4 Years Thrown Out the Window! (Chloe/Memory Loss Discussion)

[superspider02]

So here is a thread for us to discuss how we liked or disliked chloe's memories that were kept and removed. Discuss once episode airs.

[Aries83]

Thanks for butchering Chloe, PS3. Every year Chloe gets [MOD EDIT] on, I guess this year is no exception. This angers me, I've about had it!

[Clarks Blue Eyed Angel]

And they finally did the one thing I was always afraid they would do. They took away Chloe's memories of Clark's abilities. The most sacred connection on this show, is now a lie. And the worst part is... they had Clark do it. He made the choice to **** Chloe of her memories.

And thus this series ends for me.

[6-Super-Man -5]

If your talking about her finding out Clark's secret and getting it erased, she'll probably find out later, if not Season Eight, then Season Nine.

[smallvillian141]

I KNOW!
i was almost going to cry, i sure hope they make a HUGE comeback.
Chloe has always been my favorite characture especially how she was always there for Clark and now? Now what? Im so upset :/

[senay-jor]

What a waste of 4 years. They are doing a marvelous job of destroying "my" Chloe.

[wildcherry]

She lost alot of memorys if she forgot clarks secret, that's basically their whole friendship. I think this is the worst thing to happen in smallville EVER.:(

[Carolina87]

Yeah it those feel like a waste of 4 years!! all the crap clark n chloe went through and to have chloe just forget about it is too much PS3. :mad:they better fix this shizz soon.

[susangail]

I was blown away -- now Clark is really alone.

[Kcirtap41B]

I actually think it's a smart move. Clark is getting too old, the guy needs to get that red cape and blue tights going on. Chloe knowing Clark's secret was ok for Clark Kent, but it's not productive for the creation of Superman.
I mean think about it, this whole episode was to show that Chloe knowing Clark's secret was harming her, and will probably harm her if she keeps knowing it.

[Jade4813]

I don't even LIKE Chloe all that much and I'm not happy with what they did. If they were going to do that, it should have been Chloe's choice. Not Clark's.

[redeem147]

Chloe's the same great person she was. Not knowing Clark's secret doesn't change that.

[haydenclaireheroes]

I KNOW!
i was almost going to cry, i sure hope they make a HUGE comeback.
Chloe has always been my favorite characture especially how she was always there for Clark and now? Now what? Im so upset :/

i did not even see the episode because they had the football game in new york instead of smallville ntead of smallville but i am very upset chloe was so loyal and come on all sh gets is couple hospital trips in the years and no memmory of why. NICe that is great. they better make a comeback in the episode bride and i dont know make chloe know anout clarks secret......:(

[mamma long arms]

I am so mad that they took away Chloe's memories of Clark's secrets....ugggg...it is so messed up, I am thinking of quitting Smallville!

[nipvillesmlltuk]

i am upset :(

[warriorrenegade]

So you'd rather see the character in constant danger? I don't get it. Clark is only protecting her. Her not knowing the secret helps her. She's still his friend, hell best friend even. I think it's perfectly fine she doesn't know.

[Bella882]

I'd rather not comment, on what I think about Clark at the moment, otherwise I will no doubt about it get banned.


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[hemmy]

Give me a [Mod Edit] break.

You guys are ridiculous.

Let it play out before you start crying about such [Mod Edit] stuff.

[Jory]

Chloe had told Clark not to take away her memory of his secret, that it wasn't a burden;however, PS3 have decided to ruin a great relationship anyhow. PS3 have been destroying, not only Chloe, but also the Chlark friendship this season, and I think that is horrible. They should've been proud of the character of Chloe, and the friendship between Chlark, yet they have set out to destroy both, and give a huge "screw yyou' to any fan of Chloe and Chlark.

I think having Chlark not ineteract as much this season also took some of the emotional punch away from Clark mind raping Chloe. PS3 were so hell bent on ruin Chloe/Chlark, that they lost some of the emotional connection the scene required.

Allison did a wonderful job, it's too bad her character has been rendered pointless/ useless.

[virginie]

i think every one will be upset about this!!!!!!!! so im I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(:(:( i was like what the heck is this i was going to kick my tv......AAAAAAAAAAA

[Aloof]

Dammit, why did they have to do that?

[unfocused]

It's awesome. I'm glad Chloe doesn't know the secret anymore. She was always complaining about how it was a burden to keep. Now Clark shut her up about it and no more crying over the secret.

I'm happy :)

[Radioflyer]

If your talking about her finding out Clark's secret and getting it erased, she'll probably find out later, if not Season Eight, then Season Nine.Chloe was on the verge of figuring out Clark's secret at the point she found out anyway. Notice how easily Jimmy figured it out with less evidence.

[roccanater]

Too bad. I figured this day would come.

[abbaspice1]

Chloe had told Clark not to take away her memory of his secret, that it wasn't a burden;however, PS3 have decided to ruin a great relationship anyhow. PS3 have been destroying, not only Chloe, but also the Chlark friendship this season, and I think that is horrible. They should've been proud of the character of Chloe, and the friendship between Chlark, yet they have set out to destroy both, and give a huge "screw yyou' to any fan of Chloe and Chlark.

I think having Chlark not ineteract as much this season also took some of the emotional punch away from Clark mind raping Chloe. PS3 were so hell bent on ruin Chloe/Chlark, that they lost some of the emotional connection the scene required.

Allison did a wonderful job, it's too bad her character has been rendered pointless/ useless.

Was Chloe useless or pointless BEFORE she knew the secret? She is NOT pointless or useless. I don't see how Chloe fans can feel like this.

[KalEl's Destiny]

And they finally did the one thing I was always afraid they would do. They took away Chloe's memories of Clark's abilities. The most sacred connection on this show, is now a lie. And the worst part is... they had Clark do it. He made the choice to rape Chloe of her memories.

And thus this series ends for me.

After seeing previews for the next episode, I find it hard to believe it will stay that way for long though Clark is going to have to expose himself I'd be willing to bet in the next eppy...but I admire Clark for doing that at the same time because he's right. Everyone that knows his secret has either died or faced the danger of dying. That move was very admirable on his part.

[Theshadow129x]

the less people that know his secret the better. but this also ensures that Clark does some investigating by himself and stop being so reliable on others.

[Bane]

This was a pretty idiotic move, it puts all of that four years of greatness out the window. Chloe has never been a useless character, but c'mon, it was awesome that she knew Clark's secret. I am a little pissed...and the only thing distracting my anger is Doomsday.

[B_M4N]

All of you want Clark to start saving people so why not begin with those that matter most to him it's better for Chloe to not know his secret.

[moviefan2k4]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "PS3" team did this to deliberately make the diehard Chlark fans sweat, all while planning to reverse the effects later down the road. If nothing else, it's a brilliant move to keep people watching. :lol:

My own feelings on this decision are kinda in flux, though. I understand the narrative reasons for doing this to Chloe, but watching the "repair" scene was still rather heartbreaking. The "Smallville" writers have proven themselves time and again as more than capable of getting themselves out of the worst scenarios, so I'm reasonably certain the same would hold true for this as well.

[NaYa]

Give me a [Mod Edit] break.

You guys are ridiculous.

Let it play out before you start crying about such [Mod Edit] stuff.

Don't be calling people ridiculous just because they are expressing what they think and feel about what happened to Chloe. If you don't agree with it oh well, let people be...don't criticize. I am also upset, but I am sure (and I hope) she will find out his secret again. Chloe is the only person he can truly trust and has always had his back.

[Aries83]

If this is the only way the producers can fit Davis into the storyline, it's seriously messed up.

[Bella882]

Give me a [Mod Edit]break.

You guys are ridiculous.

Let it play out before you start crying about such [Mod Edit] stuff.


Dude,like wth! If people want to [MOD EDIT] about it, they have a right to. Not everyone on this forum can blindly smile and nod and assume everything will be resolved in a pretty package. This is Smallville we're dealing with here, they've rebooted the show like a light switch. Logic no longer applies. Clark stood there and nonchalantly screwed around with Chloe's memory because he felt like it. No sweat off his back. Not because she was facing certain death, but simply because in his words Chloe had been through a lot.

Such a conniving thing to do. Are you the future Superman or a Luthor?

What was that? Yet we're reminded of Lana coming back next week, is he going to mindwipe her as well for her own well being? She's been through just as much. Of course he isn't.

[zguida09]

the wrighters are only doing this so it will be easier to kill chloe off in the future............but her memories gone...........bad descision..........very bad

[loistickyfingerz]

Even though it was a HUGE burden on both Clark and the writers to have Chloe knowing his secret, especially when almost ALL others who have known have died or gone insane, it still feels somewhat sad that Chloe doesn't know anymore.

I feel the same loss I felt when Pete left the show. It's as if Clark is destined to be alone, which for a while he is, but in the long run he is not.

We know down the line Lois will know and accept it (Kara TOLD him that last week), so I think it's sad that in order to "save" Chloe, both as Clark's friend and a character in the story, her memory had to be zapped like that.

I kinda hope she remembers a little bit eventually.

[Aries83]

I understand the narrative reasons for doing this to Chloe, but watching the "repair" scene was still rather heartbreaking. The "Smallville" writers have proven themselves time and again as more than capable of getting themselves out of the worst scenarios, so I'm reasonably certain the same would hold true for this as well.

The narrative...you mean, Davis? I realize that they may be doing this to set up her arc with Davis. Obviously, if she knew Clark's secret, she'd catch on that Davis was Doomsday, so I get it. I just think it's a big slap in the face to all of us that have grown to appreciate the dynamic Chloe and Clark have.

[theotherJane]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "PS3" team did this to deliberately make the diehard Chlark fans sweat, all while planning to reverse the effects later down the road. If nothing else, it's a brilliant move to keep people watching. :lol:

My own feelings on this decision are kinda in flux, though. I understand the narrative reasons for doing this to Chloe, but watching the "repair" scene was still rather heartbreaking. The "Smallville" writers have proven themselves time and again as more than capable of getting themselves out of the worst scenarios, so I'm reasonably certain the same would hold true for this as well.

I agree. I don't really expect this to last. I mean think about it, if Chloe is no longer needed as secret keeper/helper/ultimate confidante, then they might as well write her off the show.
I think people should just let this play out before coming to any rash conclusions.

[DontCha]

actually its not Ps3's fault

this was always going to happen to anyone who knows clark's secret and does not belong to the mythos..sorry but they always get a mindwipe or they die..which would you prefer to happen to chloe?

Its not P3's fault its the people before them, they should have NEVER let her realize his secret because she was NEVER going to remember it but if they didnt she'd be irelevant, which is something she's probably going to become pretty soon now that she doesnt remember it anymore, they will have to change her purpose on the show.

[Lauren_17]

Maybe, after the 14th ep, Chloe will remember...

[unex||den||adel]

^ good job, jenny!!

i like the 'pretty package' stuff. ITA. Lois is treated as Lois bcoz she got the package.

[psyko69]

Chloe's character isn't hurt by this. Its kind of Clark doing her a favour.

She can't be married and lie to her husband, and everyone who knows Clark's secret that isn't a member of the JLA is in constant danger.

I for one am interested in finding out where this plot thread goes.

[Bane]

I guess it's best, but still, what are they gonna do about Clark's face having been shown for so long? How can he hope to go public as Superman without a mask if he's been showing his face for so long?

[unfocused]

She isn't irrelevant as long as Green Arrow is still on the show. She still works with them and still has her memories of the whole JLA thing.

[DontCha]

I personally am relishing in this

firstly we get another nail in the chark coffin by episodes end and then we get a lovely clois kiss/almost kiss, then we'll have a nice closure to Clana..

Things are really starting to take shape, yay for destiny!

[Aries83]

this was always going to happen to anyone who knows clark's secret and does not belong to the mythos..sorry but they always get a mindwipe or they die..which would you prefer to happen to chloe?

Yeah, that's why Lana's coming back next week, alive and kicking.

[superman07]

I was a little mad but not freaking out about it. This whole season has been about him becoming superman. Chloe fits in perfectly with Smallville but doesn't quite make the fit for Superman's story. The only question I would have is what about the JL? Does she forget them too?

Anyway, I'd put ten dollars down right now that says she'll know by the season finale. Any takers?

[Kal-El-073]

This isn't going to hurt her character so cry babies should really quite whining about it. It hasn't killed anything that happend the last four years it's just the way the story should be progressing, and it's probably better that she doesn't remember.

[Aries83]

She isn't irrelevant as long as Green Arrow is still on the show. She still works with them and still has her memories of the whole JLA thing.

Actually, that wouldn't make sense either. She worked with them when she knew both Clark and Oliver's secret. How could she be working with the team if she doesn't even know one of the team members secrets?

[DontCha]

yeah and Lana's also leaving it again 5 episodes later...Aries.

she's also part of the mythos and and knows his secret in the comics so its OK, she has no threat of mindwipe or death

she just doesnt belong in clark's future so she's getting decent closure.

[morena]

I think Clark needs to understand what means Chloe as a secret keeper, and now he will take this chance

[Vergon6]

Maybe Clark will have to tell her his secret on his own terms now. After all, Doomsday already has sights set on Chloe, and whether or not she knows the secret, she is in danger.

[Clarks Blue Eyed Angel]

After seeing previews for the next episode, I find it hard to believe it will stay that way for long though Clark is going to have to expose himself I'd be willing to bet in the next eppy...but I admire Clark for doing that at the same time because he's right. Everyone that knows his secret has either died or faced the danger of dying. That move was very admirable on his part.

He may have done it for the right reasons, but the fact is that it was Chloe's choice to make. And she chose. She TOLD him that she wouldn't trade knowing his secret for anything, that it had helped her make a difference in the world.

He took that choice away from her. He did it because he loves her and he doesn't want to lose her, but he was still wrong.

If she ever gets her memory back, I just hope she can forgive him.

[unfocused]

Actually, that wouldn't make sense either. She worked with them when she knew both Clark and Oliver's secret. How could she be working with the team if she doesn't even know one of the team members secrets?

Clark isn't a team member ;)

[Smallville6]

I'm sad about this, but blaming Clark is stupid.
Clark did her a favor, he's protecting her. He's saving her from a life that revolves around his secret and puts her in constant danger.
Chloe herself always says how much of her life she devotes to his secret.
Plus, I really think she'll re-learn his secret.
But either way, this was a HUGE sacrifice for Clark. Do you really think he wants to be all alone? Of course not! He wants to protect her though, so he's giving up what he wants for her.

[Bane]

So, as it stands, Lana is the only one who knows the secret. Nothing wrong with that...I guess, since it's like that in the mythos.

[moviefan2k4]

She isn't irrelevant as long as Green Arrow is still on the show. She still works with them and still has her memories of the whole JLA thing.They'd probably be severely altered though. If Chloe knows nothing about Clark's secret, then her role as Watchtower in "Justice" would be drastically changed, as would any future dealings with meteor freaks and/or superpowered people past "Pariah".

[DontCha]

why Do I also think this will be the reason why he says goodbye to chloe once and for all?

that line seemed awfully forshadowing.

She's not meant to be in his future so IMO they will write her out of it aswell.

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So, as it stands, Lana is the only one who knows the secret. Nothing wrong with that...I guess, since it's like that in the mythos.

well, Lois is allowed to know too...just not yet..:D

[haydenclaireheroes]

well lets just see were smallville takes us and if it does us not take us good then there is no season 9 and we will all know why because chloe does not know clarks secret and people did not watch it because they felt it was to impotanat.

[Vergon6]

They'd probably be severely altered though. If Chloe knows nothing about Clark's secret, then her role as Watchtower in "Justice" would be drastically changed, as would any future dealings with meteor freaks and/or superpowered people past "Pariah".
My guess is that her memory in "Justice" was altered to not include 'Boy Scout'.

[Tommy'sGirl]

Well, I was pissed at first, but then I got to thinking about it. Brace yourselves:
I always thought the biggest plot hole in the Chlois theory was that Chloe knew Clark's secret, but now that she has been mind-wiped...get where I'm going with this? Yeah, Cloisers can throw tomatoes now. :) Either way, I think she'll learn his secret again, but HE will tell her.

[Aries83]

Clark isn't a team member ;)

Still, her not knowing his secret jeopardizes her involvement with their missions. How is she supposed to be their watchdog and hacker when she doesn't even know Clark's secret? She can't be in that role if she doesn't know.

[DontCha]

Clark' and Chloe have obviously grown apart, theres no way he'd have done this a couple of seasons ago. He used to see her as one of the most needed people in his life but I think its slowly starting to change?

He's obviously decided that he doesnt need to keep running to her for help, he doesnt need her in that respect anymore, he's growing ip and has more confidence in himself thank GOD!

[SnowBird]

This was such a touching scene in the Fortress. I felt bad for both Chloe and Clark and it was indeed a sad time. Clark cares so much for Chloe and they have been best buds for a long time. I can see how Clark wants to protect Chloe as he always has and so for now it was for the best that she forgets his secret. Clark is losing someone who he can confide in and knows everything about him. Chloe won't be the side kick she was but since she is getting married, maybe it will make Chloe and Jimmy closer which is as it should be when married. This rates right up there with one of the saddest moments in Smallville. I'll see how it all plays out as there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.

[Jade4813]

well lets just see were smallville takes us and if it does us not take us good then there is no season 9 and we will all know why because chloe does not know clarks secret and people did not watch it because they felt it was to impotanat.

Or because Tom Welling didn't sign a new contract.

[Aloof]

I think it does ruin her character quite a bit... Think about what Chloe and Clark have been through. Her knowing Clark's secret has really shaped her character. All of that is gone now... :|

[DontCha]

what the heck duplicate post

[TWLOVER03]

quite honestly I would have rather had them kill Chloe off. At least she would have died as herself.

[susangail]

It really waters her impact way down. And Clark is more alone than ever. How sad...

[colibri]

I knew this would have to happen as Clark gets closer to becoming Superman but they really could have handled this differently. She could have forgotten some other way but to have Clark make this decision for her was really low.

[Jade4813]

Yeah...I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Chloe forgetting Clark's secret, but I could have dealt with it under certain circumstances. This would not be one of those circumstances.

[TWLOVER03]

i think it was a cheap cop out, as I meantion earlier if they were going to sink this low they should have just killed her off.

[Clarkgirl8]

It Sucks. It wasn't Clark's choice to make. Period.

Now let's just erase everything that happened from the Pilot to Odyssey, it'll prob make more sense...

[jacques]

I honestly think Chloe is really going to hate Clark for taking away her choice.
Knowing his secret shaped her life. She stopped looking at meteor infected people as freaks. Hell she was his go to girl.
Does this mean he wiped out her memories of being Watchtower?

[lillie_poo_pod]

So you'd rather see the character in constant danger? I don't get it. Clark is only protecting her. Her not knowing the secret helps her. She's still his friend, hell best friend even. I think it's perfectly fine she doesn't know.

Chloe was in constant danger before knowing the secret. And I'm positive that she'll be in danger after the mind wipe.

I knew it was coming. I read the spoilers. But damn its sucks so much.

[Aries83]

It Sucks. It wasn't Clark's choice to make. Period.

Now let's just erase everything that happened from the Pilot to Odyssey, it'll prob make more sense...

LOL...Yeah, really...What kind of show do they think they're dealing with? Dallas?...I'm so upset, but:

Remember the "crib sheets?" The files on the computers at the Isis Foundation that she used to keep her memory straight. They're still there....I almost forgot about that.

[Poyntz]

I think i would perfer them killing her off at the end of the season instead of a mindwipe at clarks hands. Her death in my eyes should of been to save him.

That being said it was a touching scene. It just doesnt make sence to me how she has any memories of the last 4 years. Like how did she get fired from the planet? her dream job as a reporter... Justice league? who is boyscout as someone mentioned. All that stuff.
the last 4 years she had dedicated herself to helping clark and protecting his secret. Seems odd that she would have any memories that wouldnt clue her in on it.

[colibri]

Yeah...I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Chloe forgetting Clark's secret, but I could have dealt with it under certain circumstances. This would not be one of those circumstances.

Right. They could have had Jor-El decide to do it or even as an after affect of Braniac's control wiping out all her Kryptonian knowledge (lame I know) but just the fact that Clark did it is just wrong.

[Clana4Life]

Actually this whole "memory erase" doesn't and can't make sense. It creates too many plotholes or "memory-holes". Clark's secret is inextricably tied to too many other memories. Chloe can't work for JLA anymore because that is linked to Clark's secret. Wiping this memory should wipe memories of pretty much everything. I don't know how this works. Does she just have huge gaps in her memory now? I really don't see how this could logically work. I guess she doesn't know Brainiac either now. By the way, is Brainiac totally gone from her system, too? Does she remember being a meteor freak? It's crazy. It would have been better to have her just have complete amnesia from the moment Alicia grabs her up until now. Just erase the past four years, but not erase parts of the last four years which are tied to every other memory of that time period. Oh, well - whatever. I guess if the writers write it, then it flies. So I guess only Pete and Lana know Clark's secret now. Something needs to happen to Pete, too, because I don't think he knows Clark's secret in the comic books - only Lana.

[Jade4813]

Exactly. And this was AFTER she said she wouldn't trade his secret for anything.

Who wrote this episode?

[christian_kryptonian]

Almost cried guys. Seriously. Smallville...wow...

[morena]

Well, I was pissed at first, but then I got to thinking about it. Brace yourselves:
I always thought the biggest plot hole in the Chlois theory was that Chloe knew Clark's secret, but now that she has been mind-wiped...get where I'm going with this? Yeah, Cloisers can throw tomatoes now. :) Either way, I think she'll learn his secret again, but HE will tell her.

ya, I think the same
Clark needs to understand what means Chloe as a secret keeper, and now he will take this chance

[greatodinsbeard]

Don't fret! Chloe will probably remember Clarks secret at the end of Legion. It might be one of the things the Legion has to correct, or losing Brainiac will rest her memories to before she was infected.

I'm sad that she doesn't know Clarks secret right now , but I think Clark letting go showed great character development, the mind rape aside.

[wooosmallville]

i was really upset at first.till i saw her with jimmy..completely oblivious about clark's secret and she was glowing. It's like she didn't have Clark's problems on her shoulders. I think this is a great thing for Chloe! It's also going to force Clark to do things on his own now.

[Aries83]

I don't know, but whoever wrote it needs to be water boarded.

[NellieBlye8]

I was ohhhh so pissed that they totally wiped Chloe's memory of Clark's secret! I have a feeling that they won't give her that memory back, it makes more sense to the story for her not to know...but...it still pisses me off! :(

[Caesar Gambino]

I actually think it's a smart move. Clark is getting too old, the guy needs to get that red cape and blue tights going on. Chloe knowing Clark's secret was ok for Clark Kent, but it's not productive for the creation of Superman.
I mean think about it, this whole episode was to show that Chloe knowing Clark's secret was harming her, and will probably harm her if she keeps knowing it.
i have to agree with you.but at first i was screaming,"no clark dont do it" when he was in the fortress.but you got to understand clark and what he had to go through.his secret destroyed many people lives it was on the verge of destroying chloes and look at all that braniac was putting her through.at the end of the episode when clark,chloe and jimmy were talking the wedding,you can see that clark really miss chloe knowing his secret.his secret killed Johnathan,Lionel,forced Pete to find a new life.but overall i think it was a good deal.he will be alone but i think somewhere down the line someone close to him will find out

[Clarkgirl8]

Exactly. And this was AFTER she said she wouldn't trade his secret for anything.

Who wrote this episode?

Don Whitehead & Holly Henderson
*grabs pitchfork* :p:\

[Jade4813]

I don't know, but whoever wrote it needs to be water boarded.

*chokes on a donut*

I'm just really incredibly disappointed by this episode. Honestly, I've been loving this season overall until now. "Toxic" was probably the weakest point to date; it was a little slow in places. But it felt like it flew by compared with this episode.

And I am just really disappointed in the WAY they had Chloe forget Clark's secret. Okay, so they wanted her to forget, for whatever reason. All riiiight. Not sure I get why, but fine. If there's a reason, I'm willing to find out what it is.

But to do it THIS WAY...!

Honestly, I'm so apathetic about Chloe and Chlark that it wouldn't have taken much for me to just not care about this turn of events. Just as I've really not cared about a number of Chloe/Clark scenes for several years now.

So the fact that I'm ticked about it is saying something. I'm not pissed because they ruined my favorite character. On the list of characters I enjoy on this show, Chloe would rank near the bottom of the list, hovering just above Lana.

But what they did was WRONG. What they just did to Clark's characterization was WRONG. It was just. Plain. Wrong.

I can't even imagine how people who've actually enjoyed Chlark feel right now, because I don't and haven't and I'm ticked about it. :rolleyes:

Were the writers of this episode on crack or something?

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Don Whitehead & Holly Henderson
*grabs pitchfork* :p:\

Oh, they are SO going on my list then. :mad:

[DontCha]

they should have made it her choice

then this anger wouldnt be here

but I think they are making the point that clark is growing apart from her and doesnt need her to be his sidekick anymore.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

they should have made it so it was chloe's choice to forget in order for clark to be safe.

[Jade4813]

they should have made it her choice

then this anger wouldnt be here

but I think they are making the point that clark is growing apart from her and doesnt need her to be his sidekick anymore.

If they'd made it her choice, a number of people would still be pissed, but I wouldn't be one of them. Chloe HAS given up a lot of her life after knowing Clark's secret. Fine. Not everyone would agree with the choice, if she'd made it, but it would have been her choice so I'd have been cool.

I'm fine that he doesn't need his sidekick any longer, but he hasn't really been using her as his sidekick much if any this season. So there was no need for him to wipe her memory, if that's what they were after doing.

I just...can't...BELIEVE...they had Clark do this! I can't believe it! :mad:

[Poyntz]

Actually i didnt get the feeling he didnt need her or want her. He was scared for her it seemed. He seems scared of the thought of loosing her all together.

[OneShotClois]

I was kind of taken aback by what they did, but Clark was doing it to protect her, and since Chloe sometimes complains about what a burden his secret is to keep, then what Clark did is ok to me. Besides, Chloe's not even in the mythos.. and somehow because of what they did, and Clark saying 'goodbye' I think it means IMO that Chloe might die after all later in the season.

I don't mind much that Chloe doesn't know, as long as Lois finds out in the end :)

[Aries83]

*chokes on a donut*

I'm just really incredibly disappointed by this episode. Honestly, I've been loving this season overall until now. "Toxic" was probably the weakest point to date; it was a little slow in places. But it felt like it flew by compared with this episode.

Definitely. Aside from what they did, the episode started oddly, progressed oddly, and was very very uneven. Everything felt rushed for some reason...

[mamma long arms]

it's not fair what they did to chloe's character. she has gone through so much crap protecting his secret for the past four years, and for what? so it can be erased!?! even if chloe finds out again, she won't remember the memories she had...i am so mad at the writers....grrrr.

[Poyntz]

It was rushed. At least the ending felt like that to me. I remember looking over at the clock during a commercial and wondering how they are going to wrap this up.

[warriorrenegade]

Chloe was in constant danger before knowing the secret. And I'm positive that she'll be in danger after the mind wipe.

I knew it was coming. I read the spoilers. But damn its sucks so much.

In constant danger as a result of knowing the secret. Also with all her protesting that the secret wasn't a problem and was a problem Clark lifted that burden off her shoulders. Just go back and watch Peter Ross's exit from the show and see what a burden it is for knowing the secret. It almost killed him when you think about it. Her not knowing is a great thing. I don't get how people are missing that.

[mamma long arms]

i know! i mean if chloe wanted it to happen, i would be sad, but at least it was her decision... >:(

[Karafan1]

All the way back in the season 4 episode "Blank", I was on the verge of being really ticked off when Chloe was gonna get hit with that memory erasrer machine because I didn't want her to forget about Clark's powers. Now 4 seasons later I'm ok with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if she finds out again..

[Poyntz]

Your memories are what make you the person you are today. So how can she be the same person now? And as someone said. Even if she finds out Clarks secret again. She still has lost the actual memories good and bad from the last 4 years. I think thats what people are upset about.

I'm still on the fence. I liked the emotional aspect of this episode. But i'm sadden by the loss of the chemistry i loved between Clark and Chloe (not even romantically i'm talking friendship).

[Iolanthe]

It was rape. Effectively, it was rape. Clark took something from Chloe that can't be restored, memories that made her who she was. And she didn't choose it. In fact, earlier she had made a point that knowing Clark's secret had helped her to make a positive difference in the world.

Yes, the writers dressed it up as "protecting her", which is actually quite in character for Clark. He's supremely overprotective. But, as Teri Hatcher as Lois in "Lois and Clark" pointed out, Clark can't live her life for her. She has to be free to make her own choices or she's not the Lois that he loves. Even if those choices put her in danger.

So Clark rationalized and used some weasel words and erased a large part of her life. I think that it will take some time for him to realize what a mistake he made and how wrong he was.

End result: Clark doesn't have a confidante, he's erased four years of true friendship (they were friends before, but their friendship reached a new level when Chloe found out his secret), and the Fortress is infected. And think of how many times Chloe saved him before? Is she going to be able to do that in the future, now that she's the happy little Stepford Wife?

AARGH!

On the other hand, from a story-telling, ratings-grabbing viewpoint, it's ideal. Look at how much discussion there is about this already. People have more passion about this than I've seen for any other topic for quite some time.

I can't wait to see what happens next. "Smallville" is getting fun to watch again.

[AndyBear1980]

Not gonna lie, I am very very disappointed that they took this away from Chloe. something that's been such an integral part of her character... I've been disappointed in many things in my years watching this show but this takes the cake for most disappointed I've been in a plot twist.

[Ardiem3]

How many times has Chloe gotten into danger because of her knowing, he did it to protect her, and thats what a friend does... If she hadnt of known about his secret, Brainiac never would have infected her... She didnt forget about him, just about his abilities, and somewhere down the line, I'm sure she'll find out again, which if she does, make "Abyss" pointless in the fact of her being in danger, but he'll play it off as if hes meteor infected if she does find out again.

[DontCha]

Actually you know what, i take it back

clark had every right to take the secret away from her because as Cedric has brought to attention,

Chloe finding out about Clark's secret was originally a VIOLATION of clark's privacy..its not her fault that she knows but it WAS a violation and he has every right to take the knowledge away from her.

[eas]

I was a little mad but not freaking out about it. This whole season has been about him becoming superman. Chloe fits in perfectly with Smallville but doesn't quite make the fit for Superman's story. The only question I would have is what about the JL? Does she forget them too?

Anyway, I'd put ten dollars down right now that says she'll know by the season finale. Any takers?

Yeah, that's what I was curious about, too. Everyone in the JL knows his secret. Is she still Watchtower? When he mind-wiped her, did he take memories of her JL thing, too? From what Ollie said in last week's episode, it seems like Ollie wouldn't mind.

And, yeah, I'm sure she'll have a moment where she learns everything again... but will the Chlark friendship be the same? Will she ever trust Clark again? And will she die immediately after learning it again?

[jqedward]

I really hope this story arc accomplishes something that will add to the story of Smallville as a whole. If not, then what a waste of 4 years. You know something really dramatic is going to happen to Chloe next week when Doomsday crashes her wedding. We all know that is gonna be a big Cliffhanger is gonna haunt us until they comeback on the air at the beginning of next year. It is after all November sweeps.

[eas]

On the other hand, from a story-telling, ratings-grabbing viewpoint, it's ideal. Look at how much discussion there is about this already. People have more passion about this than I've seen for any other topic for quite some time.

I can't wait to see what happens next. "Smallville" is getting fun to watch again.

I think that I've seen this much passion (and a hell of a lot more, actually) for pretty much every episode this season -- except, maybe, "Toxic".

And, for me, "SV" has been fun all along... this was, in a lot of ways, the worst episode of the season for me.

This particular storyline... I won't say I'm passionate about it. I don't feel strongly one way or the other.... I'm waiting to see how it plays out.

[Meteror Freak]

Oh please! Chloes' character is the longest lasting character on the show besides the main character - clark. She was his friend before she ever knew his secret. Now that she has forgotten, the writers can play around her character a bit. Don't worry, she'll remember his secret again. THis whole memory loss thing is temporary.

[moviefan2k4]

The whole "erase my powers from Chloe's memory" scene is basically the antithesis of their moment in "Arrival", where Clark tells her of his origins while they're in the Yukon.

[DontCha]

somehow i doubt it Meteor Freak

letting chloe a non mythos character know the secret was the biggest loose end ever created on the show and they have tied it away nicely. Thank you Ps3

[Poyntz]

if your going by the Mythos then clark shouldnt know lois yet either. And in some versions Johnathan kent does NOT die. I don't think martha becomes a politician and i can continue on and on and on.

[lillie_poo_pod]

In constant danger as a result of knowing the secret. Also with all her protesting that the secret wasn't a problem and was a problem Clark lifted that burden off her shoulders. Just go back and watch Peter Ross's exit from the show and see what a burden it is for knowing the secret. It almost killed him when you think about it. Her not knowing is a great thing. I don't get how people are missing that.

Again I repeat, Chloe was in constant danger way before she knew the secret. Her knowing his secret didn't raise or lower how much danger she was in. Chloe is not Pete. She loved knowing Clark's secret. If it was knowing was such a burden to Chloe she would have left like Pete did and made a fresh start, but she didn't. She stuck by Clark continuously. She risked her life time and time again willingly for this "burden". She knew the dangers of it all and still remained by Clark's side. She didn't need to think twice about it. So sorry I'm not seeing how this is such a great thing.

[Aries83]

somehow i doubt it Meteor Freak

letting chloe a non mythos character know the secret was the biggest loose end ever created on the show and they have tied it away nicely. Thank you Ps3

This is a TV series, not a comic book. Not everything in the comic book applies. She CAN be part of the mythos if they want her to be, even at this stage in the game.

[Storm45]

somehow i doubt it Meteor Freak

letting chloe a non mythos character know the secret was the biggest loose end ever created on the show and they have tied it away nicely. Thank you Ps3

Biggest than making Lex Luthor and Clark Kent best friends and have him discover his secret?

How does it matter if Chloe is a non mythos or not?

[MAR-MAR]

Okay Clark was wrong in taking Chloe's memory's. Four years down the drain is correct.
If you remember in "Cure" Clark was all concerned about Chloe not remembering him wasn't the line something like "you'll forget me" and he said it twice. And then Chloe saying in the loft in tonights episode to him something like I still remember you. Maybe it will just be repressed for awhile we can hope.

As far as everyone saying Clark didn't choose to tell Chloe his secret, I think he did. She didn't tell him he knew so that he could make the choice to tell her himself. He sure didn't have to tell her everything about being Kal-El he could of played it off as being a metor freak but he didn't. Clark chose to tell Chloe everything. Even about things that happened before she found out, things that he never even told Lana.

I thing the writers will give Chloe her memories back by the end of episode 11. So she can save Clark from Doomsday and protect him again. Because if they don't they should just kill her off now because she won't serve any purpose to the show or to any more storylines and I am a die hard Chlark fan so I hold out hope.

[Aries83]

Again I repeat, Chloe was in constant danger way before she knew the secret. Her knowing his secret didn't raise or lower how much danger she was in.

Exactly. How many times, before she knew, did she play cat and mouth with Lex and Lionel? She was always in danger because she was Clark's friend. Anyone close to Clark is automatically in danger whether they know his secret or not.

[Jade4813]

Actually you know what, i take it back

clark had every right to take the secret away from her because as Cedric has brought to attention,

Chloe finding out about Clark's secret was originally a VIOLATION of clark's privacy..its not her fault that she knows but it WAS a violation and he has every right to take the knowledge away from her.

I just can't agree with you here, DontCha. No, Clark didn't choose to let Chloe in on his secret. But stealing her memory of it - particularly after all this time - was still wrong.

If he didn't want her to know his secret, he should have tried to do something about it four years ago, when he found out she knew it. He didn't. Now, Chloe's had that knowledge of his secret for years. It's influenced what she's done. It's influenced who she's become. For good or for ill, having that knowledge changed her, and Clark has been perfectly fine with using the fact that she had that knowledge for his benefit.

Now he just decides that he doesn't want her to have it any longer? No, I'm sorry. It's not right.

Yeah, it sucks that Clark didn't get to make the choice to tell her his secret. And crap happens. He didn't choose to let Lex know his secret either. He didn't choose to tell Lana his secret. Hell, I don't know that he chose to let Martha and Jonathan know his secret either, since they knew about his abilities well before he recognized what they were and what they meant.

If Lois stumbled across his secret tomorrow without him telling her about it, I wouldn't want him wiping her memory of that knowledge. But, okay, immediately after the fact, I could deal with it. An emergency call in a bad situation.

If he let her keep that knowledge for three years and then decided to wipe her mind, though?

I don't care who the character is. He doesn't have the right to do that. Certainly not when he's been using the fact that she's had that knowledge to his benefit for years now. If he's been fine with knowing she knew his secret for three years, he loses the right to dictate whether or not she could keep it. Particularly since, in all that time, her knowing the secret has changed the person she's become. It influenced her decisions. So he didn't just take away his secret - something that was entirely himself. He took away a part of HER because in three years, SHE'S been changed by his secret. He's not just wiped the secret, he's had to have wiped the effect it had on her. And that he had no right to take away.

[DontCha]

Biggest than making Lex Luthor and Clark Kent best friends and have him discover his secret?

How does it matter if Chloe is a non mythos or not?

how does it matter? because Smallville is only a re-write of the early years and not a change of the endgame.

endgame:

Clark becomes superman
Lex and clark become enemies (and in the comics clark knew lex as a child, thats why they added it into Smallville)
Clark must end up with Lois Lane.

Anyone who does not belong to the mythos and are not in his future must not know the secret

Its been rather onvious through the years that they have been true to the mythos in this respect because throughout Smallville ANY character who is NOT part of the mythos and knows his secret either die, get a mindwipe or go insane.

chloe is no different, she had it coming too im sorry. The mistake was her knowing it for so long and that was due to bad writing. It created a massive loose end that had to be tied up before clark could properly move forward.

I'd rather a mindwipe for chloe than death to be quite honest..

[Jade4813]

I'd rather a mindwipe for chloe than death to be quite honest..

I'd have preferred death, myself. Because unless Clark punched Chloe in the face, thus directly causing her death, Chloe's death would have been sad, but it wouldn't have been a reflection on Clark.

They made Clark do a terrible thing tonight. That Chloe remembers or doesn't remember...I could have gone either way, if they'd done it well. But they did it in a way that makes Clark look terrible to me.

So I wish they'd have just killed her off, if that's what they were after. No need to mind wipe her first. Just...eliminate her from the equation. If that's what they're planning on doing, they should have just done it. If that's not what they're planning on doing, I wish I knew what they were after. Because if she just remembers his secret in the next episode, what's the point, other than to make Clark look terrible?

[Storm45]

how does it matter? because Smallville is only a re-write of the early years and not a change of the endgame.

endgame:

Clark becomes superman
Lex and clark become enemies (and in the comics clark knew lex as a child, thats why they added it into Smallville)
Clark must end up with Lois Lane.

Anyone who does not belong to the mythos and are not in his future must not know the secret.

Its been rather onvious through the years that they have been true to the mythos in this respect because throughout Smallville ANY character who is NOT part of the mythos and knows his secret either die, get a mindwipe or go insane.

chloe is no different, she had it coming too im sorry. The mistake was her knowing it for so long and that was due to bad writing. It created a massive loose end that had to be tied up before clark could properly move forward.

I'd rather a mindwipe for chloe than death to be quite honest..

How about the guy in Hug. He is not in the mythos and discovered Clark's secret. He didn't die, nor did he became insane or anything like that.


Sorry, I don't see how a non-mythos character knowing the secret disrupt the endgame. Chloe knowing the secret stood in the way of Clois? of Clark and Lex becoming ennemies? Of Clark becoming Superman? Because if its the case of any of these endgames its bad writing. Not just that Chloe knows the secret.


Also Lex and Clark in the comics were never best friends or close despite knowing each other a bit as kids.

[SteveS]

At first I was saddened, but it was ClarkMan who was the loser for what he felt was the best interest of the girl that he truly has feelings for, Chloe.

On the other hand, it is not Chloe's fate to be cursed to live happily ever after with little Jimmy, nor did I see anything to tell me that her powers were removed. So, lest I see signs of the latter, she can always re-learn about ClarkMan's powers, but the loss of years of the best friendship that he will ever experience can not be replaced.

[darkphoenix21]

Oh please! Chloes' character is the longest lasting character on the show besides the main character - clark. She was his friend before she ever knew his secret. Now that she has forgotten, the writers can play around her character a bit. Don't worry, she'll remember his secret again. THis whole memory loss thing is temporary.

I agree with the comment and everyone else who's stated the same thing, she is eventually going to get her memory back.

[pizzahead2490]

clark eraesd his scret from her memory? what? no way
man i cant wait to see this eppy saturday

[Aries83]

How about the guy in Hug. Sorry, I don't see how a non-mythos character knowing the secret disrupt the endgame. Chloe knowing the secret stood in the way of Clois? of Clark and Lex becoming ennemies? Of Clark becoming Superman? Because if its the case of any of these endgames its bad writing. Not just that Chloe knows the secret.

Neither do I, because:

1. Lois Lane came to Smallville
2. Lana Lang learned the secret
3. Clark and Lex became enemies
4. Clark and Lois are growing closer

This all happened WHILE Chloe's storyline was unfolding, so how exactly does her not being in the mythos affect anything in the end?

[DontCha]

Lana lang knows the secret in the comics so its allowed Aries

[Storm45]

Exactly, all those things which approach canon that Aries listed happened while Chloe knew the secret.

[DontCha]

How about the guy in Hug. He is not in the mythos and discovered Clark's secret. He didn't die, nor did he became insane or anything like that.
what man was this? i think its way more important for it to be taken away from chloe because she's a main character in this and she is evidently not a mythos character, she sticks out like a sore thumb knowing his secret, this guy in hug, not so much.

Sorry, I don't see how a non-mythos character knowing the secret disrupt the endgame. Chloe knowing the secret stood in the way of Clois? of Clark and Lex becoming ennemies? Of Clark becoming Superman? Because if its the case of any of these endgames its bad writing. Not just that Chloe knows the secret.

Of course it does or Ps3 would have never even done this. Now chloe is not closer to clark than lois is. Until now it was one the thing that made Chloe closer to clark than Lois. But now Lois is getting closer to him and thats how it should be by this point in the story. Chloe does not have this "1 up" anymore.

Clark was also implying last week that he was considering telling Lois his secret, where as with chloe it was a violation of his privacy he never wanted her to know it, it was not his choice for her to know. I've always felt that if Chloe was truly the person he trusted most/soulmate he would have told her but she's not, that sacred trust belongs to Lois Lane, his soulmate and no one else.


Also Lex and Clark in the comics were never best friends or close despite knowing each other a bit as kids.

yes they were, until clark caused an accident that burned off Lex's hair.

[Clana4Life]

I'm not mad about the memory erase. It was sad, but I think we all kind of knew it was coming. I just wonder what sort of storyline Chloe can possibly have now. She can't help Clark really. She can't work for JLA because that memory should be erased, too. They've separated Brainiac from her - much to my chagrin; I wanted to see "dark Chloe." Is the only thing keeping her character alive active Davis/Doomsday?

[Aries83]

Lana lang knows the secret in the comics so its allowed Aries

Not everything is according the comics. I merely said she learned the secret WHILE Chloe still knew the secret herself. That proves that she can co-exist with Clark and other characters.

[Animation]

It can go either way for Chloe. For now, she doesn't know. But, since she isn't in the mythos in the comics, they can decide to have her know or not know, and either way it doesnt defy the mythos because she is an addition.

Finally, the tv medium is entirely a different medium from the comics, and therefore doesn't have to follow the same results. Just as Marvel has the Ultimate Marvel where characters are different, and the Superman TAS has different events happen, and the X-Men movies wiggle and change character relationships, it is perfectly OK for Smallville to diverge with the mythos. Organic Web Shooters? OK in Spider-man movie, not ok in the comics (without a story backing it up).

It is a known and accepted thing that the tv and movie takes can differ.

That said, I liked Clark's choice. He is indeed taking on the arrogant mantle of Superman and playing god with people's lives. Now even his friends aren't off limits. So, they are definitely keeping with this mythos there, which makes me happy.

Lewis

[kimmiss]

I think they know Allison can act her ______ off so they are giving her something to work with...

[Theshadow129x]

like i said it was needed. i cant explain it but i like it this way.

[Storm45]

Of course it does or Ps3 would have never even done this. Now chloe is not closer to clark than lois is. Until now it was one the thing that made Chloe closer to clark than Lois. But now Lois is getting closer to him and thats how it should be by this point in the story. Chloe does not have this "1 up" anymore.

Clark was also implying last week that he was considering telling Lois his secret, where as with chloe it was a violation of his privacy he never wanted her to know it, it was not his choice for her to know. I've always felt that if Chloe was truly the person he trusted most/soulmate he would have told her but she's not, that sacred trust belongs to Lois Lane, his soulmate and no one else.


Lana Lang doesn't know the secret in the comics also?

yes they were, until clark caused an accident that burned off Lex's hair.

Back then Clark had already a dual identity. He was SuperBoy. Lex felt close to Superboy. Clark was just a classmate, so he never came close to discover the secret. In Smallville, there's no such thing as a dual identity, so Lex came close to Clark Kent.

[kalel5313]

I honestly don't believe that the whole mind wipe thing is gonna last. Somewhere down the line she's probably gonna remember everything. I really doubt that the "PS3" team want Chloe to be in the dark when she's known the truth for 4 years. Seriously... there would be WAY too many holes in her memories. It'd be like "Hey remember that one time when I was about to be killed by that one superpowered psycho, and then Clark showed up somehow and the guy ended up getting knocked out, but it didn't have anything to do with Clark? That was weird."

[Alicia Chipy]

I 'd rather Chloe work out her other problems ie;doomstalker,Braniac brain drain,insecure husband w/o the added burden of Clark's secret.Lets see what AM does with this new curve thrown into her role.

[bluewolv1970]

This was the perfect example of lazy writing. Instead of finding a creative way of dealing with Chloe(not that they even need to) knowing they took the easy and lame route. For me Smallville ended at the end of Season 7 when Millar and Gough left. The PTB have destroyed THE core relationship on the show as well as Clark's integrity amd Character. In addition the plotholes created by the episode are beyond ignoring:

1) Lana, Pete, Martha, Lex, and a few others know his secret as well. Is he going to find them and wipe their memories as well to "protect" them. I mean his Mom would be the first he would want to "protect" wouldn't he? What about Pete (who, by the way considered the secret even MORE of a burden than Chloe ever did) yet he managed to go on living his life danger free while knowing.

2) All of those Memories made Chloe the person she is today. Taking them away would drastically change her entire outlook on life and would in some way affect all of her relationships. I mean why would she want to run ISIS now for example? Wouldn't she go back to wanting to be a journalist? Not to mention that there IS NO WAY you could remove all of those memories and have her have a normal memory timeline. Chloe would probably go insane. That is a plothole that is way to difficult to get past even by Smallville rules.

3) Erasing a person's memories, drastically changing who they are is rape, and is something that Brainiac does (oh wait he did) not the man that becomes Superman. I do not think Clark would ever make that decision for someone else and definately not for his "best friend".

4) In regards to Chloe not being in the mythos thus needing to forgot who Clark is, well all I have to say is that it is pretty clear by now that this is not the Superman comic mythos but the Smallville tv mythos (as I am pretty certain that Doomsday didn't fight Superman in Smallville when he was just Clark Kent in the comics)

5) Clark obviously knows nothing about true friendship. Friendship is about trust. Trust is Trusting your friends to give what THEY want of themselves as a part of your life. Trusting your friends to be adults and make their own decisions.

6) If they really wanted to end the Clark Chloe relationship why didn't they just leave her in prison from the end of Season 7? Why did they even bother to bring her back? At least that way her way relationship with Clark from the past four seasons would still be valid. Why bring her back just to destroy four seaons of storytelling?

7) We no longer have Clarks best friend knowing his identity, but his worst enemy (and presumably the type of person that you would create a secret identity to prevent from knowing) is alive and KNOWS his identity.

[SteveS]

I honestly don't believe that the whole mind wipe thing is gonna last. Somewhere down the line she's probably gonna remember everything. I really doubt that the "PS3" team want Chloe to be in the dark when she's known the truth for 4 years. Seriously... there would be WAY too many holes in her memories. It'd be like "Hey remember that one time when I was about to be killed by that one superpowered psycho, and then Clark showed up somehow and the guy ended up getting knocked out, but it didn't have anything to do with Clark? That was weird."

I think that you are on to something as I think Chloe will still reappear as Watchtower and I didn't see anything that tells me that her powers are gone. Once she dumps Jimmy, should that happen, she is still the one that has proven by her innate qualities of mind and character that ClarkMan can depend on. Time will tell and Chloe has a full slate of episodes in which she can appear. :)

[Animation]

3) Erasing a person's memories, drastically changing who they are is rape, and is something that Brainiac does (oh wait he did) not the man that becomes Superman. I do not think Clark would ever make that decision for someone else and definately not for his "best friend".

I totally agree.

[bluewolv1970]

I honestly don't believe that the whole mind wipe thing is gonna last. Somewhere down the line she's probably gonna remember everything. I really doubt that the "PS3" team want Chloe to be in the dark when she's known the truth for 4 years. Seriously... there would be WAY too many holes in her memories. It'd be like "Hey remember that one time when I was about to be killed by that one superpowered psycho, and then Clark showed up somehow and the guy ended up getting knocked out, but it didn't have anything to do with Clark? That was weird."


exactly.

[ceve2001]

I haven't been a Chloe fan, but she was really growing to me this season. I like how confident she is, and how she can hold her own even against Clark. She's the person that can keep Clark on his feet, but now it's over :( I feel like she was cheated by Clark. She told Clark and emphasized it too that finding out his ability is very important to her and she wouldn't ever want to change that. It should be her choice to keep or not to keep her memories of Clark.

I was really saddened by this episode. Don't get me wrong this is by far my favorite episode of the season, and that's a big thing since I wasn't a Chloe fan at all ever since the beginning of Smallville, but this season Chloe just blew me away. I love her character. I know Clark means well, but I just feel like this is the old Clark. The one that's afraid of letting people in, the one who thinks the solution to everything is for him to keep it all to himself. Chloe was his confidant.

I also don't agree how Jo-rel states how Clark has matured. He refers to his abilities as a burden. Why does he still consider it that way? Idk maybe not a lot of people agree with me, but Clark...sometimes seems selfish to me. For instance when he grabbed the list of people who had special abilities. Clark kept insisting what he did was right. Right now I don't see it.

I'm really sad that the show took away Chloe's memories. I mean look at her memories of Clark. He was the last one she remembers besides Davis, but Davis cheated ofcourse. The way she held Clark's hand knowing she'd die if she were to lose him if she let go of his hand was really touching.

I can only hope that Chloe somehow figures out what Clark did to her, and actually get mad at him because I' am!!! :) So on the next episode LANA ppppleeeaseee can you tell Chloe about Clark's abilities. She has to remember! SHE MUST!!!!!

[Rhaspodel]

I felt they were going to do this some point down in the road, poor Chloe...learning she's a meteor freak, and then her mother can control people who have metoer abilities then she gets jealous Jimmy is dating Kara then she gets fired from the DP by Lex then she gets injected by Brainiac 2.0 and then she gets engaged to Jimmy then she adopts a bomb freak then she has feelings and is protecting Davis then she gets these strange powers and is being take under control by Brainiac and then her wedding is next thursday...poor Chloe...

[Who]

I liked it best when Chloe knew Clark's secret, but Clark didn't know she knew. Anyway, Chloe not knowing Clark's secret again is a big shocker. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[Bre723]

I was sooooo mad!
yelling at the tv,haha.
but seriously what if oliver or lana brings his secret up?
maybe it's still there buried in the back of her mind somewhere.
and how can she not remember the last 4 years?
I HATE that, hduducbdjcbdjsbvwyrfb.
so much of her life was involved w/ clark and his secret?
you'd think she'd have these big holes in her life, that made no sense.

[hemmy]

And they finally did the one thing I was always afraid they would do. They took away Chloe's memories of Clark's abilities. The most sacred connection on this show, is now a lie. And the worst part is... they had Clark do it. He made the choice to rape Chloe of her memories.

And thus this series ends for me.

:rolleyes: Words cannot explain how ridiculous this is.

[ceve2001]

I'm gonna repost what I posted on a similar topic about Chloe:

I haven't been a Chloe fan, but she was really growing to me this season. I like how confident she is, and how she can hold her own even against Clark. She's the person that can keep Clark on his feet, but now it's over I feel like she was cheated by Clark. She told Clark and emphasized it too that finding out his ability is very important to her and she wouldn't ever want to change that. It should be her choice to keep or not to keep her memories of Clark.

I was really saddened by this episode. Don't get me wrong this is by far my favorite episode of the season, and that's a big thing since I wasn't a Chloe fan at all ever since the beginning of Smallville, but this season Chloe just blew me away. I love her character. I know Clark means well, but I just feel like this is the old Clark. The one that's afraid of letting people in, the one who thinks the solution to everything is for him to keep it all to himself. Chloe was his confidant.

I also don't agree how Jo-rel states how Clark has matured. He refers to his abilities as a burden. Why does he still consider it that way? Idk maybe not a lot of people agree with me, but Clark...sometimes seems selfish to me. For instance when he grabbed the list of people who had special abilities. Clark kept insisting what he did was right. Right now I don't see it.

I'm really sad that the show took away Chloe's memories. I mean look at her memories of Clark. He was the last one she remembers besides Davis, but Davis cheated ofcourse. The way she held Clark's hand knowing she'd die if she were to lose him if she let go of his hand was really touching.

I can only hope that Chloe somehow figures out what Clark did to her, and actually get mad at him because I' am!!! So on the next episode LANA ppppleeeaseee can you tell Chloe about Clark's abilities. She has to remember! SHE MUST!!!!!

I also want to add that I' am mad at the show for doing this to Chloe. So what's next? Lois forgets she was ever in Smallville and Clark, and they don't actually meet until he starts wearing the cape? Sigh...

[REebee52]

I always feared they would do this. "Chloe isn't even in the comics, how can she know Clark's secret?"
I don't mind that the people closest to Clark know his secret. It makes it more realistic, in my opinion. It's like the new Batman movies, there's like a 'team Batman' going on. Heroes need help.
I loved the episode, but God that makes me angry. And it seems like everyone here is thrilled!
Does anyone REMEMBER Chloe before she knew Clark's secret. She was whiny and nosey and annoying. She said so herself, the secret changed her for the better. Who does Clark think he is to make that decision for her? And I don't buy this 'noble' act that he did because it would 'save' her. Plenty of people have almost died without knowing Clark's secret. ARGGHHH CHLOE COME BACK.
On the plus side, it does allow Lana to take the place that she was supposed to have (Clark's best friend and confidant)

[Who]

So was it Jor-El or Brainiac who okayed the memory wipe?

[lm1212]

The worst thing about Chloe's memory wipe in my opinion is that Clark will have to find someone else to confide in. Other than that, it's fine...she may even get them back in some episode soon to come.

[Bre723]

This was the perfect example of lazy writing. Instead of finding a creative way of dealing with Chloe(not that they even need to) knowing they took the easy and lame route. For me Smallville ended at the end of Season 7 when Millar and Gough left. The PTB have destroyed THE core relationship on the show as well as Clark's integrity amd Character. In addition the plotholes created by the episode are beyond ignoring:

1) Lana, Pete, Martha, Lex, and a few others know his secret as well. Is he going to find them and wipe their memories as well to "protect" them. I mean his Mom would be the first he would want to "protect" wouldn't he? What about Pete (who, by the way considered the secret even MORE of a burden than Chloe ever did) yet he managed to go on living his life danger free while knowing.

2) All of those Memories made Chloe the person she is today. Taking them away would drastically change her entire outlook on life and would in some way affect all of her relationships. I mean why would she want to run ISIS now for example? Wouldn't she go back to wanting to be a journalist? Not to mention that there IS NO WAY you could remove all of those memories and have her have a normal memory timeline. Chloe would probably go insane. That is a plothole that is way to difficult to get past even by Smallville rules.

3) Erasing a person's memories, drastically changing who they are is rape, and is something that Brainiac does (oh wait he did) not the man that becomes Superman. I do not think Clark would ever make that decision for someone else and definately not for his "best friend".

4) In regards to Chloe not being in the mythos thus needing to forgot who Clark is, well all I have to say is that it is pretty clear by now that this is not the Superman comic mythos but the Smallville tv mythos (as I am pretty certain that Doomsday didn't fight Superman in Smallville when he was just Clark Kent in the comics)

5) Clark obviously knows nothing about true friendship. Friendship is about trust. Trust is Trusting your friends to give what THEY want of themselves as a part of your life. Trusting your friends to be adults and make their own decisions.

6) If they really wanted to end the Clark Chloe relationship why didn't they just leave her in prison from the end of Season 7? Why did they even bother to bring her back? At least that way her way relationship with Clark from the past four seasons would still be valid. Why bring her back just to destroy four seaons of storytelling?

7) We no longer have Clarks best friend knowing his identity, but his worst enemy (and presumably the type of person that you would create a secret identity to prevent from knowing) is alive and KNOWS his identity.


I totally agree w/ everything that you said.
Reminds me of what Chloe said in "Blank"
"You trusted me".
apparently not anymore.

[WildGoatTamer]

How in the world is the story going to move without Chloe knowing Clark's secret? It's not like Clark is gonna start talking to himself so he has someone to help him figure out how to beat up the baddies and so that the viewers understand what the story is doing.

Sure Lana will be there for a while but then what? And to think I had so much faith in PS3. -_-

[Animation]

Yeah as far as I am concerned, she isn't even the same person anymore. She is someone else. My step-father suffered brain damage from a heart attack and then passed away shortly thereafter. His memories and intellect made him who he was. If you take that away, you change who it is. During that brief period, he wasn't himself anymore. The oxygen deprivation changed his mind. The man I loved as a father was gone. I know that is real life serious stuff, but it is still the same idea. That isn't Chloe anymore. She may be a functioning person but she isn't the same. He warped her.

Lewis

[dimeo782002]

im sorry im disgusted and heart broken i have done nothing but cry. i was fine till clark told jorel to wipe his secret then niagra falls down my face ! i cried and even muttered a no.

then to make things worse the preview for next weeks episode. ugh ! he goes in for a kiss with lois. i started crying all over again. why do they have to be together on smallville ...why ?

if chloe does not have her memeories of clarks secret by the end of episode 12 im litterally finished and i mean it FINISHED with smallville! this is horse ****.

what he said was very touching wanting to give her a life safe from his secret but Chloe specifically told him his secret changed her life for the better and she had no regrets.

i hope this blows up in his face so bad and im glad lana is coming back for five episodes just to see something else get put on hold cause im not ready for that love fest !
although the only thing i liked was that clark does seem more mature and maore supermanish.

he does have real feelings for chloe but i still feel he made a mistake and this is not the show i signed on for. is this really necessary ?

i get it and i understand clark but it still hurts.

PS3 mind wipes chloe sullivan from being clarks closet confidonte and sidekick and then the preview for next week shows clark leaning in for a kiss with lois.... now you tell me why PS3 did this ? well i guess i don't need to explain.

you want mythos fine, whatever but you didn't have to destroy chlark to get your iconic relationship.

yes imo it's destroyed ! it is so obvious why this was done . im so glad lana is coming back to screw things up at least for a little while.

the epsiode was good BUT the ends do not justify the means. i just don't like what is happening.

they ruined smallville this was supposed to be the journey and from what i see for next weeks episode it is no longer smallville it is superman/lois and clark.

now all i have to do i buy some comics and go rewatch the superman films i no longer need to watch smallville because in MYTHOS when clark /superman is with lois he is already superman. so i guess the show is finished i love how they throw around iconic and mythos when this show has botched and screwed up all the time lines in superman history and mythology. this is the new superman reboot they don't even need to make the movie now.

i gave this episode a 1 because it was deliberately written to kill the chlark dynamic and fluff another pairing for the sake of a better iconic audience. after all they can't have two girls as clarks best confidonte so now they have paved the way for it to be handed over to someone else that is more worthy of knowing his secret to the iconic audience. bleh im disgusted beyond imagination.


im not saying chloe and chlark has to be a romantic couple but hwy wipe the best friendship on television?

i know tomake way for... never mind im just sick over it. this is not smallville any longer it is called superman the reboot .

[Animation]

WHOA! Wacky thread merge. I replied to a small thread with few posts. Oh well. Page 8. :)

Lewis

[smallviluva]

:rolleyes: Words cannot explain how ridiculous this is.

Im just very confused lol...i loved the episode, and i totlaly unerstand clarks decision and how hard it was etc...but the thing is basically every singly memory of her and clark since she learnt his secret mentions/references his secret and his abilities in some way, so basically wat im trying to get at is, now that she has no memory of his ability etc, then does that mean all her memorie of clark since highschool are gone??? they became better friedns because of the scret, that means she must still be like in highschool thinking hes hiding something from her... how can she have any memories of clark left without his ability????? some one who understands plzzz explain!!! lol, ok i got that out of my system now lol...

[cklookalike89]

It hurt for me to watch that. I couldnt believe they actually let it happen. Hopefully she will get the memories back somehow. They are still friends but not the way they were when she knew.

[FLyxNERD]

only one that knows now is oliver,lana and pete...

[HeartChakraBabe]

I want to cry I am so angry right now. They finally did the absolutely unforgivable, and through them (TPTB) Clark did the unforgivable. WHO SAVED HIS BUTT MULTIPLE TIMES THE LAST THREE OR MORE YEARS?!!! CHLOE!!! And he just went and mind-raped her, AFTER SHE TOLD HIM SHE WOULD NEVER WANT TO FORGET!!!!

[chlarked_foever89]

I think it was a ridiculous move. Why would you create so much of a storyline previous to this event of Chloe knowing his secret if your just there to take it down? It doesn't make any sense. Clark is giving up on Chloe essentially, he is "letting go" of their frienship in order to save her, yet it isn't even going to help because Doomsday is still in love with her? HELLO Clark seems so stupid to me right now because he could know who doomsday is if Chloe still knew his secret. If she still knew it, she could connect the dots, to Davis creepy doings? Ugh. I seriously have a love/ hate relationship with this show. There have been so many times when I've felt like kicking the habit!

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

Not to mention she will probably just find out again! WTF!

[Mini Wolfsbane]

Edited because of thread merge by me.

I knew Chloe was going to be healed, but I didn't see this coming.
When Clark said it my inner reaction was "NOOOOOO! CHLOE!!"

I'm probably not as upset as you might be, but it is annoying.
Chloe and Clark were a team of sorts. And now that's gone, probably forever.

I understand he can't be Superman with a sidekick (Except for Supergirl and Krypto,
but let's not go there), but this is Chloe. She's been there since the pilot, and even
if she didn't know his secret then, they were always buddies.
Now with this and Jimmy in the picture and the two of them getting married, like real life, it won't be the same at all. (I know this because I'm going through/have gone through
what Clark is going through with Chloe getting married. My BFF got married and I haven't
talked to her in a long time.) So, it's just setting up things for Chloe to be written out
of Clark's life for good and really don't want to see that. She's always been my favorite character next to Clark (and Lex, to an extent). The show just isn't the same with most of the cast gone and now they've taken away one of those special bonds between
two very awesome characters. :(

...It makes me like Jimmy a little less. He's taking Chloe away from me and Clark. Noooo!

It really wasn't Clark's decision to make, but Chloe didn't have much choice since she didn't remember anything except Davis and her own name, so in this instance it's forgiveable.

:mad: Darn it. They didn't HAVE to do it. I mean, come on, like you said, people died without knowing his secret and you're totally right, it makes things more realistic.
Besides all that, in Blank Chloe said she always suspected Clark had ablities anyway, and she's such a smart cookie, who's to say she won't suspect/figure it out on her own again?

Man, I hate when they make changes like this in a perfectly good show.

[myankskent]

I'm not sure what to think about Clark's decision. I can understand him wanting Chloe to forget in order to protect her, but Chloe is already in way over her head. Making her forget is not going to get Brainiac to leave her alone at this point.

[chlark-x]

What the hell was the point of it. i was so angry when clark told jor-el to make her forget about him and it makes me so angry

and then when chloe said to clark later on that a drive to metropolis takes like 2 hours and he drives like a grandma the look on his face completely serves him right for being so damn selfish

if chloe is in danger by knowing clark's secret why dosn't he take Lana's, Pete's and Oliver's memories away as well.. he has to single out his one best friend, the one always there for him because he is so stupid (it's quite obvious im angry at this)

i really hope she remembers about him otherwise it really was just a big fat waste of four years!

[dru-zod2501]

:rolleyes: Words cannot explain how ridiculous this is.
no more ridiculous than the "OMFG No Lois for the next 5 epis!!! How dare those ____? If Lois isn't back by episode 15 I'm boycotting the show & sending CW all the hate mail I can write" types of responses which I've seen on some threads.

at least Clarks Blue Eyed Angel has a reasonable grievance, and I empathize

[superspider02]

ok well its my time to throw in my 2cents about chloe's memories since i am the maker of this thread. First off i did enjoy the episode alot and it was a very sad episode too. I did love seeing past episode memories, and the flashes between memories that that was very cool. Now when this episode was announced awhile ago i was so hoping she wouldnt get clark memory wiped and i was fearing that all night long. I was *****ing at my tv for awhile when it got wiped away. Its sad to see their 4 yr change of relationship gone now and back to where it was before alica revealed clark's powers to chloe. I do hope either her memories will return to her on her own, or clark decides to retell her again later.

[ceve2001]

Yeah I'm hoping she regains her memories at a later episode. It just doesn't make sense for the show to throw everything away like that.

[superspider02]

yea i know kills the development they have gone with clark and chloe, and the whole justice league stuff and all that. They just lost a viable assest to the team.

[SinoSupermanfromSD]

I loved it. The mythological purity is being restored. Praise Rao!

haha... now that I've sounded totally geeky... have no fear Chloe fans... I bet this memory loss won't last forever... esp. with her being weaved into the Doomsday storyline and I don't think Brainiac was totally purged from her. There'll prob come a point where she'll regain them.

I think what I'll say next is spoilery (so I've camouflaged it), but I wonder if Clark's decision to have Chloe's memory selectively wipe is the mistake that certain superheroes from the future are going to be sent back to correct in a later episode.

[ginnyfan]

I was blown away -- now Clark is really alone.

I know it's so sad! When Chloe first forgot, and Clark was trying to jog her memory... I felt so sorry for him.

Maybe Clark will have to tell her his secret on his own terms now. After all, Doomsday already has sights set on Chloe, and whether or not she knows the secret, she is in danger.

Oh good thinking. That would be cool.

I liked it best when Chloe knew Clark's secret, but Clark didn't know she knew. Anyway, Chloe not knowing Clark's secret again is a big shocker. Can't wait to see what happens next.

Me too! I still have faith in PS3. Davis already has formed an attachment to Chloe. Chloe still works with the Justice League. Secret or no secret... Chloe isn't safe. There are going to be unforeseen consequences to Clark's hasty, nearsighted though misguidedly selfless decision.

[marikology]

I don't think 4 years of memories are gone. He specified to make her forget krypton and his abilities. She'll still remember all their friendship moments without the secret, maybe nto all the saves, but... She'll still remember the JLA missions-- Ollie doesn't have powers, so I don't see why they would hinge on Clark's. Their friendship was never based on it anyway. In the early seasons, he would go to her and they'd investigate together, and he'd go save the day without her knowing. IMO, similar memories like those from the past four years will remain intact-- she will just forget that he saved the day. Their reactions for the past four years were not solely based on his secret and while it IS a huge part of her life, it's not like she's been wiped clean.

Anyway, all this is a moot point. I'm not that worried cos they did a pretty good job of selling that it's a bad idea and not permanent. First, she's still Brainiac-infected. He deleted the memories, so when he's out, she'll be fine. Second, they set up that her memories of Clark were the only thing keeping her intact, and the last to go, at which point Davis/Dooms entered. Last, Clark felt the impact of what he'd done from their very next (quite mundane) conversioon. He'll quickly realize that Chloe fares better when she knows what she's up against.

[bluewolv1970]

I don't think 4 years of memories are gone. He specified to make her forget krypton and his abilities. She'll still remember all their friendship moments without the secret, maybe nto all the saves, but... She'll still remember the JLA missions-- Ollie doesn't have powers, so I don't see why they would hinge on Clark's. Their friendship was never based on it anyway. In the early seasons, he would go to her and they'd investigate together, and he'd go save the day without her knowing. IMO, similar memories like those from the past four years will remain intact-- she will just forget that he saved the day. Their reactions for the past four years were not solely based on his secret and while it IS a huge part of her life, it's not like she's been wiped clean.

Anyway, all this is a moot point. I'm not that worried cos they did a pretty good job of selling that it's a bad idea and not permanent. First, she's still Brainiac-infected. He deleted the memories, so when he's out, she'll be fine. Second, they set up that her memories of Clark were the only thing keeping her intact, and the last to go, at which point Davis/Dooms entered. Last, Clark felt the impact of what he'd done from their very next (quite mundane) conversioon. He'll quickly realize that Chloe fares better when she knows what she's up against.


Actually most of the memories WOULD be gone. Example CHloe's entire memory of being in the hospital in the Alps would have to be deleted because of it being directly linked to clarks powers thus thats one day (at least) deleted from her memory.

[Jade4813]

I suspect they'll either a) ignore the plot holes or b) we are to assume that Jor-El, in wiping her memories, gave her "filler" ones instead. Close to the truth, without actually being the truth. So, instead of being in the hospital after Brainiac's attack because he...Brainiaced her, she'll remember she was in the hospital because...she got mugged and the bad guy conked her on the head. Or something.

Or, they'll ignore it. I'm really leaning towards that as being the most likely.

[wolverine316]

I am ecstatic that Chloe is no longer a confidant to Clark. Completely selfless act on Clark's part. Hello Superman!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZODisGOD]

I can't be the only here who's happy about the Chloe mindwipe.

[Mr.Magic]

Actually most of the memories WOULD be gone. Example CHloe's entire memory of being in the hospital in the Alps would have to be deleted because of it being directly linked to clarks powers thus thats one day (at least) deleted from her memory.

There are Alps in Alaska?

[Black Panda]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "PS3" team did this to deliberately make the diehard Chlark fans sweat, all while planning to reverse the effects later down the road.
Well of course they did. They did a whole episode about the villian ripping the life from this character then they had the hero do it? They know it can't stand. They are just setting up the conflict to emphasize how integral she has become in his life.

I'm convinced they could have handled this without making Clark look like a fool though.

Remember the "crib sheets?" The files on the computers at the Isis Foundation that she used to keep her memory straight. They're still there....I almost forgot about that.
No way is Clark going to erase all the clues to what she lost, even if he may catch the most obvious. He has investigated enough trails to understand that things get left behind that one doesn't think of immedidately. Assuming Brainiac were gone, which I don't think is the case, she should be hot on the trail to the mystery soon, and in more danger because of her ignorance.

It'd be like "Hey remember that one time when I was about to be killed by that one superpowered psycho, and then Clark showed up somehow and the guy ended up getting knocked out, but it didn't have anything to do with Clark? That was weird."
Again, isn't he smart enough to know this?

Chloe was in constant danger before knowing the secret. And I'm positive that she'll be in danger after the mind wipe.
Of course she will be. This is the most ridiculous super-hero cliche in the book. Just because we have heard it time and again doesn't make it make sense.

Your memories are what make you the person you are today. So how can she be the same person now?
This is the guy who's judgement or lack thereof risks the Earth? How depressing.

[
Not to mention that there IS NO WAY you could remove all of those memories and have her have a normal memory timeline. Chloe would probably go insane. That is a plothole that is way to difficult to get past even by Smallville rules.
Yeah, I think it will be reversed quickly because it's so obviously absurd. It's just to underscore a point.

Really, couldn't Clark have talked a little bit about the stupid trade so we could have gotten the sense he had decided half a life for her was better than none? It still would have been dickish and misguided to make the descision, but to at least show he understood something about the consequences of his actions?

[/B]And he just went and mind-raped her, AFTER SHE TOLD HIM SHE WOULD NEVER WANT TO FORGET!!!!
It really adds insult to injury. Remember how she honored Ollie's wishes and trusted him? Oh Clark, you idiot.

The whole "erase my powers from Chloe's memory" scene is basically the antithesis of their moment in "Arrival", where Clark tells her of his origins while they're in the Yukon.
Right, there is a reason he told her, and a reason she will be his partner again.

[SIZE=2]This was the perfect example of lazy writing.
Or gimmicky. One of the two. Definately a hack move.


I don't know, but whoever wrote it needs to be water boarded.
Word.

[bluewolv1970]

I suspect they'll either a) ignore the plot holes or b) we are to assume that Jor-El, in wiping her memories, gave her "filler" ones instead. Close to the truth, without actually being the truth. So, instead of being in the hospital after Brainiac's attack because he...Brainiaced her, she'll remember she was in the hospital because...she got mugged and the bad guy conked her on the head. Or something.

Or, they'll ignore it. I'm really leaning towards that as being the most likely.

Well last year revolved mostly around Veritas which is tied directly to Clark, all those memories would have to be deleted because you really can't replace them with comparable memories, and that basically is another year that Chloe loses.

[The Great Ymmij]

I thought it was a good decision to wipe Chloe's memory of Clark's abilities. She was never supposed to be so heavily involved in Clark's journey to becoming Superman. Now she can finally be what she was intended to be from the beginning: Clark's best friend from high school.

[bluewolv1970]

I loved it. The mythological purity is being restored. Praise Rao!

haha... now that I've sounded totally geeky... have no fear Chloe fans... I bet this memory loss won't last forever... esp. with her being weaved into the Doomsday storyline and I don't think Brainiac was totally purged from her. There'll prob come a point where she'll regain them.

I think what I'll say next is spoilery (so I've camouflaged it), but I wonder if Clark's decision to have Chloe's memory selectively wipe is the mistake that certain superheroes from the future are going to be sent back to correct in a later episode.


Given that clark is about to battle doomsday and he can't fly yet and does not even have a costume, i would not consider the mythological purity being restored

[Mummbles]

On the upside Alison gets to play happy Chloe like in Season 1 and such now. Instead of having the weight on the world on her shoulders.

Though what I don't understand is before she knew she always wanted to know what Clark was hiding, now she doesn't know it again so in her mind she never would have stopped trying to figure out Clark because she never got an answer. So won't she still be yearning to figure out Clark's secret now she doesn't know it?

[Atomic girl]

Pete didn't handle Clark's secret well. Chloe on the other hand....

I feel like Chloe has been close to Clark for a long time and everybody knows how important she is to him. I don't think she's in any less danger, but now she doesn't know she's in danger. Maybe her stress level is lower, but her ability to watch out for danger has been taken from her, and Clark can't watch her at all times. I hope this is rectified at some point, I just don't buy that "Chloe can go back".

[deusexmachina]

I agree with a lot of the posts, especially those of Bella 882 , Ionlanthe , Jade 4813 , BlueWolv1970 , and HeartChakraBabe . who is PS3 by the way? is that a nickname for the writers?

It is rape, and to be done to your best friend with benefits is especially not an action of a protector.

if his argument was to protect chloe, he should know that ignorance does not make you safe, especially in smallville/metropolis with what all that goes on in the show/their lives.

just because chloe's origin is in the show, doesn't mean that she is not in the mythos now,

this ties into the anti-rape argument

( I shouldn't even have to use that word )

By wiping her memories/ and experiences, and feelings, clark is saying he doesn't trust chloe, and this is wholly out of character for him, so I look towards the writing team to blame.

And if he knows chloe in the slightest, he should know that she would discover his secret again faster than you cay say codename impulse, which means that clark is getting stupider. I'm looking towards the writing team again, and their diction coach, (is stupider a word?)

( I'm going to take a tangent - even in this episode, she tried to save chlark the memory from the brainiac the brainfold showing how much she cares for their relationship and him, OK, back from the tangent )

- The writers have attempted to gerrymander the show for some wb corporate style editing to take it into the feature film realm by cutting out the one character that is in love with clark, forget future clark, even if he became superman tomorrow, I can't even suggest a death for chloe, so I suppose that I want them to change the mythos outright, as I am always for unexpected tangents, which the character of chloe sullivan has become.

-And even though I was for making the leap into motion pictures for this show I won't support said idea unless chloe sullivan appears sans jimmy olsen spouse and retaining full disclosure of what happened in the series ( making her jimmy olsen's girl just demotes the character that much more to a person that doesn't appear because she has been turned into a stepford wife, thanks to some other poster for using that reference ,

-And is jimmy married in the old mythos?

[myankskent]

I can't be the only here who's happy about the Chloe mindwipe.


I wouldn't care about the mindwipe if I felt that it was necessary. IMO, it just wasn't necessary for Clark to erase Chloe's memory of him. At the end of the day, whether Chloe knows about Clark or not, Brainiac will still use her and Doomsday will still want to be with her so Chloe is not in any less danger as a result of her not knowing.

[mysticalweather]

I hate so much that Clark decided to keep Chloe's memories from her.

Seriously Clark, I know you want to protect her, but perhaps you should've thought about that *before* Chloe found out. You never were all that careful about using your powers where anyone could see. Now you've taken 4 years of Chloe's memories. How is that protection??

I hope to goodness that Chloe regains her past. Soon!

And then I hope she gives Clark down the road for making that kind of decision for her.

[unfocused]

I'm happy that Clark mindraped Chloe.

:)

[MeKa]

As other posters above have suggested, I don't think it's permanent. Then again I don't trust PS3. They've been deconstructing Chloe and her relationship with the BDA most of last season and now. I don't agree with what he did but as usual "it's for your own good" is the raison d etre.

[unex||den||adel]

this whole thing, is hard to take.

tell me, how many of u crying watching this. i know i did.

and right after watching the epi, i run through everything i had on chlark, season 1-7 vid, songs, picture, just to remind me that they isnt really over, not like this. not like this.

[mysticalweather]

Not to mention that there IS NO WAY you could remove all of thos memories and have have a normaly memory timeline. Chloe would probably go insane. That is a plothole that is way to difficult to get past even by Smallville rules.


Yup. I'm a firm believer that a person is the sum of their experiences. Take those experiences away, and you take away some of the person they've become. Simply put, Chloe without her memories is *not* just "same old Chloe but she doesn't know anything about Clark's secret". Uh no. And if they write her as same old/same old I'll be sooooo mad! Clark has taken away deep, emotional, life-altering events from her memory bank. The kinds of things that shape who you are, who you strive to be. And she simply cannot be the Chloe we know and love if she doesn't know the truth about her experiences over the last 4 years.

I'd really hate to see them do that to her character.


Yeah, I think it will be reversed quickly because it's so obviously absurd. It's just to underscore a point.



I hope you are right Black Panda...

[unex||den||adel]

this whole thing, is hard to take.

tell me, how many of u crying watching this. i know i did.

and right after watching the epi, i run through everything i had on chlark, season 1-7 vid, songs, picture, just to remind me that they isnt really over, not like this. not like this.

[maryjanewatson]

As soon as Chloe said to clark "what abilities?" I knew he was going to tell Jor-El to make it so she doesn't remember anything about his powers.

I don't mind. I love it when he has to hide his powers, or has to make excuses. Plus, maybe she'll get to find out all over again. I also love it when someone close to him finds out, and they just freak out.

[Bizarrolover]

I liked that she doesn't remember Clark's abilities. It's kind of a regression to the time he came up with lame excuses and hide them from her, but it can open a whole new variety of possibilities. Though I don't think it will be permanent. Brainiac will still try to exploit the connection Dommy has with Chloe and Allison plays the hacker/sidekick too well to take that away from her character.

[Chlois Supporter]

Something tells me she's going to learn the secret by the end of the season, but this time it will be of Clark's own choosing.

[Clark-Lois]

i cried when Clark told Jor-El to take away Chloe's memories of his powers. I think (hope) that the memory wipe is temporary, she remembers on her own, or clark tell her himself.

Onto another thing. I did not realize that the girl that Clark was going to kiss in the bride trailer was lois. I honestly thought it was Lana, but only because they showed lana appearing before the kiss. when someone stated about it, i looked it up on youtube and sure enought, it's Lois

I am always eagerly awaiting any episode that has both Lois and Clark in it, so of course i am definitely looking forward to Bride, but now that i see that they have an almost kiss, i'm even more eager. CLois fans unite! (the reason i say almost kiss is because there is no way we're gonna get a full on lip lock this early in the game. It would be nice. I'm betting either (if they're dancing) the song will end, someone will want to "step in", right as they're about to touch, or 3. doomsday attacks

[unfocused]

this whole thing, is hard to take.

tell me, how many of u crying watching this. i know i did.

and right after watching the epi, i run through everything i had on chlark, season 1-7 vid, songs, picture, just to remind me that they isnt really over, not like this. not like this.

Umm. It's hardly over. Clark is still her best man and her best friend. Allison Mack is signed on for a whole other season. So calm down and cheer up. She will still be here tomorrow and the day after.

[Ellsbury]

People are angry because it wasn't Chloe's choice, but do you really believe she could have said to Clark "go ahead erase everything, I don't wanna care about you anymore, you ruined my life!" She's a too good friend to do this.

Clark's decision is perfectly understandable, so I'm not mad at him, I worry more about all the plot holes that this mindwipe creates.

[unfocused]

Mindwipes don't just take memories away, they replace them with made-up memories that fill the voids left by the wipes. So there are no plotholes. Don't worry :)

[snarkycole]

I hated that Clark decided to erase Chloe's memories. Mainly because there are just too many things that happened in the last four years that happened in Chloe's life that were directly tied to her knowing Clark's powers. For instance, the only reason she realized that the Green Arrow was Oliver Queen was because she recognized Clark's powers when he pretended to be the Green Arrow then connected the dots back to Oliver. If she doesn't know Clark's powers, then she wouldn't have found out about the Green Arrow's real identity, wouldn't have gone to him when Bart was missing, and then wouldn't be the JL's Watchtower. There are many other things that happened in her life that were tied to knowing Clark's secret, and I agree with many other posters that there would be too many holes in her memory if every memory tied to Clark's secret was deleted. I understand TPTB's weird desire to fast-forward to the end mythos that certain die-hard Superman fans cling onto, especially if this is going to be the last season, but I personally don't think it's being written in a well-thought-out way.

Speaking of mythos...I seriously hate it when people play the mythos card. I think this show established in the first year that it wasn't really going to be following the mythos verbatim. To try to back up a point of view by saying "because that's how it is in the mythos..." then one would also have problems with the majority of ways Smallville has broken the mythos. For instance, the biggest problem one should have with the series, if one is so pro-mythos, is the fact that Lois and Jimmy (and of course Lex) know Clark in his pre-dual-identities days. What, one day Clark's going to start showing up to work with glasses and an "aw, shucks" bumbling reporter persona, and Lois and Jimmy aren't going to be scratching their heads when he has sudden shift in personality?...and then they won't be suspicious when this flying man in tights and a cape shows up looking like the Clark they remember from yesteryears but with an awesome curl in his hair? I wonder how Clark's going to mindwipe those guys before he decides to don the tights and cape to become Superman. Hey wait, maybe the curl has the superpower of distracting people from recognizing Clark's face, that would explain so much!

Anyway, it's just odd to me that one tries to explain something away by pointing to the mythos as its point of reference, but is willing to turn a blind eye at the even more outrageous ways Smallville has nixed the mythos (something silly, like, I dunno, bringing Doomsday in BEFORE Clark has evolved into Superman?). I respect the mythos...I understand that Clark becomes Superman, sans a sidekick, and Lois and Clark eventually fall in love and, in some versions of the mythos, get married. But at the same time, this is before all that plays out and is its own version of the story of how the man becomes the legend. This can be a version of the Superman mythos where Clark has a female best friend who knows his secret, and doesn't have to interfere with Lois eventually being his romantic partner who he later shares his secret with. These two facts can co-exist in this series because Smallville is not just an interpretation of the original mythos, but often times a divergence from it.

[27CDruid]

Technically Clark didnt erase her memories, Brainiac did. Clark was just selective on which would be reinstated.

Gotta say its nice to see PS3 has the balls to do something AlMiles was afraid of. Chloe seemed like a stumbling block in the story and she has been removed for the sake of the series. Good work and done beautifully. I would have preferred a hectic battle between Clark and Chloe resulting in her death but you cant have everything you want.

[unfocused]

I would have preferred a hectic battle between Clark and Chloe resulting in her death but you cant have everything you want.

:rotfl:

I agree, but without the death part, lolz.

[Cromartiefan]

The parameters of the procedure were that Chloe not remember anything about "Krypton or [Clark's] Abilities"

So she still knows about Oliver and the proto-JL, and her own powers, and she'll probably think she has to keep those secrets from Clark.

So how is Chloe any better off here? and I don't buy the "memories are created to fill the gaps" thing, it was specifically stated that all Jor-El was doing was translating the Kryptonian code back into her memories, not creating any new ones

[~*smallville_tv*~]

To be honest- I don't think the memory wipe has sank in. I don't know what to think about it but I guess it'll depend on the episodes that follow and Chloe's role.I do find it annoying though how Chloe's been really patient like lately- i.e. her mind wipe, victim to that wedding jeweller, her meteor abilities. It's like she's really vunerable.
I wonder whether the writers will use some continuity with this when Lana comes back.

[Kalista]

Well, I was pissed at first, but then I got to thinking about it. Brace yourselves:
I always thought the biggest plot hole in the Chlois theory was that Chloe knew Clark's secret, but now that she has been mind-wiped...get where I'm going with this? Yeah, Cloisers can throw tomatoes now. :) Either way, I think she'll learn his secret again, but HE will tell her.

IA

[CallMeClark]

Huge step-back for the entire series. I hope that they have a plan for re-inserting those memories later on.

[unex||den||adel]

Umm. It's hardly over. Clark is still her best man and her best friend. Allison Mack is signed on for a whole other season. So calm down and cheer up. She will still be here tomorrow and the day after.
i know , she even signed for season 9.

she will be, but it will not be the same. they are like strangers now. no more chloe clark advanture, no more snooping around, and waiting for clark to show up whenever she busted into some problems. it all vanished! :(

but, yeah, maybe im a little too much with this, so, thank u for the dose of pamper, it really sooth me a bit.:)

if chloe didnt know the secret, it will never be the same. But i believe chloe will be around not just for doing BFF, or perfect wife, she'll hooked up with something, AM's talent should not be waste.

And plus, the willingness of CW to pay her for whole season, even with higher rate that she demanded, that shows she IS, very important part of the show. :cool:

OK, now my mood back to normal. Gonna watch somemore.:p

[Dustmite]

I hate it.

[unex||den||adel]

I hate it.
i double hate it

[skully]

Meh, lots of anger in here about the mind-wipe. Ollie said Clark needed to sort it out to protect her, Clark himself knew the constant danger that Chloe knowing his secret put on her, and Chloe admitted that the amount of effort she put into protecting his secret was difficult.

This is Chloe, the very smart and ace sidekick. I have great faith that her smarts will allow her to get back to the pre-Abyss Chlark position by the end of the season. Even if she doesn't, her high curiosity and smartness will still be an asset to her BFF.

It gets things onto an even keel. Other superheroes (JLA) know his secret, mere mortals (other than Ma Kent) don't. Relax people.

Good job PS3.

[unex||den||adel]

^ so i guess, she will go back to be CHLOOGLE for clark. NOt cool.

[skully]

You are underselling Chloe's IQ. Even without Chloiac, she is a very smart chick. Pre-mid-S4 she was Clark's investigative sidekick. With the PC power of Isis, I don't see that changing.

[Doug&Julie]

Late to the discussion, sorry...

I have serious problems with this. My favorite character is no more. I vowed to watch it all to the end (or would that be to the beginning?), but this makes it very hard to do. If they stay with this, the show has officially "jumped the shark". ( http://www.jumptheshark.com/index.jspa )

[unex||den||adel]

You are underselling Chloe's IQ. Even without Chloiac, she is a very smart chick. Pre-mid-S4 she was Clark's investigative sidekick. With the PC power of Isis, I don't see that changing.
im not, i know how smart chloe is. And thats the reason she's my fav character of all time.

im running out of idea. so, thats all i gotta say.:rolleyes:

[nhl2k]

When I watched it, I thought in a way it was a "little" contrived so that they could make Clark buddy-buddy with Jor-el and show that he trusts him now and finally made a selfless decision that "father" agrees with. And of course, it shows that he's "moving on" like they've done with all the other characters (which IMO is better than killing Chloe off...I think that would have been tasteless). The reason I feel that way is like others have said, it's not knowing Clark's secret that's a danger...it's knowing HIM. It's why EVERYONE who knows him gets involved in bad situations (look at all the stuff Lana went through with being possessed, all without knowing his secret). I really think they should have emphasized that Chloe would live a "happier" life not knowing his secret as now she can move past feeling like she has to protect him and now she can live her life to the fullest with Jimmy. Now Clark doesn't have to watch Chloe lie to Jimmy every time something strange happens with Clark and she has to cover. IMO, THAT should have been what made his decision more than putting her in "danger." So even though it truly saddens me that their relationship is no longer the same, that's the way they want us to feel because he has truly lost the relationship he had with Chloe. I just have a problem with the reason they said he did it, although they've used this reason many times before in other situations.

[superpal1]

I cant believe how angry people are over this. Look at Clarks side for a minute. He is right in his belief that everyone who has know his secret has either gone crazy or been killed. Martha is the only one who has made it and even she has had some bad stuff happen to her in previous seasons. I think his justification for doing what he did is valid. He loves Chloe and wants to protect her. The scene in the Fortress before the mind wiping shows how much he cares for her. I also believe that she will eventually remember.

[costas22]

When you look at it from afar you say:"What's the big deal?In the movies Superman keeps mindwiping Lois".It is true but we are not talking about a 2 and a half hour movie here but for a 4 year long situation.That's why i don't believe that PS3 will keep Chloe like that.I have faith in them that in a few episodes time Chloe will remember everything about Clark's secret.

[FlashInSV]

Okay... that's like walking from Canada to NY and by the time you get there, you realise you've forgotten your keys and go all the way back to Canada to get them... What I mean with this strange metaphor is that they've taken a GIANT, rather dumb step back..

I liked the fact that Chloe was aware of his secret. True, I thought she was helping him a bitt too much for my liking, displaying super-intelligence Clark should already have on his own and getting him off rough spots..but that's a different story there, so let's not open that chapter. I don't find it necessary for her to forget all about Clark's abilities in order for the show to progress. She could have simply regained all of her memories and Clark would go on.. As far as the "She's-in-danger-if-she-knows-my-secret" argument, I just don't buy it anymore. I've had 7 years of it.

Even though she doesn't exist in the original Superman story (i.e. the comic books), I was a bit confused of Chloe's character at first but I loved her from the very first season. And every year, the writers find some way to mess this wonderful character up. I can't help but feel annoyed by that fact.

[Guidron]

I feel that they've taken a chunk of the friendship that Clark and Chloe had away, but at the same time I know and understand why Clark did it. I'm saddened by the fact that Clark will no longer have Chloe to confide in regarding his abilities and that he's now more alone than ever.

However, I think it showed a side of Clark that we needed to see. He was willing to sacrifice his own benefits for those of Chloe. Many will say that he overstepped his bounds, but knowing his secret has put Chloe into danger many times. Clark did what he felt was best to protect her.

I also wouldn't be surprised though, if at some point in the near future Chloe manages to either rediscover his secret, or starts regaining those lost memories.

[Animation]

I cant believe how angry people are over this. Look at Clarks side for a minute. He is right in his belief that everyone who has know his secret has either gone crazy or been killed.

Not at all. In fact, he just said the opposite last week. He told Kara that he always tried to protect people by not telling his secret to them, but by NOT telling Lois, that almost got her killed. Is he now going to mindwipe his mom? Lana? Pete? or about 70 meteor freaks over the last 8 years that know his secret but who are locked away?

The scene in the Fortress before the mind wiping shows how much he cares for her. I also believe that she will eventually remember.

It shows that he enjoys playing god and abusing his power, and then justifying it to himself while acting the martyr. Superman wouldn't resolve the problem in an immoral manner as was done in this episode, unless written that way by one of the comic book writers who play up his arrogant side too much.

Lewis

[ShelbyKent]

I'm not sure what to think about Clark's decision. I can understand him wanting Chloe to forget in order to protect her, but Chloe is already in way over her head. Making her forget is not going to get Brainiac to leave her alone at this point. Yeah, talk about closing the barn door when the horse has already galloped to the next town.

But I'm thinking the Fortress/Jor-el didn't do a thorough job with the mindwipe because it's been compromised by Brainiac, and Chloe would probably get back the memory later.

Besides, Chloe's mind would be too swiss cheesed if she forgot Clark's secret... it interlaps with way too many memories that relate to other characters!

[eas]

I thought about this long and hard & I think that there is only one reason they did this. For Lana Lang. If this is really about lining up to the mythos, then the only reason to do it is to have Lana step into her "iconic" role of being Clark's high school sweetheart; who knows his secret; and encourages him to go save the world. Up to this point, Chloe held that mantle much more than Lana. With Chloe's mind-wiped, it gives Lana the ability to step in the shoes of her iconic counter-parts very smoothly.

Works well for Lana's character... they'll probably use her 5 episode run to "salvage" her character and build it up so that Lana ends up Clark's BFF & his secret keeper. It helps him to end her run that way if Chloe is kind of "out of the way" -- because, really, what motivation would Clark have to make that much amends with Lana if Chloe is such a great BFF, already? The final scenes of this episode showed that Clark felt the loss of Chloe knowing his secret... it will be a relief and nice for him when Lana comes back & she knows.

[JDS2930]

I feel like the mindwipe presents such a huge plot hole. Erasing her knowledge of his secret isn't just one small bit of memory. Like this post says....that knowledge would have multiple other memories connected to it that would also need to be erased. This would surely leave an even larger gaping hole in Chloe's memory. And another post asked what about her role as the "watchtower?" If she doesn't know Clark's secret, she can't really serve as part of the Justice League team because it would be difficult to explain her knowing the secrets of the rest of the team members but not Clark. But again....would this be an example of a memory connected to Clark's secret that was also erased?

Also, I feel it's such a huge disservice to the character, the story, and the fans. Chloe's relationship with Clark has been built over the past four years on the knowledge of his secret and helping him out. I feel like it's such a major retcon wiping away four years worth of stories and character development like they never happened, and I hate it when that happens in a series...whether it be a comic or tv. It's like the Spider-Man "Brand New Day" or even the proposal that Grant Morrison had a few years back (at least I think it was him) to completely undo the Lois & Clark marriage in the comics and have Lois forget his identity again. You just can't "roll back the clock" like that. These things happened, and now they're a part of these characters' history and interaction with each other. To undo them just erases SO much.

I'm hoping this will only be temporary.

[redeem147]

I'd just like to point out that Clark didn't take away Chloe's memories, Brainiac did. Clark asked for a specific set of memories not to be put back, and Jor-el agreed.

Which just made me think of a loop-hole where Brainiac could be hiding in her. At first I thought this was a way to make Clark a little less known as a Superhero to so many characters. Now I'm thinking it's a plot-point,and not necessarily permanent.

[Bizarrolover]

I'm happy for her. Chloe put her life on hold for four years because of Clark and his secret. Maybe now she'll be able to live her own life, not his,

[Super Maverick]

Didn't see that coming.

[ZODisGOD]

IMO, this is a significant leap forward for Superman. It's a Superman show, not a Superman & Chloe show. If Chloe gets her memories back, this episode would seem pointless since things would return to whatever it was before this episode minus the Brainiac. Besides, this could advance the "double identity" arc of this season. Chloe can be in any dangerous situation and be saved by Kal-El, but only that Chloe won't know it's "Clark."

[MozartRequiem]

I think that what Clark did took an amazing amount of courage and sacrifice, worthy of our future Superman. I'm not sure it was the right move, but I understand why he did it.

As far as Chloe's connection with Clark is concerned, I wouldn't worry. Chloe knowing Clark's secret has been a HUGE aspect of the show and a big part of why half of the fans have continued watching, so I don't think they'd just strip that away. Right now it seems that way,but I'm sure things will return to normal soon, and it will just strengthen their relationship that much more for Chloe to know what Clark was willing to sacrifice for her.

[Billy Jor-El]

There are so many posts to this thread (and rightfully so) that forgive if I echo another sentiment, as I'm getting in late here (already over 200 posts).

I can't see it taking long for others to notice something's still weird about Chloe. She will look at, and perceive Clark in a totally different way....somethin's up with her! How will that be explained to their satisfaction....

I am hoping that Clark realizes soon that he needs Chloe, whole and complete; that he realizes she knew something about Doomsday he needs to know, and the only way for him to protect others is to stop messing with Chloe's mind...literally...and have her regain the full scope of their relationship over the past 4 years.

I also hope PS3 are smarter than just a memory wipe and leaving it at that. It has degraded the show and a beautiful character.

[kanetaker5566]

What if chloe is just going along with clarks idea. At the end there are the lines about it being a 2 hour drive and Clark can't set up all those tables by himself so maybe she still knows.

[scifigirl]

My husband made a valid point. After Identity I stated that I didn't see where this show had to go plot wise. When he saw the Chloe mindwipe scene he said, "You see. They changed it up. And you wondered where they could go from here." Although I think that in some ways Clark did Chloe a kindness and I understand Clark's reasoning behind the mindwipe, I do not think he was right to do what he did. That is why think that this was actually a good move. It opens up story lines. What are the ramifications moral and otherwise from this choice for Clark? Is this permanent? I am not devastated. I am curious as heck to see where this goes.

[kris10]

So you'd rather see the character in constant danger? I don't get it. Clark is only protecting her. Her not knowing the secret helps her. She's still his friend, hell best friend even. I think it's perfectly fine she doesn't know.

ANYONE who is Clark's friend is in danger regardless of whether they know the secret or not...

[Ilidan]

She'll discover it again in an equally shocking way.

Does noone remember how determined Chloe was to find out his secret originally?
That was one of my favourite parts of early Smallville - watching Chloe looking into Clark's past to find the truth, and Clark making up really lame excuses.

[Bizarrolover]

She'll discover it again in an equally shocking way.

Does noone remember how determined Chloe was to find out his secret originally?
That was one of my favourite parts of early Smallville - watching Chloe looking into Clark's past to find the truth, and Clark making up really lame excuses.


No, it didn't happen that way. Clark and Chloe agreed that she would stop digging into his past. He admitted that he was different (his actual words were 'there are things about me that will never add up' and she promised she would stop investigating. They made the decision TOGETHER. I think it was in season 3, after Whisper, when they had that major fight about Lionel. Alicia was the one who betrayed Clark and introduced Chloe to his secret.

[eas]

I'd just like to point out that Clark didn't take away Chloe's memories, Brainiac did. Clark asked for a specific set of memories not to be put back, and Jor-el agreed.

I think that's arguing semantics. It's the same deal: Clark chose what she could remember and what she couldn't. It was in his power to restore ALL her memories and he didn't.

[DontCha]

This in no way makes the last 4 years a waste. When Dawn was introduced into buffy as her little sister after 4 years? It didnt make the past 4 years pointless, it just meant that one thing was different in the memory of the characters

Im sorry but peeps can scream bad writing all they want but its not the FIRST time this technique has been used in movies, books and even in TV shows and it worked perfectly fine.

[eas]

She'll discover it again in an equally shocking way.

Does noone remember how determined Chloe was to find out his secret originally?
That was one of my favourite parts of early Smallville - watching Chloe looking into Clark's past to find the truth, and Clark making up really lame excuses.

She's a different person, though.

I mean -- we'll have to wait and see how the 2nd half plays out. But, as of right now, she's a person who is very much free of the burden of wondering anything about him. She's focused on Jimmy and her future with Jimmy.

She's also no longer a reporter and Clark is no longer working with her and seeing her everyday. If he steps back from her and creats a bit of a distance from her, then she has no reason to start investigating him.

----- Added 51 Seconds later -----

This in no way makes the last 4 years a waste. When Dawn was introduced into buffy as her little sister after 4 years? It didnt make the past 4 years pointless, it just meant that one thing was different in the memory of the characters

Im sorry but peeps can scream bad writing all they want but its not the FIRST time this technique has been used in movies, books and even in TV shows and it worked perfectly fine.

Very true. But - in that example - Dawn is still one of the most hated characters from "BVS" and a lot of people still think Whedon shouldn't have done that.

I'm just sayin.... ;)

And as far as it being a waste. As folks just POINTEDLY reminded me all week: The show is ONLY about Clark Kent. As long as Clark remembers everything and it didn't affect HIS development in any way, it shouldn't matter, right? I mean, it's all about CLARK and how "supporting" characters are affected shouldn't matter.... they should not be the focus and their existence should only serve to further Clark's plot.

If that attitude works with Lois, then it should work with Chloe, too. It shouldn't matter that this negatively impacts Chloe's character development, as long Clark is not affected.

[MozartRequiem]

"Actually this whole "memory erase" doesn't and can't make sense. It creates too many plotholes or "memory-holes". Clark's secret is inextricably tied to too many other memories. Chloe can't work for JLA anymore because that is linked to Clark's secret. Wiping this memory should wipe memories of pretty much everything. I don't know how this works. Does she just have huge gaps in her memory now? I really don't see how this could logically work. I guess she doesn't know Brainiac either now."

I was thinking this too, and I'm pretty sure this will be Chloe's major plotline this season (purely out of speculation though). It's like when Lex had his memories wiped in season three, only WAY more drastic. Chloe will undoubtedly be frustrated and as an investigative reporter, want to find the answers. And as far as Braniac is concerned, although Clark was trying to keep Chloe OUT of danger, I think this may just put her into MORE danger-what if Braniac approaches her, and because she has no memories of anything about Clark's secret, she's forgotten who he is. She trusts him. And then she's nearly killed. I think THAT would be a great way for Clark to learn an important lesson about his secret, a lesson that will apply to Lois in the future: NOT everyone who learns his secret is doomed, but on the contrary; sometimes they are better off knowing his secret. With that knowledge, Clark will somehow restore Chloe's memories. But there will be a rift between the two because Chloe will be upset with Clark for playing God like that. Eventually, she'll realize why he did it and the huge sacrifice he was making, and the two will return full-circle, but closer than ever. This intense closeness will not sit well with Jimmy, and eventually he and Chloe will divorce, leaving Jimmy the single guy we know he will be, according to the mythos.

That's how I'd have it go down at least. ;)

[BIGBLUE1]

o so chloe losing her memory of clark .m love it. sorry you chlark fans but shes not superman mythos but she has played such a big part in clarks life its was very said to see her memories go. but really this is a big step for clark now. first he did not want anyone to know .. then people found out and most of them died...now that he's gone thru the transitions im pretty sure he regrets it but it was a biger decision to let her live her own life.. remember apocolypse .. yea i saw in his face there that with chloe being happy is all that mattered to clark . all in all a great episode

[DontCha]

eas she was one of the worst characters in the series but my point was it didnt make the 4 years previously pointless. You can still watch them and they are relevant

[JDS2930]

"Actually this whole "memory erase" doesn't and can't make sense. It creates too many plotholes or "memory-holes". Clark's secret is inextricably tied to too many other memories. Chloe can't work for JLA anymore because that is linked to Clark's secret. Wiping this memory should wipe memories of pretty much everything. I don't know how this works. Does she just have huge gaps in her memory now? I really don't see how this could logically work. I guess she doesn't know Brainiac either now."

Precisely my point. This wasn't just one little memory not being restored. It was one memory that is tied to SO many others. There can't NOT be gaping holes in her memory now.

My husband made a valid point. After Identity I stated that I didn't see where this show had to go plot wise. When he saw the Chloe mindwipe scene he said, "You see. They changed it up. And you wondered where they could go from here." Although I think that in some ways Clark did Chloe a kindness and I understand Clark's reasoning behind the mindwipe, I do not think he was right to do what he did. That is why think that this was actually a good move. It opens up story lines. What are the ramifications moral and otherwise from this choice for Clark? Is this permanent? I am not devastated. I am curious as heck to see where this goes.

This is a good point too. And if this is the direction this plot move was opening up, then I am okay with it (provided it still ends up with her memories restored). It does open up so many moral/ethical questions for Clark to deal with now.

Im sorry but peeps can scream bad writing all they want but its not the FIRST time this technique has been used in movies, books and even in TV shows and it worked perfectly fine.

Exactly...and as I said earlier I think this kind of plot point is always a disservice to the characters, story, and fans. Spider-Man fans have all been in an uproar about Peter Parker's and Mary Jane's marriage being undone and his secret identity being forgotten by everyone. I believe a similar proposal to do the same thing to Superman and Lois in the comics was also part of a falling out that Grant Morrison (and/or some other writers) and DC Comics had for awhile. Thank God DC didn't approve that proposal, too!! Even going back to 1985 and DC's CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS completely erasing the DC comics multiverse and all the history that went along with it...like it never happened. I think it's just really hard for fans to swallow that kind of thing because while the characters are able to simply not remember, the fans can't just pretend that stuff didn't happen.

With that said, if this is only temporary to now open up the plot to have Clark deal with all the clear ethical/moral implications and ultimately Chloe's memory being restored, then I can see the valid point of such a move.

[Legendary Lois & Clark]

I was hoping they'd have the guts to go through with this and I applaud the PS3 for making such a bold move.
I absolutely love it! Clark will have to depend on his JLA friends now (he'll no doubt clue Oliver into Chloe's now normal life). I don't see her regaining her memories of Clark or discovering his secret anytime soon (if ever), otherwise it would render the whole act of leaving her mind wiped completely pointless.
Clark proved that he truly cares for Chloe and her life by making this tough decision. It's definitely the right one though. She's in enough danger as it is with Doomsday having the hots for her. Clark will have to do almost all of his own research now as well and that's an awesome step in the right direction. Too many people were learning Clark's secret anyway. Now only Lana knows the secret, but she ain't hanging around too long.

[Storm45]

I'm pretty sure this will be Chloe's major plotline this season (purely out of speculation though). It's like when Lex had his memories wiped in season three, only WAY more drastic. Chloe will undoubtedly be frustrated and as an investigative reporter, want to find the answers.

Also, Lex eventually rediscovered Clark's secret. Like he said ''There's nothing lost that can't be found again''.

While she doesn't remember Clark's secret I hope she'llbe back into her old self again. I do think her character changed for the worst ever since she discovered Clark secret.

[Legendary Lois & Clark]

I don't think it will happen if the show is not renewed for another season. If there is not a season nine she'll never regain her knowledge of Clark's secret. This is a pretty bold move for it to be over in just an episode or two. This is gonna last a while. There's an excellent chance she might never learn of his powers again (except when she reads reports or the mysterious red and blue blur).
I think it's great we have Clark on his own more. This season just got ten times better!

[Isabel14]

I Don't know why are you so upset. I don't think it's like they erased 4 yearss from Chloe's life, the difference is that she now doesn't know about Clark's powers, but I'm sure she remebers all the other things, otherwise it would have been like at the begginings, but I saw that they are still great friends.

[kris10]

i am sorry I understand that a lot of fans are "mythos" fans and I actually have read the comics and i enjoy that but stating that she shouldnt know the secret due to mythos i dont agree with and the reason is that Lex isnt supposed to know clark in smallville(except for superboy series in 60's) and sorry Clois fans Lois isnt supposed to know him either and especially in smallville. Lana is supposed to be the secret keeper and not him pining after her for all those years either. so if you negate one character just b/c of the mythos then sorry then you negate all the characters....
oh i forgot Jimmy too cus technically he would be MUCH younger...as well whoops..

oh yea green arrow too....

[Timester]

The only conclusion I got from Abyss is that PS3 have huge brass balls. For how many years we asked for some courage from AlMiles? This episode shows courage.

Now, let the plot continue its course, we are still on the 9th episode and is obvious is not finished here.

[Storm45]

That's what I don't understand. Chloe knowing the secret is a huge mistake against the mythos because...?
How about how Lois, Jimmy and even Perry won't make the connection between Clark and Superman? According to SV the only difference between Clark and Superman is the form fitting costume and cape. How about Lex Luthor knowing who Clark is? :rolleyes:

Its, IMO, a lot much harder to fit all this with the mythos than a non-canon character knowing the secret as it doesn't change Superman's story and his ''iconic'' (Ugh, hate that I have to say this oft-repeated word) relationships dynamic in the comic books.

I did not really liked that Chloe knew the secret but it had more to do with characterizations than the mythos.

[AChloeChick]

As a long time SV fan and a Chloe fan, I feel like I was mindraped. It cuts and it cuts deeply. I only have dread for next week (other than Doomsday) and I fear what the rest of the season holds for Chloe.

[jimmyolsenblues]

it possible she could get them back right?

[last man of krypton]

it possible she could get them back right?

In theory, anything's possible. Personally, I'm hoping she either doesn't get them back, or at least, it's a long time until she does. Simply because this episode would've been merely filler if what happened to her is undone by next week.

[Storm45]

As a long time SV fan and a Chloe fan, I feel like I was mindraped. It cuts and it cuts deeply. I only have dread for next week (other than Doomsday) and I fear what the rest of the season holds for Chloe.

Its a wait and see for me. I'm a long-time Chloe fan too, but I think I'm one of the few who prefered her before season 4. I hope she gets back to her old self before she was consummed by all things related to Clark and his secret. When she had other preoccupations than being Clark's good sidekick. When she had her own motivations, storylines and character.

At the same time I hope they won't let Chloe fade away in the background because they don't know what to do with her other than being Mrs. Olsen.

[Nuberman]

Apparently I'm one of the only people happy about this. For years everyone has been complaining that Clark needs to grow up/embrace his destiny/etc. This is a huge step for him to take. He just stepped out on a ledge where he is the only person. I like it. It shows the writers aren't afraid to do what it takes to make sure Clark embraces his destiny.

With all the self loathing and pity parties Clark has thrown himself the last few years, they need to take steps like this to show us that he is changing. You can't just go from Clark is an emo alien to Clark is Superman without him making tangible steps towards it. This is one of those. Chloe the sidekick who he seemed to not be able to get by without is no more.

Its a GREAT move by the writers. Its gutsy, its smart, its GOOD writing because it is part of a progression that will become more believable at the end.

[Kalista]

In theory, anything's possible. Personally, I'm hoping she either doesn't get them back, or at least, it's a long time until she does. Simply because this episode would've been merely filler if what happened to her is undone by next week.

Clark rebuilt the FOS, Brainiac seems to have gain control of it, Superman and Doomsday symbols are flashing all over the place in this episode...

How is that filler?

[AChloeChick]

Its a wait and see for me. I'm a long-time Chloe fan too, but I think I'm one of the few who prefered her before season 4. I hope she gets back to her old self before she was consummed by all things related to Clark and his secret. When she had other preoccupations than being Clark's good sidekick. When she had her own motivations, storylines and character.

At the same time I hope they won't let Chloe fade away in the background because they don't know what to do with her other than being Mrs. Olsen.

Just the thought of her being reduced to Jimmy's bride sickens me to no end. If that marriage sticks, I will not be able to finish out the season. Sorry, I just can't.

I've loved Chloe from the start, with or without knowing Clark's secret. However, PS3 have just about taken everything away from her and she's no longer the Chloe I've adored all these years.

[SandyV]

I have been a fan of Chloe since the end of Season 1 and I started crying when Chloe did not recognize names Kal-El and Krypton. I laughed when the name Brainiac evoked for her a school girl nickname, but it also showed how much she lost. This was so upsetting for me that I did not sleep well last night and my stomach is still recovering from the stress.
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Like others have said before, I think Clark has regressed back into the martyr complex. He convinced himself that this is for the greater good, that it will get Chloe out of harm’s way. She is already in harms way, and by keeping her memories from her, she has less tools to survive than before.
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I think he has a vision of Chloe like in Apocalypse, where she seemed happier and less stressed without his secret. In the last scene with Clark, Jimmy and her, she did seem less torn between them. She is not the same person without those memories.
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If Chloe gets her memories back, it should not return to the status quo of before. Chloe should be upset with <ST1:pClark for playing god without her input and against wishes that she has clearly expressed. I am not sure how many people watch Heroes, but the last episode had a villain modifying memories for his own means. This could be a slippery slope for <ST1:pClark if there are no consequences.
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I think that she should get her memories back and this breach of trust starts them drifting apart from each other. I know that they are lining Smallville up with the rest of the Superman lore. This way Chloe stays the beautiful character that we have watched grow and Lois is free to become close to Clark. I would like to see a world where Chloe could be in on the secret with Lois and both of them bust <ST1:pClark’s chops.
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I am worried that the mind loss is permanent, but hoping that it is not.