOL!

Bittersweet Clois is delicious. Who woulda thunk?

[eas]

More gushing... Lois cannot resist Clark's chest! Even when imagining him in the suit her hand drifted to the chest area. LOL!

Bittersweet Clois is delicious. Who woulda thunk?

I don't know if it's delicious.... I think all Clois is tasty, of course.

I wasn't happy about the scene where she stroked his tux. I thought that was over-kill and unnecessary.

However, yes, I do love how she always has a fascination with his chest (who can blame her?) and she always goes there, whether she's flirting or angry. (That's where she jabbed him when she caught him with Maxima.)

[Bizarrolover]

Brilliant post ginnyfan. You described Clark's new attitude perfectly. They are polar oposites, that's why they are so good together.

I think Lois and Clark have something in common, they both see themselves as outsiders, that they don't belong. I liked how Lois said to Ollie that she thought that she had finally found someone who needed her. First I thought it was strange she would feel that way, because Lois never gives up on everyone (she was ready to turn the world upside down both times Chloe went missing -Gone and Odyssey) and yet she thinks no one needs her. After all the things she's done for everyone she still feels like an outcast and hides behind that facade of overconfidence that makes everyone think she's arrogant and rude. Seeing her so vulnerable and wanting someone so much for the first time, was a very welcomed change.

Jane Austen? The literary genius?


Funny someone once again brings austen to a L&C discussion. To me, Lois and Clark are a sci-fi version of Darcy and Elizabeth. Brooding hero and sassy, impertinent heroine. The perfect match.

[Mickey_Bickey]

ginnyfan,

That post was stunning! Very well said!!;)

[ginnyfan]

Brilliant post ginnyfan. You described Clark's new attitude perfectly. They are polar oposites, that's why they are so good together.

I think Lois and Clark have something in common, they both see themselves as outsiders, that they don't belong. I liked how Lois said to Ollie that she thought that she had finally found someone who needed her. First I thought it was strange she would feel that way, because Lois never gives up on everyone (she was ready to turn the world upside down both times Chloe went missing -Gone and Odyssey) and yet she thinks no one needs her. After all the things she's done for everyone she still feels like an outcast and hides behind that facade of overconfidence that makes everyone think she's arrogant and rude. Seeing her so vulnerable and wanting someone so much for the first time, was a very welcomed change.

Thanks! I agree. I think, there are those of us who know Lois and love her and understand her but... it opens her up more to the audience's sympathies. The show has touched on her childhood with the General and how she was carted around like luggage. Lois has even opened up about it in "Siren." But this episode she was completely without defenses. It was a great episode for Lois.

I don't know if it's delicious.... I think all Clois is tasty, of course.

I wasn't happy about the scene where she stroked his tux. I thought that was over-kill and unnecessary.

However, yes, I do love how she always has a fascination with his chest (who can blame her?) and she always goes there, whether she's flirting or angry. (That's where she jabbed him when she caught him with Maxima.)

I've been cringing all season about vulnerable Lois. LOL! But at the same time I think it's brave of the writers and it actually makes sense since she and Clark have known each other for so long in this version of the story. I'm hoping that when she comes back from Star City... she'll have her defenses up and there'll be enough prickles to balance everything out. :D

Clark's head will spin. But we... almost kissed and... the dance and... where did warm fuzzy Lois go? :)

[Dobson]

I usually don't put much into things like the Lois touching his chest having another meaning, but it strikes me in 2 ways. Either she's touching his "heart", or, as far as I can remember, she always done that when he wears a "suit", where the "S" would be.

[Hippolyta]

I loved the Cloisness! I don't care that they almost kissed rather than actually kissed. The fact that the intention was there totally rocked my world because this time last season we wouldn't even have dreamed this was on the horizon. Look how far they've come! Lois was the leading lady in this episode. She was the one who shared all the lingering looks with Clark, she was the one who got the dramatic slow-mo walking away ending. It looks like finally Clois is happening!

[eas]

Funny someone once again brings austen to a L&C discussion. To me, Lois and Clark are a sci-fi version of Darcy and Elizabeth. Brooding hero and sassy, impertinent heroine. The perfect match.

I feel the exact same way.

They also remind me of Beatrice/Benedict from "Much Ado About Nothing".

[geminis]

Brilliant post ginnyfan. You described Clark's new attitude perfectly. They are polar oposites, that's why they are so good together.

I think Lois and Clark have something in common, they both see themselves as outsiders, that they don't belong. I liked how Lois said to Ollie that she thought that she had finally found someone who needed her. First I thought it was strange she would feel that way, because Lois never gives up on everyone (she was ready to turn the world upside down both times Chloe went missing -Gone and Odyssey) and yet she thinks no one needs her. After all the things she's done for everyone she still feels like an outcast and hides behind that facade of overconfidence that makes everyone think she's arrogant and rude. Seeing her so vulnerable and wanting someone so much for the first time, was a very welcomed change.



Funny someone once again brings austen to a L&C discussion. To me, Lois and Clark are a sci-fi version of Darcy and Elizabeth. Brooding hero and sassy, impertinent heroine. The perfect match.

I agree to everything you said too, including praising ginnyfan's post. Well done to you both!

Lois and Clark both want to be needed but they also go the extra mile to help others and don't ask for help themselves. They are perfect for each other. And part of the reason Jane Austen keeps getting brought up is because she knew how to write, and she writes stuff that still is valid today, and can be interpreted easily. And she would easily recognize Lois and Clark as a modern day Darcy and Elizabeth.

[ginnyfan]

I feel the exact same way.

They also remind me of Beatrice/Benedict from "Much Ado About Nothing".

<3

I agree with the literary comparisons. With all three couples they never would have DREAMED they'd end up together. :D

I loved the Cloisness! I don't care that they almost kissed rather than actually kissed. The fact that the intention was there totally rocked my world because this time last season we wouldn't even have dreamed this was on the horizon. Look how far they've come! Lois was the leading lady in this episode. She was the one who shared all the lingering looks with Clark, she was the one who got the dramatic slow-mo walking away ending. It looks like finally Clois is happening!

Yay! I love that the writers aren't just sweeping Oliver and Lana to the side for Clois. They are addressing past loves. It's a good thing.

[geminis]

I feel the exact same way.

They also remind me of Beatrice/Benedict from "Much Ado About Nothing".

Oh yes, without a doubt.

[ginnyfan]

ginnyfan,

That post was stunning! Very well said!!;)

Thanks!

[La Donna]

I find Clois hilarious. It's completely one sided, yet when this happened with oh who was that one character who's done everything first? Oh that's right Chloe! When it happened with her, everyone was tired of her pining. Now that it's Lois, omg! She loves him so much! Just a few episodes ago, Lois couldn't stand him, now she's in love with him? Give me a break. Oh and the almost Clois kiss...doesn't that remind you guys of an almost kiss that already happened in Smallville? The almost Chlark kiss at the Spring Formal that was interrupted by none other than, that's right Lana!
I really want an honest answer from you guys, how do you not see that Lois is doing exactly what Chloe already did?

Honest question: Do you know what pining means? Do you really not see any difference between Chloe and Clark's relationship in season 1 and 2 and between Lois and Clark's relationship in season 8? This is textbook Lois. She hides and denies her feelings, a moment of vulnerability happens that doesn't go as she thought it should, and then she closes herself off and spends the a long time after ignoring her feelings and keeping them private. This is opposite of Chloe and Clark. It's not a negative on Chloe, she was only 15 or so at the time, but it is different, and that's just a fact. This Lois is iconic because of how her character has been portrayed and ED's acting ability, not just because of her name. If you never watched the show and you tuned in right now, you would only need the most basic idea of who Lois Lane and you would be able to recognize her.

The drinking thing is beyond ridiculous. Alcohol is used on television and in movies as a tool. In this case, Lois's personality is so tough and wants to keep her feelings private, that to truly get her to open up as she did with Ollie, they used the tool of alcohol. It is a staple of television shows, and it is used to reveal hidden emotions more than anything else. That is exactly what it's been used for in the case of Lois. In Committed they used it to reveal her true feelings about Chimmy, and then about Clark (the answering machine message). In Bride, they used it as a way to make her inhibitions lower so that she would speak to Ollie about her feelings. Anyone who has a problem with that, or who sees this as a negative in Lois's character, must not be familiar with TV shows, movies, or the history of Lois Lane, because alcohol has been used for the exact same thing for years and years.

[rep4clark]

Re-visit The Scene Were Clark And Lois Are About To Kiss And You Will Find That Lana Had Been Standing There Right In Front Of Them For At Leas 2 Secounds. Im Sure Lana Has A Pretty Good Idea Of What Has Been Going On, Maby Thats What Led Lana To Be More Aggerssive In Stating That Her Relationship With Clark Was Over.

[supes0]

I endured far worst with L&C and the comics. :p

It took forever with the comics. And L&C was one of the reasons. They were engaged in the comics, then L&C came on the scene and WB decided DC should delay the wedding, so they killed Superman.

Then after that we had to endure all sorts of silly delay tactics. Lori Lemaris came back as the other woman. To add insult to injury she wears Lois's dress and kisses Clark, Lois watching (unknown to them).

To further complicate everything, Lois breaks off her engagement with Clark for silly reasons. Then, finally, the TV show finally gets it's act together but doesn't give DC enough warning. So they had to rush to mend the rift and comic book readers were cheated out of an epic wedding we thought we would get before the TV show even made it on air.

The wedding happened in a double issue that had to include a clunky reunion and felt rushed.

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Jane Austen? The literary genius?

OK, Timester... what have you got against poor Jane Austen? I must hear the story behind this one....


not to speak for Timester, but I believe he is talking about Chuck Austen the writer who was fired for making a mess out of Action 5+ years ago. He's the one responsible for Lana the homewrecker, unlikable Lois, unlikable Clark, OOC Superman.

YUK. He was fired.

[smallvillefreak24]

Ok this season has turned me into a cloiser i think lois and clark are great together but i dont know if its just me but lois seems over the top almost she is like madly in love with clark and 4 seconds ago he was annoying as heck to her so idk i like it and how cute it is but i think they should tone it down a little cuz it seems out of character for lois.. thoughts..

[lane06]

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***Funny someone once again brings austen to a L&C discussion. To me, Lois and Clark are a sci-fi version of Darcy and Elizabeth. Brooding hero and sassy, impertinent heroine. The perfect match.




haha I couldn't agree more on this. and that's what made me love both pairs of fictional characters.

[devilneedsaride]

It seems weird coming from a Cloiser, but I was somewhat bothered by the Clois scenes tonight. Most of their awesome chemistry comes from the bantering and the fake hostility and the rudeness, and there just wasn't any. Plus they made Lois (EDlois is far and away my favorite incarnation of Lois) seem kind of dumbed down by having her seem mooney and lovesick, which is a huge step down from her usual energetic, babbling, foot-constantly-in-mouth personality. I think she should be like that all the time, especially around Clark. She babbles when she's nervous and she hates awkward silences, right? She should have been talking for like 95% of the screen time for this episode :lol: The way it was done just didn't seem genuine.

Yep after the episodes come back in Jan we won't have Lois back until the 15th episode

:eek:

I mean, :eek:

What? WHAT?

No Clois for three freaking months I could handle, but no Lois at ALL?

Baaaaaaaaad PS3, baaaaaaaaaaad. No cookie for you.

[geminis]

It took forever with the comics. And L&C was one of the reasons. They were engaged in the comics, then L&C came on the scene and WB decided DC should delay the wedding, so they killed Superman.

Then after that we had to endure all sorts of silly delay tactics. Lori Lemaris came back as the other woman. To add insult to injury she wears Lois's dress and kisses Clark, Lois watching (unknown to them).

To further complicate everything, Lois breaks off her engagement with Clark for silly reasons. Then, finally, the TV show finally gets it's act together but doesn't give DC enough warning. So they had to rush to mend the rift and comic book readers were cheated out of an epic wedding we thought we would get before the TV show even made it on air.

The wedding happened in a double issue that had to include a clunky reunion and felt rushed.

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not to speak for Timester, but I believe he is talking about Chuck Austen the writer who was fired for making a mess out of Action 5+ years ago. He's the one responsible for Lana the homewrecker, unlikable Lois, unlikable Clark, OOC Superman.

YUK. He was fired.

Thank you and Timester for the warning. I've been thinking of hitting comic book stores over the hiatus and now know that if I see Chuck Austen's name to put it down fast and bring wipes just in case.

[DontCha]

thats love

when you love somene and unsure about how they feel, they drive you CRAZY, you're mind is confused about what they feel, if anything..sometimes you see it, sometimes you dont, are you misreading things?

he's driving her crazy because she loves him and has no idea how he actually feels.

Also, its not out ocf character for Lois, she's like it to clark in the comics even when they are married.

he drives her nuts, yets she loves him for it and its exactly the same thing when it comes to him, she drives him crazy, but he loves it.

[27CDruid]

Lois falls for Superman...not Clark.

Not always true. Is it crisis where Lois falls for Clark? It varies between series, comics and movies.

[DontCha]

I Agree.

The development between them has been great.. but as I've said in other threads - the almost kiss came a little soon.


clark needs a strong reason to chase a closed off Lois when she gets back, and lois almost kissing him is enough to do that

Clark would have never realized his feelings for Lois had she not given him some kind of indicator that she was interested in him and we got that in Committed, and so he realized he had feelings for Lois

Then we have him trying to battle with them in Identity, then we see him caring deeply for her in Bloodline and AGAIN he gets an indicator of how she feels (knight in shining armour) and so we see him actively make a move with her next episode and that almost kiss was it.

now when she comes back, he's going to need to know that she has feelings for him because I can bet you she will have walls sky high surrounding that heart if hers, pretending it didnt happen and that almost kiss will be the reminder for Clark that Lois is worth chasing.

IMO the first half of the season was mainly Lois' feelings being explored to great extent, the second half will be Clark's

[Bizarrolover]

That's Lois, she's a walking contradiction. She poses as a tough, independent woman who doesn't need anyone but she suffers because she thinks no one needs her. She's madly in love with Clark and masks her feelings behind a veil of sarcasm. I loved how Clark totally disarmed her during the dance. he grabbed her hand and didn't let her run away, and pulled her into that kiss with just an inviting smile. She wasn't expecting this from him, but she was totally wanting it.